[Merged] Who will win the Republican nomination?/ Republikan Klown Kar, 2024 - Page 2

Stacyhs · 1st June 2023, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

The quote was in the novel; I don't think it was in the movie. The concept was in the movie though. The movie was more of a tongue-in-cheek satire of the fascism and authoritarianism that were played straight in the original novel.

My husband is a Heinlein fan so I'm sure he's read it.

Orphia Nay · 1st June 2023, 08:38 PM

It looks like it'll just be a battle between Trump and DeSantis.

Of the two, DeSantis is the scarier option, and I'm filled with doom at the prospect of Trump.

dudalb · 1st June 2023, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Ah. I never saw "Starship Troopers". I'm not a sci-fi fan.

Let us just say the movie is a LOT different then the novel.

Nosi · 1st June 2023, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by ToddH

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?

The Great Zaganza · 1st June 2023, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

The quote was in the novel; I don't think it was in the movie. The concept was in the movie though. The movie was more of a tongue-in-cheek satire of the fascism and authoritarianism that were played straight in the original novel.

It was.

They had a number of spectacular recruitment videos in the movie.

They also had a female trooper say she joined because she wanted to have kids, and it was easier to get permission to get some if you've been in the military.

smartcooky · 1st June 2023, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by ToddH

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?

Nice movie reference anyway!

Norman Alexander · 1st June 2023, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Originally Posted by ToddH

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?

Not necessarily. There are other requirements including:

Quote:

"Demonstrate that if separated from service, you were separated under honorable conditions;
Be a lawful permanent resident at the time of your naturalization interview;
Meet certain residence and physical presence requirements;
Demonstrate the ability to read, write and speak English, unless qualified for a waiver or exception;
Demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and government, unless excepted;
Demonstrate good moral character for at least five years before filing your N-400 through the day you naturalize; and
Demonstrate an attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution and be well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States during all relevant periods under the law, unless waived."

I suspect a whole bunch of Republicans would get deported if these tests were applied to them, particularly the highlighted bits. And VERY especially the "speak and read English" part.*

* I'm not saying that they have second languages. I'm saying they are barely competent with the one-and-only language they do have.

Gulliver Foyle · Yesterday, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

It's only the first of June, 2023; and there are already a multiplicity of candidates? Can we match the craziness of 2015/16?

Anyhow, best I (or USA Today) can tell, we've already got these candidates:
Donald Trump
Ron DeSantis
Larry Elder (who?)
Nikki Haley
Asa Hutchinson
Vivek Ramaswamy
Tim Scott
Chris Christie (probably)
Mike Pence (probably)

Trump is the probable nominee. If not, he'll continue running against the actual nominee, ensuring a Biden victory, which Trump will blame on the Republican nominee.
Otherwise:
DeSantis is the only realistic option for today's Christo-fascist Republican party. Since he'd be both more evil and more competent than Trump, very scary to me.
Larry Elder is unknown and black. No chance.
Nikki Haley is female and non-white. Though she does her best to look white. Possible Veep selection.
Asa Hutchinson is an unknown nonentity. That works for Dems (think Carter and Clinton) but not R's.
Vivek Ramaswamy: Unknown, funny name, probably a terrorist.
Tim Scott: Black. Competent. Not ever going to be nominated by the R's.
Fat Chris Christie: Did every thing he could to secure Trump's VP nomination four years ago, including carrying Trump's luggage. Running for Veep again.
Mike Pence: Small change. No Democrat and 95% of Republicans would never vote for him.

Your thoughts?

Nikki Haley's attempts to be white skinned probably have little to do with western racism.

jimbob · Yesterday, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I suspect a whole bunch of Republicans would get deported if these tests were applied to them, particularly the highlighted bits. And VERY especially the "speak and read English" part.*

* I'm not saying that they have second languages. I'm saying they are barely competent with the one-and-only language they do have.

