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Old 25th December 2006, 01:35 PM   #1
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A long post on 911blogger.com by a deranged, semi-literate loon. It's fascinating that he gets NOTHING right. These are the people who want to change the world, who brand as "sheeple" others whose reasoning abilities are vastly superior. How can such an incredibly stupid person pontificate about subjects he can't begin to comprehend??

Submitted by RemoveBush on Mon, 12/25/2006 - 12:20am.

The Top September 11 Conspiracy Theories
This is a reply that I wrote to them....
I encourage everyone to do something similar.
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2006&m=A...
This article is really a farce!!!
I can tear it appart peice by peice.... Here.... Alow me!
1) The World Trade Center (WTC) twin towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions.
This is how the collapses may have appeared to non-experts, but demolition experts point out many differences:
* Demolition professionals always blow the bottom floors of a structure first, but the WTC tower collapses began at the upper levels, where the planes hit the buildings.
- Sure, but that does not mean that a building CANNOT be destroyed in this fashion. In fact, there are SEVERAL instances where DEMOLITIONS have destroyed the top part first and then blew the bottom part.
* Non-experts claim that debris seen blowing out of windows was evidence of explosive charges, but experts identify this as air and light office contents (paper, pulverized concrete, etc.) being forced out of windows as floors collapsed on each other.
- Please provide EVIDENCE that the building has that much ENERGY available to BLOW concrete in mid air into fine TINY particles. The building did NOT have that much KENETIC energy to do this on its own.
* Demolition firms had very sensitive seismographs operating at other sites in Manhattan on September 11. None recorded any explosions during the tower collapses.
- Could that be because perhaps the cores were taken out by THERMATE????? There is EVIDENCE that this happened. There were pictures of peices of the CORE standing in the middle of a pile of rubble with a 45 degree cut made to it. Your gonna try and tell me that the resuce workers worked their way through all that rubble just to cut a beam?
* Clean-up crews found none of the telltale signs of controlled demolitions that would have existed if explosive charges had been used.
- You mean like EVERYTHING being destroyed??? You mean like the concrete being pulverized into fine particles IN MID AIR??? You mean like not any substantial part of the building, of 3 buildings, not even still standing???? You mean like that type of sign??
* Cutting away walls, insulation, plumbing, and electrical conduits to place numerous charges on the towers’ structural columns in advance would not have gone unnoticed.
- You have to be kidding!!!! Thats what stairs and service elevators are for. Thats why several tenents heard unusual sounds coming from above them when there were no residents in that part of the floor??? You mean the fact that several tenents were shifted around just weeks before 9/11????
* For more information, see ImplosionWorld’s article on the WTC collapses, the National Institute of Science and Technology’s “Answers to Frequently Asked Questions,” and Popular Mechanics, parts 4 and 5.
- Popular Mechanics??? PLEASE! They are such a wite wash that they should call them selfs the 9/11 Commission Continued.
2) No plane hit the Pentagon on September 11. Instead, it was a missile fired by elements “from inside the American state apparatus.”
Conspiracy theorists making this claim ignore several facts:
* The remains of the bodies of the crew and passengers of American Airlines flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site, and positively identified by DNA.
- Sure! Let's see..... The government can't produce one strand of evidence that the plane hit the building, with the 80 plus video's, but you want the people to believe that they identified all of the victims???
* The flight’s black boxes were also recovered at the site.
- Yeah, and the pilots for 911 truth have analyzed the data and found the plane to be to the left and 400 ft above where YOU say it was. NTSB refuses to address this discrepency and will not talk about it.
* Numerous eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Some saw passengers through the plane’s windows. Missiles don’t have windows or carry passengers.
- PLEASE! If the plane was going 560 MPH, as we are told, there is NO WAY ANYONE would be able to see people. They would have to of been watching the plane miles out, and most of the witnesses say they saw it fly over their vehicle. Nice try, next time try and make up something a little more believeable.
* Numerous photographs show airplane debris at the crash site, as was also witnessed by survivors and rescue personnel. See sections 4:57 to 6:00 of the “911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77” video for pictures of airliner debris.
- Most of the 911 truth movement people do not deny that "A" plane hit the Pentagon. Just not flight 77. The belief is that the plane fired a missle, which makes more sense by the destruction and holes left, just before the impact. Debris was not, has not, been 100% IDENTIFIED as being flight 77. The NTSB DID NOT identify the MANY traceable parts from the plane. There was ONLY ONE engine found, from a TWO engine plane.
* For more information, see “Did a Plane Hit the Pentagon?” and Popular Mechanics, part 6.
- See my previous comment on Popular Mechanics.
3) The planes that hit the World Trade Center towers were remotely controlled.
* Boeing, which manufactured the planes that struck the towers, stated that all its commercial jet transports are configured so that they can only be controlled from the flight deck of the aircraft.
- Notice how it says "configured".... This means that the plane can also be "configured" to be controlled from another source. It is software and software can be uploaded in a matter of minutes.
* Passengers onboard the flights made several phone calls. All reported that hijackers had commandeered the planes.
- And there is also voice morphing software that can simulate a persons voice. In a condition such as 9/11, people are going to ignore innomalies in a persons voice and contribute it to stress or distress.
* For more information, see “Did a Plane Hit the Pentagon?”
4) United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, was shot down by a missile.
* The cockpit voice recorder of this flight was recovered and showed that the passenger revolt caused the hijackers to deliberately crash the plane. The hijackers controlled the plane until its impact. See full transcript.
