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Old 18th July 2019, 07:40 AM   #81
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I think the reason for Trump's election was, in large part, due to the SCOTUS vacancy and the other vacancies that were likely to eventuate.



The Christian Right in America would have voted for Trump if he had been a Satanist rather than allow the Democrats to appoint those positions.



You only need to look at the population of evangelicals in the swing states compared to the margins to see that this is quite plausible.
Evangelicals are swing voters?
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Old 18th July 2019, 08:45 AM   #82
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To make the government work we need the republican base
Do we though? I mean, there are presently 12 million more registered Democrats than Republicans. On most issues, Democrats win a plurality. Even on the jobs issue, that can easily flip around.

The problem is, most of the Democratic voters seemed to be concentrated in high population areas. Thanks to things like gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the Electoral College, this gives the low population red areas a disproportionate amount of power.

This gives the Dems 2 main objectives:

1) get their more popular message to undecided voters or "independent" voters.

2) Either get around or eliminate the geographic issue.
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Old 18th July 2019, 08:50 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Evangelicals are swing voters?
I think the point was that evangelicals were motivated voters, having little to do with the candidates.
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Old 18th July 2019, 08:58 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yes. Guilty as charged. I'm criticizing the Democrats for not being able to deal with the Republicans without having a fully realized plan of my own.

If I hire a plumber to fix a leaky toilet and he comes out and can't fix the toilet, I'm gonna fire him and get a new plumber without knowing how to fix the toilet myself as well.
the current situation in the US seems to more akin to what happens if you are overseeing the renovations to your house, there are two plumbers hired to for the renovations, both of them hate each other and but one contractor keeps interfering with the other's work so nothing is getting accomplished while the general contractor is busy telling you how great he is, and if that guy who can't fix the toilet would just go away everything would be so great, you won't believe how great it is because his preferred subcontractor would be able to replace everything the other guy did with stuff he purchased from the local building supply store that gives the general contractor kickbacks.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:10 AM   #85
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I'm all for it. She's an antisemitic follower of a religion that worships a savage pedophile. Throw in her immigration and tax fraud and she's an excellent candidate for deportation.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:34 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
If I hire a plumber to fix a leaky toilet and he comes out and can't fix the toilet, I'm gonna fire him and get a new plumber without knowing how to fix the toilet myself as well.
But the toilet is in a burning house, and the arsonist is still at large.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:37 AM   #87
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Hey quit dissing my main man Trump. Trump 2020.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:38 AM   #88
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Hey quit dissing my main man Trump. Trump 2020.
Who's your second?
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:43 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Border Reiver View Post
the current situation in the US seems to more akin to what happens if you are overseeing the renovations to your house, there are two plumbers hired to for the renovations, both of them hate each other and but one contractor keeps interfering with the other's work so nothing is getting accomplished while the general contractor is busy telling you how great he is, and if that guy who can't fix the toilet would just go away everything would be so great, you won't believe how great it is because his preferred subcontractor would be able to replace everything the other guy did with stuff he purchased from the local building supply store that gives the general contractor kickbacks.

I see it more like two plumbers and one's trying to fix your leak and maybe overcharge you a little while the other is ******* your teenage daughter, kicking your cat, nicking your jewellery, pissing on the floor and blaming it all on anyone but themselves while insisting that they're the greatest plumber ever and holding a gas axe by the wrong end.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:48 AM   #90
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Who will Democrats blame next time when they lose in 2020?
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:51 AM   #91
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Who will Democrats blame next time when they lose in 2020?
Dunno, maybe the same guys who were bragging about “drinking liberal tears” in November 2018?
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:51 AM   #92
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Who will Democrats blame next time when they lose in 2020?
"Who will you blame the next time I win the hand?" says the guy with 2 aces up his sleeve who is currently going through the deck picking out the cards he wants and has already decided he's going to steal the pot regardless of who wins the hand.
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How many months before the three-word chant is "Kill them all!"?
Probably not anytime soon. Within the past few years, white supremacists/the alt right/whatever you want to call that general group have been moving away from explicit talk of violence, at least in public. Probably most notably, Richard Spencer has always consistently denied that he wants genocide or any kind of violence; instead, he advocates for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to create ethnostates. What that means is basically kicking all the non-whites out. As far as I've seen, that kind of language is now the norm for public discussions about that kind of thing, and it's a deliberate move to seem more respectable and appealing to the masses. That's what, to me, is especially worrying about that chant - it's a crowd of 'normal" people chanting something white nationalists have been trying to make part of the public discourse for years. If it becomes common enough, there probably won't even be a need to escalate to something more violent, because people like Spencer will have already succeeded.

