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Old 29th May 2019, 11:01 PM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
Again I don't see anyone who has said that everything that Morrison does is motivated by religion.
Do you see anybody mentioning anything else besides his religion?

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Sure, I accept that Morrison fully supported Turnbull's leadership throughout the whole process.

So how is Prime Minister Turnbull doing?
You evidently have no idea who the key players were. Do a little research if you don't believe me.
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Old 29th May 2019, 11:13 PM   #1442
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Do you see anybody mentioning anything else besides his religion?
You mean, apart from the first thirty pages of this thread?
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Old 30th May 2019, 01:22 AM   #1443
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Do you see anybody mentioning anything else besides his religion?
As Arthwollipot said, apart from the first 30 pages of the thread. And you seem to be the one doing the most to keep the subject alive.

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You evidently have no idea who the key players were. Do a little research if you don't believe me.
Sure, maybe I will research who became PM at the end of the process, that seems pretty key. Who was it now? Scott someone I think.
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
As Arthwollipot said, apart from the first 30 pages of the thread. And you seem to be the one doing the most to keep the subject alive.
To be fair, the first few pages were mostly about his religion, then we moved on to other subjects.
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Old 30th May 2019, 04:24 AM   #1445
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
As Arthwollipot said, apart from the first 30 pages of the thread. And you seem to be the one doing the most to keep the subject alive.
Clearly you don't read anything.

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Sure, maybe I will research who became PM at the end of the process, that seems pretty key. Who was it now? Scott someone I think.
So you think that ScoMo should have let Peter Dutton win the prime ministership unchallenged?
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Old 30th May 2019, 03:05 PM   #1446
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Clearly you don't read anything.


So you think that ScoMo should have let Peter Dutton win the prime ministership unchallenged?

So there we have it. No more derogatory remarks about Scomo and his being a Pentecostal God bot, because he saved us from having Dutton, the turd, as Prime Minister. This is absolutely prime psion type argument. It just doesn't get any better than this.
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Old 30th May 2019, 05:11 PM   #1447
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I have an outrageous suggestion.

Instead of worrying about what Morrison will or won't do, why doesn't everyone wait to see what he does do?

It seems a little illogical to argue about something that will become evident in a fairly short time frame.
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Old 30th May 2019, 06:18 PM   #1448
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I have an outrageous suggestion.

Instead of worrying about what Morrison will or won't do, why doesn't everyone wait to see what he does do?

It seems a little illogical to argue about something that will become evident in a fairly short time frame.
He has already done enough when he was an Abbott minister. He hides and ducks and weaves...get's stuff done by stealth and denying it. His record is not that of an open, honest person.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/...scott-morrison
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I have an outrageous suggestion.

Instead of worrying about what Morrison will or won't do, why doesn't everyone wait to see what he does do?

It seems a little illogical to argue about something that will become evident in a fairly short time frame.
While I agree in principle, he's very predictable.
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I don't see any of that being related to his christianity, which was the point of my statement.

And if you want to find an honest politician, you'll need a time machine to go back to 1974, when Norm Kirk died. He's the only one I know of in the past 100 years.
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I don't see any of that being related to his christianity, which was the point of my statement.
The question remains: Does anyone think he will make decisions for the country that will go against his religious beliefs. If not, that's "influence".
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For example. After it was clear that the Australian people wanted marriage equality, he (along with a few other people noted for their religious views) abstained from the vote in Parliament rather than comply with the will of his electorate, which voted 55% Yes in the postal survey.

Does anyone believe that something like that won't happen again?
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I want to say another thing, and then if you like, psion, I'll change to another subject.

One aspect of Pentecostalism that I think wasn't touched on in that article I linked was that it is a strongly Dominionist theology. Essentially this is the idea that God must rule on Earth before he can rule in Heaven. Dominionists very actively seek positions of power in local and national governments in order to bring nations under exclusively Christian rule, and break Satan's governance over the world.

Do we really want a theocrat in charge?
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So there we have it. No more derogatory remarks about Scomo and his being a Pentecostal God bot, because he saved us from having Dutton, the turd, as Prime Minister. This is absolutely prime psion type argument. It just doesn't get any better than this.
What a siilly argument. Of course I shouldn't expect anything better from somebody who thinks that "ScoMo is PM therefore he is the one who wielded the knife" is sound reasoning.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I want to say another thing, and then if you like, psion, I'll change to another subject.

One aspect of Pentecostalism that I think wasn't touched on in that article I linked was that it is a strongly Dominionist theology. Essentially this is the idea that God must rule on Earth before he can rule in Heaven. Dominionists very actively seek positions of power in local and national governments in order to bring nations under exclusively Christian rule, and break Satan's governance over the world.

Do we really want a theocrat in charge?
If your inference is that ScoMo wants to bring on WW3 to fulfill biblical prophecy then that would be a kooky inference indeed.

If it comes down to a choice between ScoMo and any one of Tony Abbott, Peter Dutton or even Malcolm Turnbull then ScoMo is the best of a bad bunch. It has nothing to do with his religion but because he is less likely to blow the budget to smithereens with reckless spending or to implement a hard right agenda.

