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Old 14th September 2019, 03:17 PM   #1
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Windows 10 S Mode: Is It Worth It?

So I bought an inexpensive laptop, and it runs Windows 10 in S mode. I found out the S mode part when I went to install a program. I'm not tech savvy, so I'd never heard of this. I searched on this, so I know now what it means, and I know that most of the comments are that S mode is crap and not worth it. I'm only concerned about the downside of switching out of S mode, which is Microsoft's claim that it will impede performance. If I do, am I likely to see any significant downside?

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I'm tech savvy but don't know what S mode means. Shemp mode? I don't think there's an option to get out of it for you. Won't judge, though.
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I can't imagine ever wanting to stay in S Mode, so I would switch out of it immediately if I were you. If you've already come across its limitations in trying to install a program, then you'll know if this is the sort of thing you're going to want to do again. If it is, switch.
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I'm planning to, I just want to see if anyone will try to talk me out of it.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I'm tech savvy but don't know what S mode means. Shemp mode? I don't think there's an option to get out of it for you. Won't judge, though.
Did I mention that it also comes with 500 GB of Soviet Disco videos?
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Did I mention that it also comes with 500 GB of Soviet Disco videos?

64KB of Soviet Disco Videos are enough for everyone!

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Old 14th September 2019, 05:01 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Note: Those who would say "You should have bought a Mac!" or "You should have bought a Chromebook!" need not reply.
You should have bought Linux!

ETA: Jokes aside, I had to look up what it was.
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What is S Mode? Windows 10 in S Mode is a more limited, locked-down Windows operating system. In S Mode, you can only install apps from the Store, and you can only browse the web with Microsoft Edge. Microsoft is pitching security, speed, and stability here.
Holy crappe, MS has gotten worse and worse.
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You should have bought Linux!.

You can't buy Linux!
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What is S Mode? Windows 10 in S Mode is a more limited, locked-down Windows operating system. In S Mode, you can only install apps from the Store, and you can only browse the web with Microsoft Edge. Microsoft is pitching security, speed, and stability here.

Yaaaa riiiiight! I'm sure that's all it is.
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I'm planning to, I just want to see if anyone will try to talk me out of it.
It really depends on what you are wanting to achieve. If all you want it a laptop for office work and browsing, and you are happy with MS Office and don't care about your browser or search engine, then S-Mode is likely going to be fine and it will protect you from malware and even possibly give you some minimal performance benefits.

If you'd rather pick your own browser, search engine, office produces, and you want to be able to download and use non-app store approved programs, then switch it off, because it's no use for you.

It seems to be MS's attempt to do an Apple with their iPhones being locked, but it is rather simpler to remove than Jail-breaking your phone is.
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Old 14th September 2019, 05:39 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Yaaaa riiiiight! I'm $ure that's all it is.
Fixed that for you.
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You can't buy Linux!
Well, you *can*, you just don't have to. If you do, you get some perks, like a service contract and compatibility-tested install disk. Some even have curated repos. Some even have printed manuals for common GNU commands.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
You should have bought Linux!

ETA: Jokes aside, I had to look up what it was.

Holy crappe, MS has gotten worse and worse.

It should be more secure than normal mode and possibly more stable. However we have lived with a Windows that is not secure for decades now. On the other hand attacks are getting more sophisticated. If you regularly browse porn while drunk, for example, you may need some help with keeping your computer safe.
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So I bought an inexpensive laptop, and it runs Windows 10 in S mode. I found out the S mode part when I went to install a program. I'm not tech savvy, so I'd never heard of this. I searched on this, so I know now what it means, and I know that most of the comments are that S mode is crap and not worth it. I'm only concerned about the downside of switching out of S mode, which is Microsoft's claim that it will impede performance. If I do, am I likely to see any significant downside?

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To dumb down, S-Mode reduces a Windows PC to the state of an iPad; you exist within a Microsoft walled garden.
You can only install apps via the Microsoft store, you cannot modify system settings, you search through Bing (and cannot change this default), browse through Edge et cetera.
You can leave but you generally cannot re-enter S-Mode.