- The trasncript is MISSING 3 minutes of the recording. The plane is said to have crashed at 10:06, but the recording stops at 10:03. Again, the pilots for 911 truth have analyzed the data from the NTSB and prove that the debris feild is INCORRECT for a plane traveling at this speed and angle.
* The U.S. military did not learn that flight 93 had been hijacked until four minutes after it crashed, as recently released tapes demonstrate.
- I have to hold off on this, but I do recal reading that they were in fact informed.
* The military never gave interceptor pilots authorization to shoot down United flight 93. See article on tapes.
- Acording to one place I read, a high ranking military official states this is not the case!
* Listen to the 45-second message left by flight attendant CeeCee Lyles on her home answering machine. Click on the “Lyles” file or the phone icon in the bottom left corner of the flight 93 page.
- Nobody said that she did not leave a message.
* For more information, see The 9/11 Commission Report chapter 1, “We Have Some Planes,”pages 13-14.
- There is NO WAY that a pilot is going to give up control of his plane to someone who says they can fly. PERIOD!
5) World Trade Center building 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition.
* This allegation was fueled by a comment by the WTC owner that, after WTC 7 was judged to be unstable, he recommended pulling a group of firefighters out of the building, using the phrase “pull it” in reference to the contingent of firefighters. For more details, see 9/11 Revealed?
- Sure...... Like Larry is in charge of the Firefighters!!! Like he gives the word as to whether or not the firemen should continue fighting a building fire. Like he does not know what the "term" means??? His whole life has been in realestate, and I am sure that in that time he has been witness to one and the termanology used in one.
* Conspiracy theorists have interpreted the “pull it” remark as slang for demolishing the building with explosives. But demolition experts say “pulling” a building means attaching long cables to a weakened structure and literally pulling it down with bulldozers and other powerful machinery – not using explosives.
- So now your stating that Larry does in fact know that the word "pull it" means to destroy a building!!! It does not matter the means to do it by! The word basically means to destroy the building.
* Seismographs recorded no telltale spikes or anomalies that would have indicated the use of explosives.
- There would not be any with THERMATE would there?
* For more information, see ImplosionWorld article, the National Institute of Science and Technology’s “Answers to Frequently Asked Questions,” and Popular Mechanics, part 5.
6) Insider trading in the stocks of United Airlines and American Airlines just before September 11 is evidence of advance knowledge of the plot.
* The 9/11 Commission investigated this issue in detail, concluding, “Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation.”
- BULL!!! There was NEVER a detailed investigation into this! They stated that "there is no need to follow the money", so what investigation did they do?
* For example, it stated, “much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American [Airlines stock] on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades.”
- Sure! What about those options that were placed Anonymously??? It cannot happen without being an "INSIDE SOURCE".
* For other examples, see The 9/11 Commission Report, “Notes” section, page 499, footnote 130.
- You mean the 911 Ommission Commission Report?
7) Four thousand Jews failed to show up for work at the World Trade Center on September 11.
* It appears from media reports that some 10-15% of WTC victims were Jewish, indicating there were no mass absences.
- No info here so no comment.
* The “4,000” figure apparently came from an early statement by the Israeli Foreign Ministry that some “4,000 Israelis” were believed to be in the New York and Washington areas, where the attacks occurred. This figure was apparently seized upon by conspiracy theorists, in an attempt to bolster the false rumor.
- Right, just like there were no text warnings to stay away from the building on 9/11?
* For more information, see “The 4,000 Jews Rumor.”
8) Al Qaida is not responsible for the September 11 attacks.
* Al Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, have repeatedly confirmed that they planned and carried out the September 11 attacks.
- Sure, the "FATTY" OBL did. However, the real OBL stated just after the attacks that he had no part in it. This was the last CLEAR video from OBL. All other video's are grainy and distorted, HMMMMM.
* In an audiotape released on May 23, 2006, bin Laden stated, “I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers … with those raids ….”
- Like I believe an audio tape from this LYING administration.
* In a November 2001 tape, bin Laden said, “We calculated in advance the number of casualties … who would be killed …. I was the most optimistic of them all. … Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only.”
- RIGHT! Here is where your story falls all apart! If their intentions are to kill as many as possible, then why not take a flight later in the day when the buildings would be completely full??? Instead of killing just 3,000 it could have been over 10,000. Very kind of the terrorists to be so concerned about keeping the death tolls to a minimum. You know what??? Only the government worries about death tolls and keeping destruction to a minimum, not terrorists.
* For more information, see “Al Qaeda and September 11th.”
- Being a VET, I know that there are planes fueled and waiting on a tarmac in many bases through out the US, and can be in the air in a minutes notice. The only way they would not be is if they were prevented by someone higher up.
Pretty strange how on this one day the government was performing so many of the samy types of exercises that were taking place that very day??? Odd that Cheney had one of the games moved from October to September 11th. HMMMMM.
Odd how that NOT ONE of the military protocals worked that day???
Odd how NO ONE was fired or demoted for the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor.
Odd how the Secret Service did NOTHING that day for the president!!! It is SS protocal to remove the president from ANY possible threat. I would say that having planes in the air and not knowing how many or where they were is a threat! Oh and this "he did not want to scare the kids" is crap! If that was the case he would not have told the world on live TV that we were under attack in front of those kids. This surely scared them more then if he would have just gotten up and dealt with the situation.
Next time train your puppets better!
The truth is on the march and you people will be shot soon for TREASON!
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Old 25th December 2006, 01:46 PM   #2
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How Loony are the Loons?

