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Old 15th September 2019, 04:47 PM   #2281
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I saw a very recent CNN interview of Eric Holder today. He has sunk a little in my estimation. Because he recommends to NOT charge Trump after leaving office. Supposedly this would be too damaging to the country. WTF?! Talk about telegraphing the double standard of justice for the rich and powerful vs that for the rest of us. Is a demonstrably criminal President too big and important a national symbol to have to face the consequences of his misfeasance? Well then, talk about a freakin' good gig for the unscrupulous, with that door invitingly wide open under a sign reading, "Criminals Welcome!"

Even the law abiding are becoming desensitized to the harm being done. The banana republic of the US and A is just around the corner, at this rate.
Agreed. If Trump has committed a serious crime such as tax evasion, tax fraud, obstruction of justice, etc. then his having been the POTUS is all the more reason he would need to face justice...if only to confirm that the POTUS is not above the law.
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Old 15th September 2019, 05:25 PM   #2282
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
I saw a very recent CNN interview of Eric Holder today. He has sunk a little in my estimation. Because he recommends to NOT charge Trump after leaving office. Supposedly this would be too damaging to the country. WTF?! Talk about telegraphing the double standard of justice for the rich and powerful vs that for the rest of us. Is a demonstrably criminal President too big and important a national symbol to have to face the consequences of his misfeasance? Well then, talk about a freakin' good gig for the unscrupulous, with that door invitingly wide open under a sign reading, "Criminals Welcome!"

Even the law abiding are becoming desensitized to the harm being done. The banana republic of the US and A is just around the corner, at this rate.
That's why Ford pardoned Nixon. Bugger should have died in prison. So should Trump.
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Old 15th September 2019, 05:28 PM   #2283
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Are you a white collar criminal? Have you been running a con game to sucker people out of their hard earned money? Are you looking for a way to hide from the consequences of your crimes? Look no further than the White House! A successful run for the presidency will ensure that you escape criminal indictments for the rest of your life!

White Collar Criminals, Apply Now!!
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Old 15th September 2019, 06:18 PM   #2284
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Old 15th September 2019, 06:38 PM   #2285
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Are you a white collar criminal? Have you been running a con game to sucker people out of their hard earned money? Are you looking for a way to hide from the consequences of your crimes? Look no further than the White House! A successful run for the presidency will ensure that you escape criminal indictments for the rest of your life!

White Collar Criminals, Apply Now!!
Meh. Most white collar crime seems to have a very short statute of limitations anyway. Otherwise it's just civil litigation where you make sure to abuse the legal system to your advantage.
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Old 15th September 2019, 06:49 PM   #2286
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Meh. Most white collar crime seems to have a very short statute of limitations anyway. Otherwise it's just civil litigation where you make sure to abuse the legal system to your advantage.

Well, okay then; let's just throw in the towel and make it legal to commit any white collar crime you like as President without fear of prosecution.
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Old 15th September 2019, 06:55 PM   #2287
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Well, okay then; let's just throw in the towel and make it legal to commit any white collar crime you like as President without fear of prosecution.

Most of Trumps crimes could not be prosecuted anyway. What I am talking about is treating white collar crime with the same severity given to blue collar crime. If it was Trump would have been behind bars years ago.
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Old 15th September 2019, 07:00 PM   #2288
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The important additional fact is that he was given the world to use as his front lawn, and will most likely have it until 2014.
If only .....
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Old 15th September 2019, 07:34 PM   #2289
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The Fake News is saying that I am willing to meet with Iran, “No Conditions.” That is an incorrect statement (as usual!).

Here we go again with General Motors and the United Auto Workers. Get together and make a deal!
Haw, haw, haw! Pssst, Donnie! Time to press the Reset button again! That fake news about meeting with Iran with no conditions came from a lefty Hollywood type... guy by the name of Mnuchin!

He does this **** all the time. Bolton, Pompeo, DeVoss, Ross, Mnuchin, Graham,.... anyone, really.... will float some sort of trial balloon that had never occurred to anyone. The press picks it up and after a few days have passed and they determine that the Paducah Bund doesn't like it, he blames Fake News for something that originated with his cohorts.
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Old 15th September 2019, 07:50 PM   #2290
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Haw, haw, haw! Pssst, Donnie! Time to press the Reset button again! That fake news about meeting with Iran with no conditions came from a lefty Hollywood type... guy by the name of Mnuchin!