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Not really, no. It's fine for very limited environments but generally useless.
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Yaaaa riiiiight! I'm sure that's all it is.
Do you whine to the same extent about Apple and their products?
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Well, you *can*, you just don't have to. If you do, you get some perks, like a service contract and compatibility-tested install disk. Some even have curated repos. Some even have printed manuals for common GNU commands.

No you can't. You can buy some perks like service contracts or special need distributions etc, but you can't buy Linux itself.
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Windows 10 S Mode: Is It Worth It?

I donít think the iOS comparisons are apt. Apple only cares about vetting the products in their App Store. You can still use whatever browser/office suite/software that developers submit to the App Store though -you arenít limited only to Appleís version of such.

Seems ridiculously restrictive and totally against what most people buy a PC for. But it might work for you if your needs are limited. I personally would switch out of S mode mostly because I hate Edge as a browser.
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I bought a new laptop this spring with Windows 10 S. I used it for a few days with the Edge browser and decided I preferred Chrome as well as a bunch of programs that Microsoft Store doesn't offer. So I made the switch from S.

There was a noticeable slowing down of browser speed and website opening. Also it takes more than twice as long to boot to the Desktop. It has a solid state drive.

I don't really have complaints about the laptop or Windows 10 other than that I wish it still had the speed of S Mode.
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I donít think the iOS comparisons are apt. Apple only cares about vetting the products in their App Store. You can still use whatever browser/office suite/software that developers submit to the App Store though -you arenít limited only to Appleís version of such.
And how does one exit from Apple control?
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So I bought an inexpensive laptop, and it runs Windows 10 in S mode. I found out the S mode part when I went to install a program. I'm not tech savvy, so I'd never heard of this. I searched on this, so I know now what it means, and I know that most of the comments are that S mode is crap and not worth it. I'm only concerned about the downside of switching out of S mode, which is Microsoft's claim that it will impede performance. If I do, am I likely to see any significant downside?

Note: Those who would say "You should have bought a Mac!" or "You should have bought a Chromebook!" need not reply.

Laptops suck.
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Laptops suck.
So says the worst Roman Emperor ever.
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If you really need the "security" offered by S-mode, you should probably just get one of these. Regardless of your age.
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And how does one exit from Apple control?



???

What Apple control?
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???

What Apple control?
How do you upload an app to your phone or iPad if it's not consistent with Apple's Apple Store rules without going through the hassle of either side loading it or Jail-breaking your phone/iPad?
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How do you upload an app to your phone or iPad if it's not consistent with Apple's Apple Store rules without going through the hassle of either side loading it or Jail-breaking your phone/iPad?

By turning your desktop PC into a Hackintosh. Boom!!

Laptops are problematic, however. Tough luck, Shemp!!!!
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How do you upload an app to your phone or iPad if it's not consistent with Apple's Apple Store rules without going through the hassle of either side loading it or Jail-breaking your phone/iPad?
It is pretty easy to jail break an iPhone if one wishes. But the thread is really on computers and I have found it very easy to install a wide variety of third party apps/programs on all of my Macs. I am unaware of any control or limitations imposed by Apple on my ability to do so. At worse I get a dialog box telling me it is unknown software and asking if I am certain I wish to install it.

I post this hoping this does not become yet another Windows vs Mac debate. I am just providing some information, not claiming one is superior to another.
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No you can't. You can buy some perks like service contracts or special need distributions etc, but you can't buy Linux itself.
If youíre going to be pedantic, you canít buy Windows, either.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Laptops suck.
But notebooks are useful tools.

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???

What Apple control?

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How do you upload an app to your phone or iPad if it's not consistent with Apple's Apple Store rules without going through the hassle of either side loading it or Jail-breaking your phone/iPad?
Exactly.

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By turning your desktop PC into a Hackintosh. Boom!!
Why would you want to ruin a PC by installing Apple's crapware on it?

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Laptops are problematic, however. Tough luck, Shemp!!!!
Really? I've been using notebooks for 27 years and have had no more problems that with desktops.
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If you really need the "security" offered by S-mode, you should probably just get one of these. Regardless of your age.
Sweet effing jeebus, US$200 for a US$50 tablet?
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Sweet effing jeebus, US$200 for a US$50 tablet?
Don't forget the $40/month subscription on top of it! It's a product that is explicitly saying seniors are dumb and expecting them to lap it up.
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Holy crappe, MS has gotten worse and worse.
How do you figure?

