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3rd May 2019, 11:56 AM | #241 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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3rd May 2019, 12:05 PM | #244 |
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In regards to egging someone. Egging someone is assault, albeit a low grade of assault but it shouldn't be condoned and should be treated like other low grade assault. I really don't see that changes whether it is a Nazi or antifa being egged.
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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3rd May 2019, 12:09 PM | #245 |
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If you think you have a better solution or response, feel free to engage in it - I wish you the best of luck. The world of solutions is not divided however into "the absolute best solution" and "everything else, which on account of not being the absolute best solution must never be used".
You think a Nazi being provoked enough to come out swinging is a reasonable, or if not reasonable, at least such a predictable consequence of someone egging the Nazi that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect that to happen in response, yes? I think a member of the public being provoked enough to egg the Nazi (or pick up his dropped flag and rip it up) is a reasonable, or at least such a predictable consequence of someone espousing Nazi ideology and propaganda in public that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect things like that to happen in response. Maybe you are failing to understand, or fully appreciate, just how especially risible Nazi/white nationalistideology in particular is to the public's conscience. The way people in this thread - and other threads - continue to characterize it as a matter of "leftists" simply "reacting to a different viewpoint" seems to indicate this - as if someone who would "violently" egg a Nazi would do the same thing to someone who disagreed with them on pizza toppings, or whether the dress is white or blue, and Nazi ideology itself was no more invalid or harmful ir particularly deserving of universal rejection than an alternative opinion about these topics. |
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As I've said before if someone is so stupid they identify themself as a Nazi but aren't, well it's rare we allow stupidity to be an acceptable excuse for breaking the law and if they are that stupid we are probably better with them off the street anyway! (I believe advocating for millions of your fellow citizens to be killed and so on should be illegal, it's incitement to murder.)
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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3rd May 2019, 12:22 PM | #248 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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3rd May 2019, 12:45 PM | #251 |
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I would never punch or throw eggs at somebody who I think is really dangerous. Those are really stupid moves. If I really think that they are really dangerous I will not go near them.
If I don't truly regard them as dangerous then I might egg them. I don't think that these people punching, milkshaking and egging the Nazis are doing it because they regard them as actually dangerous - rather instead because they hate them. A hate assault without fear - fear that would occur if there was real danger. |
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3rd May 2019, 02:39 PM | #257 |
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So far as I'm aware, only the Nazi/white-nationalist set freely engages in this kind of posturing in the public square to the same degree. So I'm okay specially singling them out for this kind of treatment. I have not known any Islamic extremists to stand on a street corner in a major city like New York proclaiming that all the infidels need to be exterminated. There are internet websites and private meetings where some doubtless espouse these things; but those by their nature are fairly safe from the wrath of the Ovoid Menace. When nazi/white nationalists used to limit themselves to these same venues of self-expression, they likewise never had to live in fear of the beautifully subtle, almost inaudible crackling of fragile, contact-compacted eggshell and the resultant slimy coat of albumen and cheerfully-sunlike yolk oozing its way down their hair and garments. It really is a fairly foolproof defense; perhaps it would be best for them to once again retreat to those protective ramparts and own the libs by thus rendering themselves "un-eggable".
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Sarcastically says the guy who doesn't think throwing eggs at people is violence, and who doesn't think that attacking people and taking their stuff is robbery. I'm not going to take your word, that you have any scruples about shifting your definition of "nazi" to suit your inclination to political violence.
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FWIW, the person who picked up the abandoned flag and ripped it up, is not the same person who threw the egg. There's no evidence in the video that the person who picked up the flag ever touched or even made an aggressive move toward the Nazi before doing so. If you want to assert he was coordinating his actions somehow with the egg thrower by virtue of being there at the same time and also not liking the Nazi, that sounds like the beginnings of a conspiracy theory.
Well sadly, I can't do anything about this. If you must assume the worst of me because I - evidently unfairly - assume the worst of a man wearing a Nazi iconography, that's certainly your prerogative. |
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“Racism is bad, but splashing a milkshake on somebody is just as bad, if not worse.”
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3rd May 2019, 03:51 PM | #266 |
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See post #264. But you just said you were unwilling to "take my word", so I'm not sure it will make a difference in the end.
I seem to recall in another thread, when people again were talking about maltreating Nazis (banning them from social media, I think), you explicitly called them liars and asserted they would want the same of absolutely anyone else they also disagreed with, no matter what they said. |
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To make a justification omelette you got to crack a few eggs.
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Hahhaha. No that’s Brian Limond - Comedian and troll/satirist.
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The Nazi is expected to wear this yolk of tyranny?
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Perhaps this was common knowledge to everyone already; but I've just been informed that that incident was actually the second time in as many days that Robinson was doused with milkshake. This clip from the day before shows a second hero meting out some malty justice:
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How do you work that out?
Throwing any object at some ones head is an act of violence. It might be an act of violence that is extremely unlikely to cause injury (though there have been rare cases where it has), but it is still an act of violence. According to the the WHO you can commit violence verbally |
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Well....okay. I condone specifically and exclusively non-injurious, egg-based violence against Nazis.
And milkshake-based. Call me an ovo-lacto dove. |
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Being a Nazi is bad.
Egging people is also bad. If I had to rank the two, I think being a Nazi is worse than being the person who eggs the Nazi. But being less bad than a Nazi is a pretty low bar and doesn't make assaulting someone with eggs an act of good. Of course, while critical of the egger, I won't shed any tears for the Nazi. |
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Your constant harping on this "No True Nazi" nonsense would actually be laughable at this point, if it wasn't a tactic straight out of the Daily Stormer propaganda guide. Since you're stuck on this "the only Nazis were card-carrying party members in post-Weimar Germany," please to be explaining how many of those were actively and knowingly involved in "gassing" Jews and other "undesirables". I'll wait. By your standard, there have only ever been a few hundred Nazis, ever, regardless of how many proudly wore the label and promoted the ideology. |
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We go through this every time! Can we (the pro-eggers) agree that it's at least "Assault Light"?
My contention on civil disobedience applies here. You do the crime, be prepared to do the time. When we were out disrupting traffic and trying to block entry to Fort Dix, the draft board, ROTC or whatnot, we were all prepared to get busted. If it's important to you, you put your body on the line (to be overly dramatic). Egg-throwers tend to wind up getting the crap beat out of them in larger groups of Nazis. The not-so-gentle hand of the NYPD or federal marshalls is far preferable to a group-stomping by angry right wingers, believe me! |
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If you display the Nazi swastika you tacitly approve of mass murder and extermination.
You deserve prison or exile, let alone being egged or cold-cocked. That's beyond white nationalism or even white supremacy. |
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