[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 70

Emre_1974tr · 26th April 2023, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Do you live in Bursa? Last I heard, you lived in Zeytinli, near Akcay. Have you moved house?
.

No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up.

Gulliver Foyle · 26th April 2023, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you.

I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

Found any evidence for your fantastical claims yet?

Leumas · 26th April 2023, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

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I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

acbytesla · 26th April 2023, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Of course, most of my articles, videos and tweets in Turkish criticise Islamic sects and tell them about the true Islam in the Quran. Sufism, on the other hand, is the Trojan horse of spiritualism, and I specifically deal with them as well.

It's amusing to me that any theist can argue against other theologies. Almost always they resort to their own faith to prove they understand better. This seems to me to be nothing more than bullish insistence that they are right.

I know Baptists who make fervent arguments that Catholics are going to hell because the Catholics have statues of Jesus and other saints. They are idol worshippers. And Catholics who think that Baptists are going to hell because they don't submit to the authority of the one true church.

Your position doesn’t appear to be any different. But hey, believe what you want. That is unless you start attempting to lay down the law.

Beerina · 26th April 2023, 10:19 AM

Religion is like politics: the commoners on the other side are hellbound dupes, and the leaders actively evil demons.

This is as much a slam on politics as religion.

Myriad · 26th April 2023, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you.

I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.

If you believe (as most Muslims do) that Jesus Christ was a prophet, messenger, or messiah of the one true creator god, you're closer to being a Christian than most people here.

Hellbound · 26th April 2023, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Religion is like politics: the commoners on the other side are hellbound dupes, and the leaders actively evil demons.

This is as much a slam on politics as religion.

Hey now!

Filippo Lippi · 28th April 2023, 05:18 AM

"I will do everything in my power"

Occasionally spamming a sceptics board with half-formed guff - he may not be the superhero we want, etc, etc

Filippo Lippi · 28th April 2023, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up.

Pick one

"Hey, that's my home town!"

or

"Keep taking the dried-frog pills"

Norman Alexander · 28th April 2023, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up.

If I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see?

JayUtah · 28th April 2023, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

"I will do everything in my power"

Occasionally spamming a sceptics board with half-formed guff - he may not be the superhero we want, etc, etc

I guess we can take comfort in the likelihood that "everything in [his] power" probably won't affect much.

arthwollipot · 30th April 2023, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

If I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see?

The market for olives and olive oil, I believe.

Norman Alexander · 1st May 2023, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The market for olives and olive oil, I believe.

I'm actually seriously interested in what Emre has to tell me.

Emre_1974tr · 11th May 2023, 05:00 PM

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions.

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

Steve · 11th May 2023, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions.

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

The cat sitting on my lap despises you.

arthwollipot · 11th May 2023, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146

I deny the legitimacy of your book.

Norman Alexander · 11th May 2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions.

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

Yes, yes whatever.

Remember I asked you if I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see? Could you please answer that question? I would really like to know.

steenkh · 12th May 2023, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions.

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

What do we have here: a non-existent god reputedly forbids certain food for certain people as a punishment for whatever. Much later, this imaginary punishment is brought to stop by Jesus, who seems to have some sense.

But why is all this interesting, or important?

JoeMorgue · 12th May 2023, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions.

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

This is the 8th time I've asked you this.

The Quran states the following provably wrong, non-subjective falsehoods in a non-parable way.

1. It describes a geocentric solar system.
2. Similar to the Bible is describes the Earth as being created is six days.
3. It describes the Earth as being created before the stars.
4. It states that 7 Earths exist.
5. It describes the Earth and Moon as the same size and same distance from Earth.
6. It claims the Moon generates its own light.
7. It decrees that followers follow rituals that make no sense if the length of a day is variable, such as it is at higher latitudes.
8. Humans are created from clay.
9. Human descending from a magically created original pair of humans.
10. Sperms comes from the backbone and ribs.
11. Embryos are formed entirely from the semen.
12. It describes the heart as a thinking organ like the brain.
13. How you are supposed to face toward Mecca makes no sense if the Earth is round.
14. It describes salt and fresh water as not mixing in nature.
15. It describes a massive wall of iron as existing in Biblical (or Quranian or whatever) times.
16. It tells of Crucifixion occurring in Egypt at the time of Moses.
17. It repeats the oft repeated Noah flood myth.
18. It has a description of humans being turned into apes as punishment for breaking the Sabbath.
19. The whole flying horse thing which is in the Quran and I don't know why you try to lie and say it doesn't.
20. The inheritance rules don't add up mathematically, even if you round the numbers off.
21. Apparently if you have bangs you're a liar.