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Old 18th July 2019, 11:00 AM   #94
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For what its worth, I listen to a number of right wing podcasts. So far they are condemning the change and Trumps response to it. Ben Shapiro spent something link 20 minutes condemning it.
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For what its worth, I listen to a number of right wing podcasts. So far they are condemning the change and Trumps response to it. Ben Shapiro spent something link 20 minutes condemning it.
A few Republicans have spoken out against the chants, albeit bookended with bog standard snipes against the Democrats/Lefts/Made Up Socialist and many of them are so backhanded as to sort of step on their own points, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

I'm a "When you honestly believe something you can make the point without qualifiers" kind of person, but at least the words are being mouthed on some level.


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Old 18th July 2019, 11:16 AM   #96
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The only way you are not an America-hater is to be are a Trump-supporter.
I'm coming to the conclusion that Trump supporters hate America.
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I'm coming to the conclusion that Trump supporters hate America.
They hate the America that is. They love the America that never actually was.
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That's always been my solution as well.
I don't see a peaceful solution to this crisis.
Call it the Second Civil War, call it the Second Amereican Revolution, I think a level of vioilence not seen since the 1860's looks to be almost inevitable.
MY nightmare is it becomes like Spain during it's Civil War; a contest between totaltarians of the right and totalarians of the left. By 1938, it was pretty much a choice between Hitler Wannabes and Stalin Wannabes.
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Now that The PDJT has (sort of) said the chant was not a good thing, we'll hear from GOP members -- "Oh, I thought it was bad all the time!"

He claims he started speaking again quickly -- he most certainly did not. I can allow for the first several seconds as he might not have been able to discern what they were actually yelling. But he did wait for it to die down and didn't start speaking for several seconds after that.
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Old 18th July 2019, 12:22 PM   #100
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The GOP Is beyond redemption, Period.
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Old 18th July 2019, 12:24 PM   #101
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Originally Posted by Iamafalser View Post
I'm all for it. She's an antisemitic follower of a religion that worships a savage pedophile. Throw in her immigration and tax fraud and she's an excellent candidate for deportation.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.
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Now that The PDJT has (sort of) said the chant was not a good thing, we'll hear from GOP members -- "Oh, I thought it was bad all the time!"

He claims he started speaking again quickly -- he most certainly did not. I can allow for the first several seconds as he might not have been able to discern what they were actually yelling. But he did wait for it to die down and didn't start speaking for several seconds after that.
He ******* loved it. He'll make it happen again at his next klanfest and insincerely say something like "no, come on..." while grinning like the racist moron he is.
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And when you're playing a game of chess and the other player starts losing and decides he's no longer going to play chess but going to play "Flip the Board Over"... you can't get around that by playing chess better.

Right now the Dems and/or their supporters seem to want to stay in some impossible limbo land where the Republicans are never going to play the game right again but the Dems are going to play the game better until they win and that's not how the world works.

If the Republicans really have stopped playing the game, they aren't going to start playing it again. So the Dems might have to stop playing it as well. You're not going to talk, trick, guilt, or force the Republicans to play chess with you anymore. They got what they want by flipping over the board.

Everytime I suggest anything that counters the "Well we're losing but here's all the reason it's not our fault" narrative I get a lot of vitriol.

Again... I keep feeling like I really have to just pull an honest answer out of people on this.

Have you given up? Is victory on the table anymore or you all just watching the world burn at this point?
I haven’t seen you suggest anything at all. You seem to be ranting incoherently.
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How are we sure that this one isn't being sarcastic in a way that is functionally identical to not being sarcastic and the jokes on us for getting upset at him?