That doesn't mean that I approve of ScoMo. A vote for Scott Morrison is a vote FOR climate change and a vote for the wealthy and major corporations AGAINST low income earners and those dependent on pensions and welfare. I don't see anything particularly religious about this. It is just standard Liberal philosophy.
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If your inference is that ScoMo wants to bring on WW3 to fulfill biblical prophecy then that would be a kooky inference indeed.
Again, I'm explicitly not looking into my crystal ball, predicting what he will do in the future. I am raising a concern. His religion teaches that the people in charge should be Christian.
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Again, I'm explicitly not looking into my crystal ball, predicting what he will do in the future. I am raising a concern. His religion teaches that the people in charge should be Christian.
So what? There is no indication that he is going to do anything other than implement Liberal philosophy.
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So what? There is no indication that he is going to do anything other than implement Liberal philosophy.
It's about how he influences that philosophy in the party room. He is the leader of the party, after all.
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I see psion is looping again. Anyone got a Ctrl-C?
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I see psion is looping again. Anyone got a Ctrl-C?
I gave an honest response to your "another thing" and you are still harping on about his religion. It's time for you to keep your promise and change to another subject.
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I gave an honest response to your "another thing" and you are still harping on about his religion. It's time for you to keep your promise and change to another subject.
Righto.

Australia to achieve 50% renewables by 2030 without government intervention, analysis finds

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Australia is on track to achieve 50% renewable electricity by 2030 even without new federal energy policies, according to modelling by the energy analysts RepuTex.

The analysis, to be released on Wednesday, suggests that a surge in renewable energy driven by state schemes and rooftop solar installations will reduce wholesale prices from $85 per MWh to $70 over the next three years.

Lower prices will make gas- and coal-fired power less competitive, even without a market mechanism to make fossil fuels reflect the cost of pollution or a direct constraint on emissions, although a lack of federal policy could lead to longer-term price rises, RepuTex found.
So really, it doesn't matter what ScoMo thinks about climate change. The tide has turned. We have passed the tipping point where generating energy with coal is more expensive than generating it with renewables. Canberra will be effectively 100% renewable by October. And it won't take long for the other major cities to catch up.
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The question remains: Does anyone think he will make decisions for the country that will go against his religious beliefs. If not, that's "influence".
That's the very unknown I'm talking about.

God is more powerful than the electorate, so I presume he wouldn't, but I wouldn't put money on it.
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Again, I'm explicitly not looking into my crystal ball, predicting what he will do in the future. I am raising a concern. His religion teaches that the people in charge should be Christian.
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So what? There is no indication that he is going to do anything other than implement Liberal philosophy.

Scomo has runs on the board showing how his religious leaning will influence his decision making. A couple of years back:

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The federal treasurer, Scott Morrison, has backed Wallabies star Israel Folau’s “strong character” in standing up for his religious belief that gay people will go to hell unless they repent their sins.
Now before the ink is dry on his oath to the GG he is pushing the religious right to discriminate freedom wagon.

I wonder if we are going to see a wave of Libs flocking to join Pentecostal churches. Those opportunistic bastards may see this as a way forward in advancement perhaps.
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Scomo ...
It amuses me that someone who opposes Morrison still manages to buy into the fake Ocker persona he plays so well, by using the Ocker-style familiar Morrison himself probably invented.
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It amuses me that someone who opposes Morrison still manages to buy into the fake Ocker persona he plays so well, by using the Ocker-style familiar Morrison himself probably invented.
Oops! Did I really do that? Oh my....
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It definantly looks like Morrison and co are now using the reelection to begin a crackdown on reporters recieving leaked material.

In a matter of days, Annika Smethurst, a reporter from News Corp, Ben Fordham from 2GB, and finally today the ABC have all either been raided by the AFP or been informed that they're an interested party in an inquiry over use of leaked materials.

Edit: A remarkable set of live-tweets from the raid on the ABC: https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...weet-at-a-time

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Just to rub it in. Here is the story they did not want the public to know https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...forces/8466642
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I bet News Corp regrets its decision to endorse the LNP at the elec--LOL who I am kidding.
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The AFP, who sat on their hands and basically did nothing about the leak from Cash's office now out intimidating journalists?

Yeah, nah, this is fine.
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The AFP, who sat on their hands and basically did nothing about the leak from Cash's office now out intimidating journalists?

Yeah, nah, this is fine.
Dutton says he has nothing to do with this, had no idea it was going to happen, etc.

In a pig's arse, you Brussel sprout.
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It definantly looks like Morrison and co are now using the reelection to begin a crackdown on reporters recieving leaked material.
Welcome to the new normal.
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So another "One Nation" MP Charles Smith jumps ship.

I wonder when Pauline will be the only one left?

Instead of the 'Pauline Hansen's One Nation Party' maybe a name change to 'One Pauline Hansen in the Nation Party' would be more appropriate?
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So another "One Nation" MP Charles Smith jumps ship.

I wonder when Pauline will be the only one left?

Instead of the 'Pauline Hansen's One Nation Party' maybe a name change to 'One Pauline Hansen in the Nation Party' would be more appropriate?
It was only ever about her. Hence the party name.
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Albo has found himself in a stoush so soon into his leadership, taking on the "union ratbag" Setka. interesting power play unfolding here as we wait to see the reaction of other union secretaries.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-...utiny/11204210


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Anthony Albanese's first captain's call as Labor leader has sparked mutiny — it is not known yet how dangerous.
By demanding the ALP's national executive expel union ratbag John Setka, the Labor leader has put the party's ruling body in an invidious position.
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Old 12th June 2019, 05:35 PM   #1477
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Well, in a way this is the ideal time to shake those things out. Better get all the infighting done now rather than closer to the next election.
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More importantly, standing up to the Blue-collar Mafia unions is a very good thing, and long overdue in Aussie politics.

I don't know why your unions are so corrupt. Ours are just useless.

Your subs must be higher.
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Hey now, not all of our unions are irredeemably corrupt.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
More importantly, standing up to the Blue-collar Mafia unions is a very good thing, and long overdue in Aussie politics.

I don't know why your unions are so corrupt. Ours are just useless.

Your subs must be higher.
What is high is the union donations to the ALP. If I were Albo I would have delegated this.
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