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Old 25th December 2006, 01:49 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by pomeroo View Post
A long post on 911blogger.com by a deranged, semi-literate loon.

snip snip snip
The truth is on the march and you people will be shot soon for TREASON!
What scares me is these nut cases are at some point going to be so frustrated that no one is taking them seriously that they may attempt to take the 'LAW' as they interpret it into their own hands. maybe it is time for the more public debunker's to start looking over their shoulder or be careful shaking hands in public with some nut who may have his other hand in his coat pocket.
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Old 25th December 2006, 01:49 PM   #4
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Guy sounds like a fruitcake with extra nuts.
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Old 25th December 2006, 02:29 PM   #5
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Old 25th December 2006, 02:35 PM   #6
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How Loony are the Loons?

Pretty Loony.

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Old 25th December 2006, 03:07 PM   #7
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Guy sounds like a fruitcake with extra nuts.
Kettlepot much?
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Old 25th December 2006, 05:38 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade View Post
Kettlepot much?
Finally! Thank you!
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Old 25th December 2006, 05:44 PM   #9
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Stop acting loony. The Reptoids are watching. They hate it if you act loony.
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Old 25th December 2006, 06:50 PM   #10
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Unhappy This is what scares me...

Next time train your puppets better!
The truth is on the march and you people will be shot soon for TREASON!


The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world.

The utopia they want to create sounds a lot more terrifying than the one they accuse us of living in. I just hope that these loons are never let near positions of power, or, more importantly, weapons of mass destruction. Sadly, as Tim McVeigh shows us, they have.
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Old 25th December 2006, 08:18 PM   #11
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Purges

In the unlikely event a Truther or conspiracy type gained real political power, I'm sure we would start having lots of purges. The same mental disorder that causes CTs to see conspiracies that don't exist would cause them to perceive a pervasive internal threat.