It's over the top enough.
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Can't deport American citizens.
Not true. If a person lied on their application, then their citizenship can be voided. It happened to a few nazis if I recall correctly.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...-of-permanence
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L. Francis Cissna, the director of U.S.C.I.S., told the Associated Press that his agency is looking for people who “should not have been naturalized in the first place”—for example, those who had been ordered to be deported earlier and obtained citizenship under a different name—and this sounds reasonable enough.
The rest of the article is about naturalized person who made other errors during the process.
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I haven’t seen you suggest anything at all. You seem to be ranting incoherently.
Yeah, I don't get the point he is making.
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Not true. If a person lied on their application, then their citizenship can be voided. It happened to a few nazis if I recall correctly.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...-of-permanence


The rest of the article is about naturalized person who made other errors during the process.
Let's not forget Lucky Luciano....Mafia Boss who was stripped of his citizenship and deported back to Italy after being convicted of a crime.
If you are convicted of a serious crime, and you are a naturalized citizen, you can have your citizenship voided. Luciano is probably the most famous example.
You cannot be stripped of citizenship if you are a native born citizen,although you can have some rights taken away. (People convicted of a felony cannot vote..though they can petiion to have the right restored.That happened with Molly Bloom, the "Poker Princess" recently.
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Lindsey Graham has stated that Trump's remarks are not racist. To make his point, he invoked one-of-the-good-ones rhetoric. I'm not joking.

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“I don’t think it’s racist to say,” Graham told reporters on Thursday. “I don’t think a Somali refugee embracing Trump would be asked to go back. If you’re racist, you want everybody to go back because they are black or Muslim. That’s not what this is about. What this is about to me is that these four congresswoman, in their own way, have been incredibly provocative.”

“If you think he’s as racist, that’s up to you. I don’t,” Graham added.

He noted that “for President Trump, if you embrace his policies, doesn’t matter where you come from, he probably likes you.”
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I am not a big fan of Omar at all..or the rest of the Squad,they are way too far to the left for my taste...but this has nothing to do with critising their policies, this is pure bigotry.
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Lindsey Graham has stated that Trump's remarks are not racist. To make his point, he invoked one-of-the-good-ones rhetoric. I'm not joking.



https://thinkprogress.org/lindsey-gr...-0c7a2dcb60a6/
Graham reminds me of Richard Rich in "A Man For All Seasons" Only diifrence is the price of his soul was is a cabinent post instead of Wales....
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
How are we sure that this one isn't being sarcastic in a way that is functionally identical to not being sarcastic and the jokes on us for getting upset at him?

It's over the top enough.
CHeck his posting history. It's easy to do. Just click on the name above his avatar and click "Fine More Posts by X'
He is a big time Trump supporter.
I considered his being a troll a possibility;that is why I checked his posting history.
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I am not a big fan of Omar at all..or the rest of the Squad,they are way too far to the left for my taste...but this has nothing to do with critising their policies, this is pure bigotry.
And misogyny. Don't forget that part; it is being significantly underreported.
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They hate the America that is. They love the America that never actually was.
And I will concede that I hate the America they strive for.
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Old 18th July 2019, 03:14 PM   #115
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
I can't help but notice that this thread now has **** all to do with chanting
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Old 18th July 2019, 03:25 PM   #116
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Heh.

Even Trump isn't defending the chant:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/u...ald-trump.html
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Heh.

Even Trump isn't defending the chant:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/u...ald-trump.html
Oh, them crocodile tears.

They're merely repeating Trump's own message. It didn't bother him so much at the time, did it? He didn't say anything when it happened, did he?
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Old 18th July 2019, 03:46 PM   #118
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Yeah but Obama DID try.
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Heh.

Even Trump isn't defending the chant:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/u...ald-trump.html
He's lying. Watch the video and then tell me honestly that his smug face isn't enjoying every single second of it. He didn't even start speaking again until the chanting died down. It's as much a turn on for him as "lock her up" is.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...lhan_omar.html
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
He's lying. Watch the video and then tell me honestly that his smug face isn't enjoying every single second of it. He didn't even start speaking again until the chanting died down. It's as much a turn on for him as "lock her up" is.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...lhan_omar.html
This. He was positively glowing.

Hmm, has he locked her up yet? Even tried?
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Old 18th July 2019, 04:43 PM   #120
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Now that The PDJT has (sort of) said the chant was not a good thing, we'll hear from GOP members -- "Oh, I thought it was bad all the time!"

He claims he started speaking again quickly -- he most certainly did not. I can allow for the first several seconds as he might not have been able to discern what they were actually yelling. But he did wait for it to die down and didn't start speaking for several seconds after that.
The brat has just realised he did a bad thing and he is trying to blame someone else now...

It was the crowd who dun it, not him! He wasn't there! He tried to stop it!

Yeah, right.

The ultra-turd is now fully prepared to hang his own chanting MAGA crowd out to take the blame, as long as he doesn't have to take any. It's all about Donny, isn't it.
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