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2nd May 2019, 11:03 PM | #161 |
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No, they haven't. They have not been openly in charge of a country for over a half century. But the ideology has existed continuously. Surely you don't think it was completely extinct until some random loser opened a book about Hitler one day and said "hey that sounds cool".
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I am assuming the person in the video does identify as a Nazi. That means he wants me to be rounded up and killed along with millions of my fellow citizens. There is no getting around that. Personally I do not understand why people advocating for millions of their fellow citizens to be killed are allowed to do so. Inciting murder of millions of your fellow citizens should always be illegal.
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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3rd May 2019, 12:40 AM | #171 |
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I think you mis-spelled "Oops, you're right the incident that I stated was inspired by this Nazegging was actually long before it. My bad."
You can't argue the slippery slope about events that have already happened. That'd be like the Antifa side arguing that we need to stand up to the skinheads and right wing because if we don't, pretty soon Germany will be annexing the Sudetenland. |
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To fight Nazis and all other forms of totalitarian Big Truth, it would be nice to have a clear understanding of how to derive democracy* and human rights from first principles. Essentially, how to replace the Declaration of Independence with something a tad more substantial and that does not depend on the epically lame concept of "natural rights", which dangerously backdoors absolutist argument.
Because any such derivation would not represent absolute truths, rather, reasoned argument that can be subscribed to by a given community or nation, it will be comprised of logic representing how to place those principles into practice in the form of governance and law. This means there are ample opportunities for identifying those creeds, ideologies, and practices that directly oppose, undermine or contradict principles, law, and good practice. Including Nazis and strutting Theists. However, today's discourse mostly relies on fuzzy notions coming from the Utopian Freedom Gospel (neofeudalism in friendly guise), such that any sort of initial argument is immediately pelted by alt-right crazies as being against "liberty", or by extreme left weirdos who think fair rules must result in uniform outcomes, their very own Utopian Equality Gospel. If you wish to take down that sort of nonsense, you need to go beyond one-liners and declarations signalling virtue and publicly stick your neck out. A simple, basic approach would already provide immediate answers to those claiming women or minorities are not equal on some measure, real or imagined. Ditto for understanding that those things which directly contradict foundational logic are, gosh, incompatible with it. Even democracy, especially democracy, must have clear boundaries and an agreed playing field. It is patently absurd to assert that "all ideas are, like, cool man" as would the falsely Virtuous Left, or that "my freedoms are God-given and can only be understood my way," as does the salivating Rabid Right. But!! Get your work right, and you may yet strangely find few agree with you, especially in the much-vaunted West. The dark secret all these years? Democracy is popularly sought when it can be seen as key to greater prosperity, not so much when it is perceived to stand in the way of the wealth or well-being of a community: I give you the Republican Party. The shocking lessons coming home this century are that Christians are Satanists, and "freedom fighters" wish to be able to kill freely and sack all that is not tied down. Meaning, those who do subscribe to democracy and human rights have decades of propaganda and loose thinking to overcome. At this juncture, the Anglo Saxon world is almost drowned in its own self-serving crap, and no one else seems to be up to the task. Meanwhile, great strides are being taken by totalitarians to their great advantage. We are witnessing the end of an experiment at a time at which the means to suppress anything resembling democracy are vast and powerful. Perhaps a tad more effort would be a good idea. *And, of course, republics, one form of democracy, so alt-righters: buzz off with those lame, grade school objections and "concepts". Got your number. |
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You are responding to me sure in the knowledge that I'm condoning Nazis and hate speech, and all the while I'm failing to acknowledge the emotional suffering that many may suffer from somebody espousing Nazi views. That would be strong position to argue from if you hadn't completely made it all up. How could you possibly arrive at those conclusions from what I wrote?
Can I attempt to clarify things? I'm interested to know why you and others herein condone violence against those who hold different views to you? It seems that you, in particular, have some sort of scale in play, based on how extreme those views are. Does that sound right? An egg or two and the theft of personal property is in order. Does that sound right too? You're not too happy about physical violence so that's a plus, although you don't outright condemn it At what point does the egg and theft come in to play? Is it right off the bat or maybe after some discourse? Do you up the anti until the other person changes their opinion to something more agreeable? I've no time for politics of any colour and can't see the difference, for example, between antifa and nazi's. I will admit to a very naive view of the politcal spectrum, so perhaps I'm not your target audience. I did notice some pretty tough "speaking" in your response to me; should I expect a literal egging or is it a literal punch in the chops as you try to educate me? |
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Theft of his personal belongings? Are we talking about his Nazi flag?
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They need to be driven off the streets.
Battle of Cable Street. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street Which side would you be on? |
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The guy who was walking along the road with his two year old daughter in the news piece that was linked? You're glad he was hurt? You saw him dressed in Nazi regalia in that report?
I think in your rush to show everybody how you feel you didn't even click that link. I'm right, aren't I? |
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Yes because if we had followed his advice we would have won WW2 so much more easily.
From his letter to 'Every Briton' in 1940 "I want you to fight Nazism without arms, or, if I am to retain the military terminology, with non-violent arms.' I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. " |
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How well would his tactics have worked if it was the Nazi's he was using them against?
He would have been a dead man as would his followers. |
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Is it? What point are you trying to make? You asked me for clarification and I gave it to you.
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Ahhh “hate” plus “speech” must mean hating stuff I guess? No, that is sarcasm too. Google the term and get up to speed.
The rise of white supremacy, xenophobia and Islamophobia is a concern to me, but I would not mistake swear words directed at Nazis as a loss of emotional control. Thanks for the concern though. |
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I don't need to google the term since I'm familiar with it. You on the other hand....
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I don't think you are.
I believe in avoiding unnecessary violence. I don't think it's necessary to assault nazis who are exercising speech rights. One reason I don't think it's necessary is because I don't think these actions accomplish anything positive. If it doesn't accomplish anything positive, it's not necessary. However if you (the general you) think it is necessary to assault nazis in these sort of situations, minimally I expect you to concurrently be taking certain actions so that it wouldn't be necessary. You should be committed to advocacy for new laws* that make it illegal to espouse nazi ideology. If you are not a committed advocate for such laws, and yet you advocate this sort of violent act, I tend to think you're more about visceral pleasure and vigilantism than accomplishing anything positive. I don't respect that. * Preemptively, I don't advocate for such laws |
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That's where you are wrong. The fact that their views are extreme, if not outright murderous, doesn't excuse using violence against those that hold such views. If they start to enact their views then it's quite likely violence would be an acceptable response.
Seriously, don't ******* hurt people or use violence unless you absolutely have too. Is that so god damn difficult for people to understand? It's exactly in these kinds of situations that peoples masks start to slip and they begin revealing what they really want. |
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To be fair some people aren't overly concerned about hiding their feelings and are openly and without shame, advocating for violence. They are arguing that such proposed violence is not simply for the sake of it but for some higher public good but I'm not convinced.
I suppose the Nazi's can take solace in the fact that a bunch of internet twerps are getting roused up fer fightin'...... sometime.....maybe. As I said earlier, they should keep up the good work. |
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