These are not "interpretations" or parables or "colorful language" or metaphors or some ancient people's interpretations of anything. They are falsehoods and lies.

Leumas · 12th May 2023, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

So having a day off work is a punishment?

Do you eat lions and cats?

JayUtah · 12th May 2023, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish...

Atheists get to have pet cats without being shamed by the superstitious and ignorant. There remains some question whether the cat expects to be worshiped.

Quote:

Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe.

Yet somehow Muslims still get Friday off. That was the best part of living in Jerusalem: you could wrangle a three-day weekend every week. The Muslims get Friday, the Jews get Saturday, and the Christians get Sunday. Now if someone would just shove a pillow in the 5:00 a.m. call to prayer...

Scorpion · 12th May 2023, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

I see the supposedly illiterate Muhammad knows what is in the Torah: Funny that!

I also see the verse ends with Muhammad telling people to obey him: Surprise, surprise.

JoeMorgue · 12th May 2023, 09:48 AM

Even with mainstream religions you usually get some version of "Okay you see we don't eat butternut squash on Thursday because our ancestors learned that was the day they were most likely to be under ripe" and I'm still like "I asked why you do it now, now why someone else did it a thousand years ago for reasons that no longer matter.

Norman Alexander · 12th May 2023, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Atheists get to have pet cats without being shamed by the superstitious and ignorant. There remains some question whether the cat expects to be worshiped.

No there isn't.

Filippo Lippi · 12th May 2023, 04:05 PM

Emre's powers only allow him to post once a fortnight, but be assured that is enough to save you from whatever it is his god said hell is

Emre_1974tr · 26th May 2023, 04:51 PM

There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses.

Steve · 26th May 2023, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Emre's powers only allow him to post once a fortnight, but be assured that is enough to save you from whatever it is his god said hell is

Seems to be the case. Maybe he has to share the computer with 14 other Muslims and they get one day each.

Steve · 26th May 2023, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses.

What "mistake" is being corrected here?

Emre_1974tr · 26th May 2023, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

What "mistake" is being corrected here?

Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected.

JayUtah · 26th May 2023, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected.

So vague allusions to one book say something different than vague allusions to another book. Okay.

Lukraak_Sisser · 26th May 2023, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses.

And what is more lawful than investing into someone's idea and collecting interest on that loan?

Norman Alexander · 26th May 2023, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Yes, yes whatever.

Remember I asked you if I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see? Could you please answer that question? I would really like to know.

You say that Islam is kind and caring religion. And yet you are not being very neighbourly and answering an simple question. So I hope you don't mind, but I did ask. Would you please answer?

JayUtah · 27th May 2023, 08:23 AM

My favorite part of the Qur'an's teachings on wealth is where rich people are expected to share their wealth with the poor, orphans, widows, etc. This is because earthly wealth is clearly ephemeral and does not follow you into the afterlife. Your true wealth is in giving charity to others.

But please keep telling me how the "Communists" got it wrong.

Gulliver Foyle · 29th May 2023, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected.

There are no communist bibles.

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th June 2023, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

There are no communist bibles.

Ah. Correction number 1 then?