One, this is an optional setting.

Two, it seems like it's a feature designed more for corporate environments. It allows you to issue large numbers of cheap PCs, with:
- improved performance to offset the cheaper, less-performant hardware
- a short list of apps that are actually performant on lower-tier hardware
- a walled garden of curated apps, rather than letting end-users install anything and everything they desire from any source

Hospital worstations, probably. Kiosk devices. Etc. Anywhere your business just needs a computer to do a job, not to be a general purpose tool and entertainment.
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If youíre going to be pedantic, you canít buy Windows, either.
I almost added that to my post just to head off the exact 'retort' posted by Childlike Empress. I decided to see if someone would be that bent on trying to score internet points. *sigh* Guess now I know.

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Is Windows S-Mode more stable and secure? Yes, by simple virtue of it being a subset of normal mode. It primarily limits what you can install from outside sources. So, anything that could breach S-Mode could also breach standard, but standard has a few attack methods that would fail against S-Mode.

How much more security does it provide? Unknowable. The thing about security flaws is that they appear completely benign until suddenly they are an impending doom.

Is that security worth it? Maybe, depending on whether you want/need features not available on S-Mode. If you don't, then there is no downside to S-Mode.
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How do you figure?

One, this is an optional setting.

Two, it seems like it's a feature designed more for corporate environments. It allows you to issue large numbers of cheap PCs, with:
- improved performance to offset the cheaper, less-performant hardware
- a short list of apps that are actually performant on lower-tier hardware
- a walled garden of curated apps, rather than letting end-users install anything and everything they desire from any source

Hospital worstations, probably. Kiosk devices. Etc. Anywhere your business just needs a computer to do a job, not to be a general purpose tool and entertainment.
Here you may be thinking of Windows Embedded, a family of non-consumer products to allow use of the Windows OS services without other fluff (e.g. no networking installed on systems that will never be connected to a network, or no desktop explorer on kiosk systems).
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Here you may be thinking of Windows Embedded, a family of non-consumer products to allow use of the Windows OS services without other fluff (e.g. no networking installed on systems that will never be connected to a network, or no desktop explorer on kiosk systems).
No, I'm thinking of lightweight workstations, not embedded devices.
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You can't buy Linux!
Sure you can. I'd be happy to sell Linux to anyone who is dumb enough to pay me.
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You can't buy Linux!
Sure you can. You can and you do.

Whether it's the hobbyist investing history own resources in contributing to the project, or a corporate interest paying its people to contribute, or an IT director hiring competent Linux technicians, people are indeed buying Linux.
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You can't buy Linux!
Check Amazon. USB sticks and other media sold as Linux.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/s?k=linux...m_browse-bin_1
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
How do you figure?

One, this is an optional setting.

Two, it seems like it's a feature designed more for corporate environments. It allows you to issue large numbers of cheap PCs, with:
- improved performance to offset the cheaper, less-performant hardware
- a short list of apps that are actually performant on lower-tier hardware
- a walled garden of curated apps, rather than letting end-users install anything and everything they desire from any source

Hospital worstations, probably. Kiosk devices. Etc. Anywhere your business just needs a computer to do a job, not to be a general purpose tool and entertainment.
The first thing that popped into my mind when I was reading this is for schools to give them to younger school children. Google Chromebooks, and Apple have cornered the market a bit and I see this as Window's lame attempt at trying to get into that market.

ETA: In addition to what you said, not saying you're wrong at all, just another use.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
The first thing that popped into my mind when I was reading this is for schools to give them to younger school children. Google Chromebooks, and Apple have cornered the market a bit and I see this as Window's lame attempt at trying to get into that market.

ETA: In addition to what you said, not saying you're wrong at all, just another use.
I think you're probably on to a better use case; systems made available to the public in some form or another. Systems for students, for residents at a hotel or a camp, terminals in a coffee shop. Maybe shared workstations at something like a call center? Allow a bit more freedom than a locked-down kiosk mode that only allows one or two apps, but not open it up for any wild west crap.
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