I'm trying to popularize the word, which I think I came up with, "demiglot" or should it be "hemiglot"?

Norman Alexander · Yesterday, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

I'm trying to popularize the word, which I think I came up with, "demiglot" or should it be "hemiglot"?

Frank Newgent · Yesterday, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

It's only the first of June, 2023; and there are already a multiplicity of candidates? Can we match the craziness of 2015/16?

Anyhow, best I (or USA Today) can tell, we've already got these candidates:
Donald Trump
Ron DeSantis
Larry Elder (who?)
Nikki Haley
Asa Hutchinson
Vivek Ramaswamy
Tim Scott
Chris Christie (probably)
Mike Pence (probably)

Trump is the probable nominee. If not, he'll continue running against the actual nominee, ensuring a Biden victory, which Trump will blame on the Republican nominee.
Otherwise:
DeSantis is the only realistic option for today's Christo-fascist Republican party. Since he'd be both more evil and more competent than Trump, very scary to me.
Larry Elder is unknown and black. No chance.
Nikki Haley is female and non-white. Though she does her best to look white. Possible Veep selection.
Asa Hutchinson is an unknown nonentity. That works for Dems (think Carter and Clinton) but not R's.
Vivek Ramaswamy: Unknown, funny name, probably a terrorist.
Tim Scott: Black. Competent. Not ever going to be nominated by the R's.
Fat Chris Christie: Did every thing he could to secure Trump's VP nomination four years ago, including carrying Trump's luggage. Running for Veep again.
Mike Pence: Small change. No Democrat and 95% of Republicans would never vote for him.

Your thoughts?

Christie will tear, especially, Trump a new one. But DeSantis, too. Doubtful running mate.

Donal · Yesterday, 05:21 AM

I've been listening to the Behind the Bastards series on Vince McMahon and going down the YouTube rabbit hole of pro wrestling videos, so I'm thinking now would be a good time for Obama to rejuvenate his career with the ultimate heel turn.

ZiprHead · Yesterday, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Christie will tear, especially, Trump a new one. But DeSantis, too. Doubtful running mate.

DeSantis has gone full on anti-vaxxer.

Inside Ron DeSantis’s Plan to Ride Anti-vaxxism to the White House

Orphia Nay · Yesterday, 09:19 PM

Quote:

CHICAGO (AP) — The first 2024 Republican presidential debate will be held Aug. 23, the Republican National Committee announced Friday, with a second debate the following night should it be needed.

The RNC also detailed the criteria that will be used for candidates to qualify for the debate stage, including a pledge to support the eventual Republican presidential nominee. That requirement could keep some candidates off the stage, including former President Donald Trump, who hasn’t committed to supporting the nominee if he doesn’t emerge from the primary. Trump also has questioned why he would participate since he holds a commanding lead in GOP primary polls.

The debate will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which also will be the site of the party’s nominating convention next year. It’s a nod to the importance of the battleground state, which is likely to be key to a presidential victory again in 2024.

https://apnews.com/article/6cc406eb0...f59acb30d71e95

Venom · Yesterday, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Nikki Haley's attempts to be white skinned probably have little to do with western racism.

Well funny thing is she's perceived as a generic white by many Americans who don't know her origins.

She's basically accomplished what Bobby Jindal couldn't without trying very hard.

Stacyhs · Yesterday, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Quote:

Quote:
CHICAGO (AP) — The first 2024 Republican presidential debate will be held Aug. 23, the Republican National Committee announced Friday, with a second debate the following night should it be needed.

The RNC also detailed the criteria that will be used for candidates to qualify for the debate stage, including a pledge to support the eventual Republican presidential nominee. That requirement could keep some candidates off the stage, including former President Donald Trump, who hasn’t committed to supporting the nominee if he doesn’t emerge from the primary. Trump also has questioned why he would participate since he holds a commanding lead in GOP primary polls.