He does this **** all the time. Bolton, Pompeo, DeVoss, Ross, Mnuchin, Graham,.... anyone, really.... will float some sort of trial balloon that had never occurred to anyone. The press picks it up and after a few days have passed and they determine that the Paducah Bund doesn't like it, he blames Fake News for something that originated with his cohorts.
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Shortly after US President Donald Trump tweeted that he had fired his national security adviser John Bolton over very strong policy disagreements, Trump’s top diplomat and treasury chief reiterated that Trump has no preconditions to meet with Iran, but said the United States is not abandoning its maximum pressure campaign.

“The president has made very clear he is prepared to meet with no preconditions,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said at a joint press briefing with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin at the White House Tuesday.

Asked if he could foresee Trump meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the UN General Assembly later this month, Pompeo responded, “Sure.”

“The president has made clear he is happy to take a meeting with no preconditions, but we are maintaining the maximum pressure campaign,” Mnuchin said.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...#ixzz5zeXTHW2Y
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...on-ouster.html
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Old 15th September 2019, 08:15 PM   #2291
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post



Most of Trumps crimes could not be prosecuted anyway.

I don't think that's accurate. Money laundering can't be prosecuted? Fraud? Sexual Harassment/Rape? This is news to me.



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What I am talking about is treating white collar crime with the same severity given to blue collar crime.

You have a funny way of talking about it: You don't mention it at all! At least not until you're called out on it.
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Old 15th September 2019, 08:22 PM   #2292
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post



Most of Trumps crimes could not be prosecuted anyway.
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
I don't think that's accurate. Money laundering can't be prosecuted? Fraud? Sexual Harassment/Rape? This is news to me.
I think he was talking about Trump's hair.
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Old 15th September 2019, 08:46 PM   #2293
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I think he was talking about Trump's hair.

In many states crimes against nature are prosecutable, too.
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Old 15th September 2019, 09:39 PM   #2294
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Most of Trumps crimes could not be prosecuted anyway.
I don't think that's accurate. Money laundering can't be prosecuted? Fraud? Sexual Harassment/Rape? This is news to me.
Its possible that many of Trump's crimes are passed the statute of limitations (such as the accused rape of E. Jean Carroll). Other crimes would most likely result in fines rather than actual jail sentences (such as what happened with Trump University). Still more crimes could be prosecuted (and result in jail time), but the chance of conviction is low.

Fortunately, Trump keeps committing crimes, so even if the statute of limitations runs out on some of them, there will be plenty of others to prosecute.

To me, the big problem is finding a jury that will convict. Almost half of all people are Trump supporters, and even in a Democratic-leaning state like New York, there will still be a few of his supporters in the potential jury pool. All you would need is one of them to give a hung jury. (Sure, we have documents showing Trump taking bribes from foreign governments... but hillary is evil! Deep state! MAGA!)
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Old 15th September 2019, 10:02 PM   #2295
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I don't think that's accurate. Money laundering can't be prosecuted? Fraud? Sexual Harassment/Rape? This is news to me.


Statute of limitations. Run down the clock and you are free.
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Old 16th September 2019, 12:15 AM   #2296
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“We cannot have what happened to this President happen again.” Joe DiGenova. “It is time for Justice to come barreling in.” @LouDobbsCan you imagine that with everything going on in this World, the Witch Hunt, though on a respirator, is still whimpering along. A disgrace!
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Old 16th September 2019, 01:11 AM   #2297
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
I saw a very recent CNN interview of Eric Holder today. He has sunk a little in my estimation. Because he recommends to NOT charge Trump after leaving office. Supposedly this would be too damaging to the country. WTF?! Talk about telegraphing the double standard of justice for the rich and powerful vs that for the rest of us. Is a demonstrably criminal President too big and important a national symbol to have to face the consequences of his misfeasance? Well then, talk about a freakin' good gig for the unscrupulous, with that door invitingly wide open under a sign reading, "Criminals Welcome!"