26th April 2023, 02:20 AM	#2762
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,718	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you. I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God. Found any evidence for your fantastical claims yet?
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26th April 2023, 02:29 AM	#2763
Leumas Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 7,871	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr ... I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God.
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26th April 2023, 10:16 AM	#2764
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,727	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Of course, most of my articles, videos and tweets in Turkish criticise Islamic sects and tell them about the true Islam in the Quran. Sufism, on the other hand, is the Trojan horse of spiritualism, and I specifically deal with them as well. It's amusing to me that any theist can argue against other theologies. Almost always they resort to their own faith to prove they understand better. This seems to me to be nothing more than bullish insistence that they are right. I know Baptists who make fervent arguments that Catholics are going to hell because the Catholics have statues of Jesus and other saints. They are idol worshippers. And Catholics who think that Baptists are going to hell because they don't submit to the authority of the one true church. Your position doesn’t appear to be any different. But hey, believe what you want. That is unless you start attempting to lay down the law.
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26th April 2023, 10:19 AM	#2765
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32,079	Religion is like politics: the commoners on the other side are hellbound dupes, and the leaders actively evil demons. This is as much a slam on politics as religion.
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26th April 2023, 11:29 AM	#2766
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 20,174	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I feel responsible to all Christians, because your priests have made you adopt the pagan trinity in my hometown of Bursa(Iznik council). Unfortunately, they instilled this nonsense / polytheism in you. I will do everything in my power to help you in this dark journey you have fallen into and to guide you towards the light. Insha'Allah, I will save you from the swamp of Christianity and continue to guide you to Islam, the true and only religion of God. If you believe (as most Muslims do) that Jesus Christ was a prophet, messenger, or messiah of the one true creator god, you're closer to being a Christian than most people here.
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26th April 2023, 02:16 AM	#2761
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Do you live in Bursa? Last I heard, you lived in Zeytinli, near Akcay. Have you moved house? . No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up.

26th April 2023, 11:51 AM	#2767
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not in Hell, but I can see it from here on a clear day... Posts: 15,112	Originally Posted by Beerina Religion is like politics: the commoners on the other side are hellbound dupes, and the leaders actively evil demons. This is as much a slam on politics as religion. Hey now!
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28th April 2023, 05:18 AM	#2768
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,382	"I will do everything in my power" Occasionally spamming a sceptics board with half-formed guff - he may not be the superhero we want, etc, etc
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28th April 2023, 05:20 AM	#2769
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,382	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up. Pick one "Hey, that's my home town!" or "Keep taking the dried-frog pills"
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28th April 2023, 06:42 AM	#2770
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No, I'm in Zeytinli again. Bursa is my hometown, where I grew up. If I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see?
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28th April 2023, 06:53 AM	#2771
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi "I will do everything in my power" Occasionally spamming a sceptics board with half-formed guff - he may not be the superhero we want, etc, etc I guess we can take comfort in the likelihood that "everything in [his] power" probably won't affect much.

30th April 2023, 08:44 PM	#2772
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,214	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander If I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see? The market for olives and olive oil, I believe.
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1st May 2023, 06:18 AM	#2773
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by arthwollipot The market for olives and olive oil, I believe. I'm actually seriously interested in what Emre has to tell me.
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11th May 2023, 05:00 PM	#2774
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions. Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me."

11th May 2023, 05:12 PM	#2775
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,635	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions. Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." The cat sitting on my lap despises you.
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11th May 2023, 05:31 PM	#2776
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,214	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 I deny the legitimacy of your book.
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11th May 2023, 06:29 PM	#2777
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions. Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." Yes, yes whatever. Remember I asked you if I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see? Could you please answer that question? I would really like to know.
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12th May 2023, 08:20 AM	#2778
steenkh Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 6,847	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions. Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." What do we have here: a non-existent god reputedly forbids certain food for certain people as a punishment for whatever. Much later, this imaginary punishment is brought to stop by Jesus, who seems to have some sense. But why is all this interesting, or important?
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12th May 2023, 08:32 AM	#2779
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,184	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Jesus/Yusha, the nephew of the Prophets Moses and Aaron, and the Injeel, which came shortly after the Torah, already announced the end of these prohibitions. Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." This is the 8th time I've asked you this. The Quran states the following provably wrong, non-subjective falsehoods in a non-parable way. 1. It describes a geocentric solar system. 2. Similar to the Bible is describes the Earth as being created is six days. 3. It describes the Earth as being created before the stars. 4. It states that 7 Earths exist. 5. It describes the Earth and Moon as the same size and same distance from Earth. 6. It claims the Moon generates its own light. 7. It decrees that followers follow rituals that make no sense if the length of a day is variable, such as it is at higher latitudes. 8. Humans are created from clay. 9. Human descending from a magically created original pair of humans. 10. Sperms comes from the backbone and ribs. 11. Embryos are formed entirely from the semen. 12. It describes the heart as a thinking organ like the brain. 13. How you are supposed to face toward Mecca makes no sense if the Earth is round. 14. It describes salt and fresh water as not mixing in nature. 15. It describes a massive wall of iron as existing in Biblical (or Quranian or whatever) times. 16. It tells of Crucifixion occurring in Egypt at the time of Moses. 17. It repeats the oft repeated Noah flood myth. 18. It has a description of humans being turned into apes as punishment for breaking the Sabbath. 19. The whole flying horse thing which is in the Quran and I don't know why you try to lie and say it doesn't. 20. The inheritance rules don't add up mathematically, even if you round the numbers off. 21. Apparently if you have bangs you're a liar. These are not "interpretations" or parables or "colorful language" or metaphors or some ancient people's interpretations of anything. They are falsehoods and lies.
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12th May 2023, 08:58 AM	#2780
Leumas Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 7,871	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. So having a day off work is a punishment? Do you eat lions and cats?
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12th May 2023, 09:08 AM	#2781
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 6:146 For those who are Jewish... Atheists get to have pet cats without being shamed by the superstitious and ignorant. There remains some question whether the cat expects to be worshiped. Quote: Prohibitions such as clawed animals and the Sabbath were temporary punishments and tests for a tribe. Yet somehow Muslims still get Friday off. That was the best part of living in Jerusalem: you could wrangle a three-day weekend every week. The Muslims get Friday, the Jews get Saturday, and the Christians get Sunday. Now if someone would just shove a pillow in the 5:00 a.m. call to prayer...