The globalists are everywhere! The Black Brotherhood has cels in every city! The whole country is infested with world-government sympathizers! They say Milwaukee has gone over to the globalists...

So life would turn into a bunch of purges, with "evidence" of more and more conspirators showing up all the time. It would be a nightmare of insanity--worse than Republican rule, if that's possible.

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So life would turn into a bunch of purges, with "evidence" of more and more conspirators showing up all the time. It would be a nightmare of insanity
And the really sad part is, we'd probably have to start a real conspiracy to regain our freedom under such a government. Self-fulfilling paranoia!
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Originally Posted by 28th Kingdom View Post
Guy sounds like a fruitcake with extra nuts.
The post I quoted is the answer to the OP.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan View Post
In the unlikely event a Truther or conspiracy type gained real political power, I'm sure we would start having lots of purges. The same mental disorder that causes CTs to see conspiracies that don't exist would cause them to perceive a pervasive internal threat.

The globalists are everywhere! The Black Brotherhood has cels in every city! The whole country is infested with world-government sympathizers! They say Milwaukee has gone over to the globalists...

So life would turn into a bunch of purges, with "evidence" of more and more conspirators showing up all the time. It would be a nightmare of insanity--worse than Republican rule, if that's possible.
I suspect Alex Jones would pen a tome called the SheepleSledge and eventually be beheaded by fake al-Qaeda in a room with a suspicious white chair.

Debunkers would be forced to sign confessions that they denied the Trooooth.

And I kinda doubt the Jews would fare very well.
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Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter View Post
Next time train your puppets better!
The truth is on the march and you people will be shot soon for TREASON!


The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world.

The utopia they want to create sounds a lot more terrifying than the one they accuse us of living in. I just hope that these loons are never let near positions of power, or, more importantly, weapons of mass destruction. Sadly, as Tim McVeigh shows us, they have.
I agree completely with this. They say they're trying to protect us from the NWO, but at the same time are advocating their own NWO, complete with political assasinations, segregation and a dictatorship.

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So life would turn into a bunch of purges, with "evidence" of more and more conspirators showing up all the time. It would be a nightmare of insanity
We can already see that today, look at for instance:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...showtopic=1831
  • 2 people believe he's been got at by some agency.
  • 8 people believe he's a JREF'er lol.
  • and 6 people believe he's always believed the official story...
    Meanwhile,
  • Only 10 believe he has changed his mind on the evidence.

I don't know how much we need to read into such (probably inaccurate) polls, but this one at least does seem to paint a fairly paranoid picture.

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Good fisking, Ron. As Perry often comments, the Deniers are mostly made up of white males of subnormal intelligence. As we can see with this post, that might be generous.
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Originally Posted by TheChadd View Post
I agree completely with this. They say they're trying to protect us from the NWO, but at the same time are advocating their own NWO, complete with political assasinations, segregation and a dictatorship.



We can already see that today, look at for instance:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...showtopic=1831
  • 2 people believe he's been got at by some agency.
  • 8 people believe he's a JREF'er lol.
  • and 6 people believe he's always believed the official story...
    Meanwhile,
  • Only 10 believe he has changed his mind on the evidence.
I don't know how much we need to read into such (probably inaccurate) polls, but this one at least does seem to paint a fairly paranoid picture.
interesting that a relative majority does think he changed his mind

although the jrefer answer pretty much includes the "always beleived the official story" answer

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I will not say what I voted but personally... I can't really see how you can go against the laws of physics.
i have yet to see any truther accurately explain how any part of the offical story violates the laws of physics
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Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe View Post
interesting that a relative majority does think he changed his mind
*cough* Plurality */cough*
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Old 25th December 2006, 11:08 PM   #18
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Its easy to be a conspiracy theorist, just make up as much stuff as you can, when someone disproves you on one point, spin and make another point, then accuse the person of being part of the conspiracy.

If they took as much time working towards a degree as they do chasing windmills and coming up with grand theories, they would escape their mother's basement.
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I like this guy!!!

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Old 26th December 2006, 07:29 AM   #20
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Case in point, arguing with a lunatic now on another board, he claims secret Antartic bases, hole in the earth, yadda yadda.