Even the law abiding are becoming desensitized to the harm being done. The banana republic of the US and A is just around the corner, at this rate.
Holder has always advocated a different standard of justice for the powerful.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/...ed-and-burned/
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As a Justice Department functionary in 1999, Holder wrote the infamous “collateral consequences” memo, advising prosecutors to take into account economic damage that might result from criminally convicting a major corporation.

In 2013, he unwittingly earned his place in history for telling the Senate Judiciary Committee, “I am concerned that the size of some of these [financial] institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them,” which became known as the “Too Big to Jail” theory.
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Old 16th September 2019, 01:25 AM   #2298
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The reason why I see zero issue with hitting Trump with the full force of the Law after his term(s) is because he isn't a member of any political party - he wasn't before he got nominated, he won't be once out of office.
Suing his pants off isn't an attack on your political opponent, and no one who isn't criming as much as Trump will feel threatened by it in the future.
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Old 16th September 2019, 01:32 AM   #2299
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A lot of his base really do believe anything remotely MSM is "bunk," on par with the way we view "facts" as reported in chain emails sent to us from our rightwing great aunt.

The fact that the internet was recently filled with super-extreme fake news websites, doing stuff like imitating not just the visual presentation, but urls of real news websites, has made the whole MO maddeningly effective.
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Old 16th September 2019, 01:35 AM   #2300
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Suing his pants off isn't an attack on your political opponent, and no one who isn't criming as much as Trump will feel threatened by it in the future.
Well, the whole "cult of personality" aspect has made it where a lot of his base kind of see him as an extension of themselves. He's their avatar or something in their mind, and they really would freak out. I don't know what shape or form the freakout would take, but some of them would totally lose their **** in some form or fashion.
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Old 16th September 2019, 01:53 AM   #2301
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Well, the whole "cult of personality" aspect has made it where a lot of his base kind of see him as an extension of themselves. He's their avatar or something in their mind, and they really would freak out. I don't know what shape or form the freakout would take, but some of them would totally lose their **** in some form or fashion.
the Cult of Trump is much less a sign of how much The Right loves Trump and much more proof of how much it hates the GOP leadership.
Traditional Republicans won't shed a tear for Trump and would rejoice if he takes McConnell down with him.
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Isn’t censuring an option available to the House?

Wouldn’t that be easier than a guilty verdict on impeachment?

What would happen in that case? Other than annoying President Trump to no end.
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I think Warren is electable;I think she can come off as a moderate.
Bernie does not have a chance in hell of doing that. He just cannot keep from trying to relive his days as a 1960's radical.
And I would write off Biden so quickly.
That is because she will compromise to get legislation passed while Bernie doesn't care about getting any legislation passed.
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Statute of limitations. Run down the clock and you are free.

You're not free if you keep committing crimes. Like Trump.
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Its possible that many of Trump's crimes are passed the statute of limitations (such as the accused rape of E. Jean Carroll). Other crimes would most likely result in fines rather than actual jail sentences (such as what happened with Trump University).
There were no criminal investigations on that though, that was all civil and so couldn't result in anything but a fine.
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You're not free if you keep committing crimes. Like Trump.
...Oh, unless you make it to the White House. Then, according to Eric Holder, you should be completely free of prosecution. And as fair as I can tell you agree with Holder, since you seemed to scoff at my suggestion that it should be otherwise.
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House Judiciary has given up on the Mueller Report, sadly for them after two years and $40,000,000 spent - ZERO COLLUSION, ZERO OBSTRUCTION. So they say, OK, lets look at everything else, and all of the deals that “Trump” has done over his lifetime. But it doesn’t....

....work that way. I have a better idea. Look at the Obama Book Deal, or the ridiculous Netflix deal. Then look at all the deals made by the Dems in Congress, the “Congressional Slush Fund,” and lastly the IG Reports. Take a look at them. Those investigations would be over FAST!
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The @nytimes. “This week, the Senate passed a milestone in confirming the 150th Federal Judge of Mr. Trump’s Administration to a lifetime appointment, far outstripping Barack Obama’s pace and fulfilling pledges by Mr. Trump and Mr. O’Connell to remake the Federal Judiciary....

