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2nd May 2019, 09:12 PM | #121 |
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The thing is, you have been cheering hitting 'nazis' with eggs from the beginning of this thread, but pooh-poohing punches. I am arguing that there is no important difference. Dickless Spencer wasn't even bruised with the pop he got. I laughed like hell. Replayed the video set to Hollaback Girl. But it is not okay, as you do, to endorse egg-pelting as fine and dandy. Just like I won't endorse blindside punching on the street, much as I would like to.
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2nd May 2019, 09:12 PM | #122 |
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This is an interesting take on this kind of protest.
that lad throwing a milkshake over tommy robinson has done exponentially more to 'challenge his views' than the procession of bbc presenters getting him on prime time telly and going "hmm, that's interesting robinson, what makes you say that? please elaborate further"https://twitter.com/tristandross/sta...479042568?s=21 |
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Well, sorry you feel that way, but I don't share your opinion. I think you're wrong, but I don't think you're a bad person or being dishonest on account of disagreeing with me, because this kind of thing is a subjective judgment call and people will make different calls. I think a punch has vastly more and far easier potential to result in pain or injury than an egging. I think someone can responsibly approach an egging and quite handily realize a goal of no pain and injury; whereas with a punch, pain is the entire point. I believe this fact alone makes a substantial enough difference between the two that I have to object to being labeled "dishonest" for saying so.
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Agreed, it's a waste of time to try to debate these clowns. but any kind of assault goes uncontrolled fast, so it's not something we should be championing. some posters here have a fantasy of a little egg cracking, the nazi slumping his shoulders with that 'wah...wah...waaaaaahhhh' music playing, and a good laugh is had by all. These vids show the egg recipients squaring off. And that's more likely- an escalation started by an eggy edgelord. Not good stuff.
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The risk you take when dealing with nasty and frequently unstable white supremacists. If you are doing it while the news cameras are rolling, as was the case with Fraser Anning, perhaps that is fair risk mitigation? I am all for risk mitigation in these cases while retaining the humiliation value.
ETA: Does the removal of the hard egg and associated risks make this acceptable, retaliation asside? |
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Ok, fair enough. There is a qualitative difference in a punch that makes it exponentially more likely to be damaging than an egg. I think we can agree on that? Punch much less excusable than a non-intense egging.
The difference, though, is in degree. Endorsing assault, petty though it may be, is a dicey position to hold. I'll withdraw dishonest as a descriptor, though. The videos we've seen haven't ended with the eggs. They chased the attackers down. Endorsing the egging is endorsing what will likely follow, and that is where we have to part ways. |
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If for any reason you thought a hateful bigoted piece of trash should not have gotten harmlessly egged, please, please, place me on ignoring. I don't wish to ever speak with you or see anything else you have to say.
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Tricky to answer with a straight yes or no, but generally yes. Ridicule and humiliation are perfect approaches. These guys hate to be made fools of, as you said. The trick is to do it without stepping over the legal line and becoming the instigator. Also, a few more eggs and the nazi boys will be packing eggs or worse. Gets a little gray regarding who provoked that kind of escalation.
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And once again we see the "skeptics" crying their crocodile tears because some nazi crapstain had an egg or a milkshake thrown at them for advocating genocide.
I hope you are proud of yourselves. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? |
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Hey guys, you remember how in the 1930's the jews sat down with the nazis and worked everything out through "civil debate"? And how well that went?
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All the egging vids were essentially sucker punching...er, sucker egging. Blindsided. Which is okay in context I guess. No need to slap a glove to the face.
I guess what ultimately worries me is: what happens when the first young guy who thinks these egg vids are super cool tries it on the wrong guy. We can all see how bad that could go. So should we be cheering it now, or saying 'yeah, it was funny, but come on, guys'? |
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How does one do a Reverse Slippery Slope? (You do realize that the egg incident is a year and a half before the NYC incident, right?) I'm sure those dastardly 2017 eggers were inspired by the 2019 nazi pelters.
Egging has been going on for decades, if not centuries. That doesn't excuse it, necessarily, but playing the slippery slope fallacy is right up there with homos leading to bestiality, marijuana leading to heroin and lettin' darkies in the school and pretty soon they'll be wantin' to marry your sister. |
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Yes, the element of surprise is necessary. Lets not keep dressing it up in this street conflict or honour defence language however.
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But it's gaining popularity lately. No one is checking the video date of submission. People see the yuk value, and ape it for their own vid, and if they choose their targets poorly, there is a whole 'nuther kind of news story headlining. Not the kind of thing we should be cheering.
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The law should not apply to nazis. We finished that "debate" in 1945, and they lost.
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Since it was mentioned earlier, the simulated-egg-cracking game was bugging me.
This seems to be the same, or nearly the same, as the "weird chanting game" I remembered. I am surprised to find out this is still a thing; and I also did not recall that the alleged purpose of the game was to "predict how you will die". Kids are into some bizarre stuff. |
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