I told him that satellite imaging would point that out.

His reply: There are no satellites that can fly over Antartica.

Ignorance so appalling, guess he has never heard of the thousands of spy satellites and weather sattelites and GPS satellites.

So many kooks, so little time. (oh, and he is a truther, big surprise!)

Scientific ignorance is so big in this country.
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Originally Posted by pomeroo View Post
A long post on 911blogger.com by a deranged, semi-literate loon. It's fascinating that he gets NOTHING right. These are the people who want to change the world, who brand as "sheeple" others whose reasoning abilities are vastly superior. How can such an incredibly stupid person pontificate about subjects he can't begin to comprehend??

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I can't help but just shake my head in disbelief when reading rants like these. The lack of education shown is just appalling; I mean, if they wanted to tout a conspiracy theory, they could at least come up with something that couldn't be so easily disproven.

To be honest though, I think the number of CT's out there belies a much bigger problem here in the US, and that is our crumbling education system. If these people (or all of us for that matter) were made to actually learn in school, instead of just reciting "facts" from school books in order to pass a grade, maybe everyone would have a little better reasoning skills.

But of course, we live in an age where, if little Timmy can't pass the 4th grade for some reason, the answer is not to focus on helping Timmy, but to "fix" the standards so that everyone, including Timmy, can pass on to the next grade.

I'm just thankful that the JREF is here to do it's part in educating America, I just wish our school system was on board...



Completely OT: DarkMagician, what's your avatar from? It looks familiar...
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Old 26th December 2006, 08:37 AM   #23
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What bothers me is that it's a very small step between "I believe the government is evil, and those that work for them are planning a coup" and "I need to take physical action to save the country from evil men". We can see this happen with the militia movement in the 90s. At first you can dismiss them as kooks. After Oklahoma, it was clear that it had crossed the line.

Let's put it this way. If you really believed that thousands of NY firemen, FBI officers, Police, military personnel and government officials were involved in mass murder in order to institute martial law, then why *wouldn't* you be taking arms against this alleged evil? It really is only a matter of time before one of the kooks cross that line.

Then again, given their limited knowledge in demolitions, chemistry and basic physics how much harm could they do?

"Huh. This thermite doesn't take down buildings. I wonder why it worked so well for the Jews?"

Sadly, there isn't a solution to this inevitable threat. You can't preemptively arrest people for being a loon.
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Old 26th December 2006, 10:49 AM   #24
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So life would turn into a bunch of purges, with "evidence" of more and more conspirators showing up all the time. It would be a nightmare of insanity--worse than Republican rule, if that's possible.
Seems like it's about time for another Inquisition, particularly as nobody would expect that.
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Old 26th December 2006, 10:51 AM   #25
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The denizens of alt.conspiracy are by far the looniest of the loony.

Here's just one shining example:

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I'm arguing here that Alex Jones tells 99% truth. its the 1% of the
puzzle that he doesn't focus on that bothers me. I believe and many are
working it out that Alex Jones is a zionist whore. His job is to hold
the 911 truth and false flag terrorism against a mysterious agency
called the NWO but in fact this agency is nothing more than a jewish
mafia called the zionist cabal. They are not unlike the italian mafia
but they are 1000 times mroe powerful than the italian mafia ever were.

You really must investigate 9/11 if you believe in truth and justice.
Alex Jones has written a few good films such as TerrorStorm which you
can watch free on video-google.
But a more reliable source of focus is www.iamthewitness.com
If you would just peruse that website and check the sources you are in
for the biggest shock of your life.

Everybody has to ull together and help us get through these difficult
times.

ignorance of zionism will kill you.
And another gem from the same guy:

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We should also focus on the fraudulent scientists who support the
official explanation of the collapse of WTC 1 AND 2.

Its really come down to this now: If you want to defeat these criminals
hen start sending death threats to the zionist whore scientists
supporting the official mantra.

its now or never. The end game is in full swing and inevitably we will
have to take up arms. The sooner we take up sniper rifles and start
assassinating the traitors the less blood we will have to spill down
the track.
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Old 26th December 2006, 11:03 AM   #26
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That's just scary...

I know that last bit doesn't exactly fall under "Conspiracy to commit murder" (you have to have a specific target if I remember correctly), but still, I wonder how legal that is?