.....’These Conservative Judicial appointments will impact our nation for years to come,’ said Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who leads the Judiciary Committee and who has been speeding through Trump nominees.” The entire Court System is changing at a record pace!

Because we have done so well with Energy over the last few years (thank you, Mr. President!), we are a net Energy Exporter, & now the Number One Energy Producer in the World. We don’t need Middle Eastern Oil & Gas, & in fact have very few tankers there, but will help our Allies!

Producer prices in China shrank most in 3 years due to China’s big devaluation of their currency, coupled with monetary stimulus. Federal Reserve not watching? Will Fed ever get into the game? Dollar strongest EVER! Really bad for exports. No Inflation...Highest Interest Rates...

...The United States, because of the Federal Reserve, is paying a MUCH higher Interest Rate than other competing countries. They can’t believe how lucky they are that Jay Powell & the Fed don’t have a clue. And now, on top of it all, the Oil hit. Big Interest Rate Drop, Stimulus!

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“The New York Times walks back report on Kavanaugh assault claim.” @foxandfriends The one who is actually being assaulted is Justice Kavanaugh - Assaulted by lies and Fake News! This is all about the LameStream Media working with their partner, the Dems.

“What’s happening to Justice Kavanaugh is a disgrace. This guy is not a good man, he is a great man. He has to go to his church with his family while these terrible reports are being written about him, a disgrace!” Dan Bongino @foxandfriends

Just Out: “Kavanaugh accuser doesn’t recall incident.” @foxandfriends DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT THESE HORRIBLE PEOPLE WILL DO OR SAY. They are looking to destroy, and influence his opinions - but played the game badly. They should be sued!
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Because they can't do both?
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Watching Colbert earlier and Trump referred to his VP as Mike 'Pound', or something close.
I'd call him Mike 'Shilling', myself.
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I'd call him Mike 'Shilling', myself.
I'd go for "Hunt" but I'm childish and annoyed.
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For me, Trump's disgusting tweets say more about him than anything else. They reveal him to be a loathsome, childish, narcissistic, lying, abhorrent toad of a little man. I can only read so much before I start to feel literally nauseated and depressed. I have disliked many politicians in the past, most notably GWB for his disastrous invasion of Iraq based on a lie. But I loathe Trump so much more than GWB.
I know the feeling. I didnt think it possible but Bush2 made we wistful for Republicans of yore such as Bush1 and Bob Dole. It's weird now finding myself wistful for Bush2.
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Old 16th September 2019, 07:27 AM   #2314
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Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!
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Old 16th September 2019, 07:31 AM   #2315
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!
Didn't he just announce the US military was "locked and loaded" to fight whoever "the Kingdom" decided we should blame?
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I'd call him Mike 'Shilling', myself.
Nah, that's worth 12 of Pence, although as a verb it's appropriate. But monetarily, it should be farthing, or groat.
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Old 16th September 2019, 07:33 AM   #2317
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Didn't he just announce the US military was "locked and loaded" to fight whoever "the Kingdom" decided we should blame?
That tweet was from 2014, when the Kenyan Marxist Muslim Dictator was in office.
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Old 16th September 2019, 07:43 AM   #2318
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Nah, that's worth 12 of Pence, although as a verb it's appropriate. But monetarily, it should be farthing, or groat.
Of course a groat is worth sixteen farthings
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Remember when Iran shot down a drone, saying knowingly that it was in their “airspace” when, in fact, it was nowhere close. They stuck strongly to that story knowing that it was a very big lie. Now they say that they had nothing to do with the attack on Saudi Arabia. We’ll see?
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“Democrats would rather talk about gun control than get something done.” Governor John Sununu @FoxNews @BillHemmer The big questions are, will they “move the goalposts” and, is this just a ploy to TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY? I hope NOT on both counts, but I’ll be able to figure it out!

They failed on the Mueller Report, they failed on Robert Mueller’s testimony, they failed on everything else, so now the Democrats are trying to build a case that I enrich myself by being President. Good idea, except I will, and have always expected to, lose BILLIONS of DOLLARS..

....for the privilege of being your President - and doing the best job that has been done in many decades. I am far beyond somebody paying for a hotel room for the evening, or filling up a gas tank at an airport I do not own. These Radical Left Democrats are CRAZY! Obama Netflix?
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