The debate will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which also will be the site of the party’s nominating convention next year. It’s a nod to the importance of the battleground state, which is likely to be key to a presidential victory again in 2024.

https://apnews.com/article/6cc406eb0...f59acb30d71e95

Trump would just say he would and then not honor his word....because he has no honor.

1st June 2023, 08:38 PM	#42
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,936	It looks like it'll just be a battle between Trump and DeSantis. Of the two, DeSantis is the scarier option, and I'm filled with doom at the prospect of Trump.
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1st June 2023, 08:41 PM	#43
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Ah. I never saw "Starship Troopers". I'm not a sci-fi fan. Let us just say the movie is a LOT different then the novel.
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1st June 2023, 08:46 PM	#44
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1st June 2023, 11:10 PM	#45
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,888	Originally Posted by Armitage72 The quote was in the novel; I don't think it was in the movie. The concept was in the movie though. The movie was more of a tongue-in-cheek satire of the fascism and authoritarianism that were played straight in the original novel. It was. They had a number of spectacular recruitment videos in the movie. They also had a female trooper say she joined because she wanted to have kids, and it was easier to get permission to get some if you've been in the military.
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1st June 2023, 11:21 PM	#46
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,587	Originally Posted by ToddH Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more? Nice movie reference anyway!
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1st June 2023, 07:30 PM	#41
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Armitage72 The quote was in the novel; I don't think it was in the movie. The concept was in the movie though. The movie was more of a tongue-in-cheek satire of the fascism and authoritarianism that were played straight in the original novel. My husband is a Heinlein fan so I'm sure he's read it.