12th May 2023, 09:16 AM	#2782
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,401	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Holy Quran 3:50 "Authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of what was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." I see the supposedly illiterate Muhammad knows what is in the Torah: Funny that! I also see the verse ends with Muhammad telling people to obey him: Surprise, surprise.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,401	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

12th May 2023, 09:48 AM	#2783
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,184	Even with mainstream religions you usually get some version of "Okay you see we don't eat butternut squash on Thursday because our ancestors learned that was the day they were most likely to be under ripe" and I'm still like "I asked why you do it now, now why someone else did it a thousand years ago for reasons that no longer matter.
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12th May 2023, 02:29 PM	#2784
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by JayUtah Atheists get to have pet cats without being shamed by the superstitious and ignorant. There remains some question whether the cat expects to be worshiped. No there isn't.
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12th May 2023, 04:05 PM	#2785
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,382	Emre's powers only allow him to post once a fortnight, but be assured that is enough to save you from whatever it is his god said hell is
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26th May 2023, 04:51 PM	#2786
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses.

26th May 2023, 04:59 PM	#2787
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,635	Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi Emre's powers only allow him to post once a fortnight, but be assured that is enough to save you from whatever it is his god said hell is Seems to be the case. Maybe he has to share the computer with 14 other Muslims and they get one day each.
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26th May 2023, 05:01 PM	#2788
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,635	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses. What "mistake" is being corrected here?
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26th May 2023, 05:20 PM	#2789
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Steve What "mistake" is being corrected here? Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected.

26th May 2023, 07:17 PM	#2790
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected. So vague allusions to one book say something different than vague allusions to another book. Okay.

26th May 2023, 09:27 PM	#2791
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,988	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses. And what is more lawful than investing into someone's idea and collecting interest on that loan?

26th May 2023, 11:15 PM	#2792
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,015	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr There is no limit to the amount of wealth in Islam, as long as it is acquired through lawful means. If there were a limit, there would be a limit of wealth equivalent to a certain weight/amount of gold or diamonds, but there is absolutely no such restriction in the verses. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Yes, yes whatever. Remember I asked you if I was to visit Zeytinli, what interesting things could I see? Could you please answer that question? I would really like to know. You say that Islam is kind and caring religion. And yet you are not being very neighbourly and answering an simple question. So I hope you don't mind, but I did ask. Would you please answer?
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27th May 2023, 08:23 AM	#2793
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,563	My favorite part of the Qur'an's teachings on wealth is where rich people are expected to share their wealth with the poor, orphans, widows, etc. This is because earthly wealth is clearly ephemeral and does not follow you into the afterlife. Your true wealth is in giving charity to others. But please keep telling me how the "Communists" got it wrong.

29th May 2023, 05:09 AM	#2794
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,718	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Communist and pagan Bible sayings denigrating wealth and the rich are being corrected. There are no communist bibles.
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4th June 2023, 05:48 PM	#2795
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,704	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle There are no communist bibles. Ah. Correction number 1 then?
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