I really hope the FBI is at least watching this guy. Whether it confirms his beliefs to himself or not, messages like that should most deffinately not be ignored.
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Originally Posted by Crazycowbob View Post
That's just scary...

I know that last bit doesn't exactly fall under "Conspiracy to commit murder" (you have to have a specific target if I remember correctly), but still, I wonder how legal that is?

I really hope the FBI is at least watching this guy. Whether it confirms his beliefs to himself or not, messages like that should most deffinately not be ignored.
one of these days a CT nut is going to start shooting people or blow up a building like OKC and the other CT nuts are going to claim its an inside job and/or psyop.....grim but ironic
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Just when you think people couldn't get any wackier, someone raises the wackbar.
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Originally Posted by jhunter1163 View Post
Just when you think people couldn't get any wackier, someone raises the wackbar.
whack bar? i thought they closed that place down....

*looks down in gutter*
hey whats my mind doing in there!
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Old 26th December 2006, 11:24 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe View Post
whack bar? i thought they closed that place down....

*looks down in gutter*
hey whats my mind doing in there!

They had to move it to, let's say, a less desirable area. Not that I know where it is or anything...
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Old 26th December 2006, 11:30 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by Gbob View Post
What bothers me is that it's a very small step between "I believe the government is evil, and those that work for them are planning a coup" and "I need to take physical action to save the country from evil men". We can see this happen with the militia movement in the 90s. At first you can dismiss them as kooks. After Oklahoma, it was clear that it had crossed the line.

Let's put it this way. If you really believed that thousands of NY firemen, FBI officers, Police, military personnel and government officials were involved in mass murder in order to institute martial law, then why *wouldn't* you be taking arms against this alleged evil? It really is only a matter of time before one of the kooks cross that line.

Then again, given their limited knowledge in demolitions, chemistry and basic physics how much harm could they do?

"Huh. This thermite doesn't take down buildings. I wonder why it worked so well for the Jews?"

Sadly, there isn't a solution to this inevitable threat. You can't preemptively arrest people for being a loon.
This is why I'm scared. Lincoln observed that if America was to be destroyed, it would be from within, and he had a point. And it does not take that much knowledge of demolitions, chemistry, and physics to cause chaos.

Aside: I was attending grade school down the block when the Weathermen blew up that building on Greenwich Village's 11th Street back in 1971. They were making bombs, and something went wrong. It doesn't take much.

Back to the point: these guys are not too likely to take over the government, despite their fantasies of doing so in a situation where the US has degenerated into a "Mad Max" or Stephen King's "The Stand" condition, and they are able to walk into government buildings and take over the armories and computer terminals. Such a scenario is more than unlikely -- despite our problems, Americans do pull together in times of crisis, as 9/11 actually shows.

(It's also worth nothing that these guys' scenarios of taking power depend on other things falling apart so they can take power without any risk. Some revolutionaries they are)

They are, however, capable of causing all kinds of chaos, as Oklahoma City and "The Order" have shown, and that would cause needless tragedy and loss of innocent life.

I'll also note that if these CT'ers by some miracle were able to take power, they would face a very quick counter-revolution, most likely led by diaffected adherents believing the new leaders are "selling out." Revolutions are nourished by the blood of their makers.

Their intense paranoia also mitigates against them taking power...they can't build up a mass movement when they think all the masses are government shills.

Of course, this will not be the case when I take power!
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Their intense paranoia also mitigates against them taking power...they can't build up a mass movement when they think all the masses are government shills.

Of course, this will not be the case when I take power!
And I'd be right thar with ya, Kiwi! I can already anticipate the first 100 hours of Kiwi Rule:

1. Destruction of Wikipedia, replace with Kiwipedia.

2. Change the Constitution to: Kiwi the People, in order to form a more perfect union...

3. New National Fruit: Kiwi

4. New National Anthem to be written by Francis Scott Kiwi.

5. New National Movie: Kiwiblanca

6. QWERTY keyboard to be replaced by BIRDY kiwiboard.

7. New National Church to be built called The Crystal Kiwithedral.

8. All Wiccans to be converted to Kiwiccans.

9. New School Curriculum for grades Kiwi through 12.

10. Next U.S. President: Kiwi Herman

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And I'd be right thar with ya, Kiwi! I can already anticipate the first 100 hours of Kiwi Rule:

1. Destruction of Wikipedia, replace with Kiwipedia.

2. Change the Constitution to: Kiwi the People, in order to form a more perfect union...

3. New National Fruit: Kiwi

4. New National Anthem to be written by Francis Scott Kiwi.

5. New National Movie: Kiwiblanca

6. QWERTY keyboard to be replaced by BIRDY kiwiboard.

7. New National Church to be built called The Crystal Kiwithedral.

8. All Wiccans to be converted to Kiwiccans.

9. New School Curriculum for grades Kiwi through 12.

10. Next U.S. President: Kiwi Herman
I, for one, welcome our new Kiwi overlords.
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I, for one, welcome our new Kiwi overlords.
If they need anyone to toil in their underground sugar mines... well, then they can just kiss my hairy ass.
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Originally Posted by JimBenArm View Post
I, for one, welcome our new Kiwi overlords.
I was always suspicious of kiwis...




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Old 26th December 2006, 03:09 PM   #36
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I was always suspicious of kiwis...

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Don't worry, we know already. We have been keeping an eye on you. You all though it's the quiet one sitting on his own in the corner that's dangerous. And New Zealand IS the quiet country all alone in the corner...

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Originally Posted by ConspiRaider View Post
And I'd be right thar with ya, Kiwi! I can already anticipate the first 100 hours of Kiwi Rule:

1. Destruction of Wikipedia, replace with Kiwipedia.

2. Change the Constitution to: Kiwi the People, in order to form a more perfect union...

3. New National Fruit: Kiwi

4. New National Anthem to be written by Francis Scott Kiwi.

5. New National Movie: Kiwiblanca

6. QWERTY keyboard to be replaced by BIRDY kiwiboard.

7. New National Church to be built called The Crystal Kiwithedral.

8. All Wiccans to be converted to Kiwiccans.

9. New School Curriculum for grades Kiwi through 12.

10. Next U.S. President: Kiwi Herman

That's hilarious!
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And another gem from the same guy:

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We should also focus on the fraudulent scientists who support the
official explanation of the collapse of WTC 1 AND 2.

Its really come down to this now: If you want to defeat these criminals
hen start sending death threats to the zionist whore scientists
supporting the official mantra.

its now or never. The end game is in full swing and inevitably we will
have to take up arms. The sooner we take up sniper rifles and start
assassinating the traitors the less blood we will have to spill down
the track.
And to think any of us would go to jail for beating him up.

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Allow me to enlighten some of the people here who have a comprehension problem.

"Kiwiwriter - The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world."

This person can clearly not read!!! The reply was not to "ordinary folks" it was to the US GOVERNMENT! I guess this is what's wrong with our country these days, as someone above posted, our schools are not teaching the basics. He/She cannot clearly read!

"Crazycowbob - I can't help but just shake my head in disbelief when reading rants like these. The lack of education shown is just appalling; I mean, if they wanted to tout a conspiracy theory, they could at least come up with something that couldn't be so easily disproven."

Though this person indicates he/she is a scholar, I seriously doubt that! They fail to acknowledge that PHYSICS is something that cannot be denied. Physics is something that PROVES that the WTC's were brought down by something OTHER than a plane and fires. Here are some very simple questions for you scholar..... 1) What is the Free fall speed of an object dropped from the top of the WTC's? 2) What was the speed at which the buildings fell?? 3) Provide Scientific evidence by experimentation or imperical evidence that the core would have been completly destroyed and that the concrete would have vaporized in mid air like it did.

Since, as you say, it can be "easily disproven" then by all means enlighten us. After all, there are hundreds of HIGH level government officials and Military personnel that believe 9/11 was something other than what we were told. So are all these people "high on crack" as you imply?

I won't hold my breath on a civilized debate, as most of the comments have shown that you simply want to attack and call names of those people who do not follow in lockstep like you do with the official version.

I bet that most of you deniers believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman??? Despite the fact that ballistics has shown that a bullet will enter the body with a small hole and exit in a larger one. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown out. Scientific proof, but you still deny this fact!
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I like your moniker, RemoveBush. But what conspirator would be dumb enough to break the laws of physics? Wouldn't that totally give away the plan?

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