1st June 2023, 11:37 PM	#47
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Originally Posted by ToddH Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more? Not necessarily. There are other requirements including: Quote: "Demonstrate that if separated from service, you were separated under honorable conditions; Be a lawful permanent resident at the time of your naturalization interview; Meet certain residence and physical presence requirements; Demonstrate the ability to read, write and speak English, unless qualified for a waiver or exception; Demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and government, unless excepted; Demonstrate good moral character for at least five years before filing your N-400 through the day you naturalize; and Demonstrate an attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution and be well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States during all relevant periods under the law, unless waived." I suspect a whole bunch of Republicans would get deported if these tests were applied to them, particularly the highlighted bits. And VERY especially the "speak and read English" part.* * I'm not saying that they have second languages. I'm saying they are barely competent with the one-and-only language they do have.
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Yesterday, 12:38 AM	#48
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,691	Originally Posted by Trebuchet It's only the first of June, 2023; and there are already a multiplicity of candidates? Can we match the craziness of 2015/16? Probably not, except for the craziness of the likely nominee. Anyhow, best I (or USA Today) can tell, we've already got these candidates: Donald Trump Ron DeSantis Larry Elder (who?) Nikki Haley Asa Hutchinson Vivek Ramaswamy Tim Scott Chris Christie (probably) Mike Pence (probably) Trump is the probable nominee. If not, he'll continue running against the actual nominee, ensuring a Biden victory, which Trump will blame on the Republican nominee. Otherwise: DeSantis is the only realistic option for today's Christo-fascist Republican party. Since he'd be both more evil and more competent than Trump, very scary to me. Larry Elder is unknown and black. No chance. Nikki Haley is female and non-white. Though she does her best to look white. Possible Veep selection. Asa Hutchinson is an unknown nonentity. That works for Dems (think Carter and Clinton) but not R's. Vivek Ramaswamy: Unknown, funny name, probably a terrorist. Tim Scott: Black. Competent. Not ever going to be nominated by the R's. Fat Chris Christie: Did every thing he could to secure Trump's VP nomination four years ago, including carrying Trump's luggage. Running for Veep again. Mike Pence: Small change. No Democrat and 95% of Republicans would never vote for him. Your thoughts? Nikki Haley's attempts to be white skinned probably have little to do with western racism.
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Yesterday, 01:34 AM	#49
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,043	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander I suspect a whole bunch of Republicans would get deported if these tests were applied to them, particularly the highlighted bits. And VERY especially the "speak and read English" part.* * I'm not saying that they have second languages. I'm saying they are barely competent with the one-and-only language they do have. I'm trying to popularize the word, which I think I came up with, "demiglot" or should it be "hemiglot"?
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Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Originally Posted by jimbob I'm trying to popularize the word, which I think I came up with, "demiglot" or should it be "hemiglot"?
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Yesterday, 05:04 AM	#51
Frank Newgent Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,074	Originally Posted by Trebuchet It's only the first of June, 2023; and there are already a multiplicity of candidates? Can we match the craziness of 2015/16? Probably not, except for the craziness of the likely nominee. Anyhow, best I (or USA Today) can tell, we've already got these candidates: Donald Trump Ron DeSantis Larry Elder (who?) Nikki Haley Asa Hutchinson Vivek Ramaswamy Tim Scott Chris Christie (probably) Mike Pence (probably) Trump is the probable nominee. If not, he'll continue running against the actual nominee, ensuring a Biden victory, which Trump will blame on the Republican nominee. Otherwise: DeSantis is the only realistic option for today's Christo-fascist Republican party. Since he'd be both more evil and more competent than Trump, very scary to me. Larry Elder is unknown and black. No chance. Nikki Haley is female and non-white. Though she does her best to look white. Possible Veep selection. Asa Hutchinson is an unknown nonentity. That works for Dems (think Carter and Clinton) but not R's. Vivek Ramaswamy: Unknown, funny name, probably a terrorist. Tim Scott: Black. Competent. Not ever going to be nominated by the R's. Fat Chris Christie: Did every thing he could to secure Trump's VP nomination four years ago, including carrying Trump's luggage. Running for Veep again. Mike Pence: Small change. No Democrat and 95% of Republicans would never vote for him. Your thoughts? Christie will tear, especially, Trump a new one. But DeSantis, too. Doubtful running mate.
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Yesterday, 09:19 PM	#54
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,936	Quote: CHICAGO (AP) — The first 2024 Republican presidential debate will be held Aug. 23, the Republican National Committee announced Friday, with a second debate the following night should it be needed. The RNC also detailed the criteria that will be used for candidates to qualify for the debate stage, including a pledge to support the eventual Republican presidential nominee. That requirement could keep some candidates off the stage, including former President Donald Trump, who hasn’t committed to supporting the nominee if he doesn’t emerge from the primary. Trump also has questioned why he would participate since he holds a commanding lead in GOP primary polls. The debate will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which also will be the site of the party’s nominating convention next year. It’s a nod to the importance of the battleground state, which is likely to be key to a presidential victory again in 2024. https://apnews.com/article/6cc406eb0...f59acb30d71e95
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Yesterday, 09:55 PM	#55
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,135	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Nikki Haley's attempts to be white skinned probably have little to do with western racism. Well funny thing is she's perceived as a generic white by many Americans who don't know her origins. She's basically accomplished what Bobby Jindal couldn't without trying very hard.

Yesterday, 11:23 PM	#56
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Quote: Quote: CHICAGO (AP) — The first 2024 Republican presidential debate will be held Aug. 23, the Republican National Committee announced Friday, with a second debate the following night should it be needed. The RNC also detailed the criteria that will be used for candidates to qualify for the debate stage, including a pledge to support the eventual Republican presidential nominee. That requirement could keep some candidates off the stage, including former President Donald Trump, who hasn’t committed to supporting the nominee if he doesn’t emerge from the primary. Trump also has questioned why he would participate since he holds a commanding lead in GOP primary polls. The debate will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which also will be the site of the party’s nominating convention next year. It’s a nod to the importance of the battleground state, which is likely to be key to a presidential victory again in 2024. https://apnews.com/article/6cc406eb0...f59acb30d71e95 Trump would just say he would and then not honor his word....because he has no honor.