The DeSantis gambit - Page 25

dirtywick · 1st June 2023, 05:32 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...28a5bd8d&ei=14

desantis is in trouble. even trump's not dumb enough to fall for this woke ****

Venom · 1st June 2023, 05:36 PM

Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means

Quote:

“I don’t like the term ‘woke,'” Trump said while answering questions from the audience, “because I hear the term ‘woke woke woke’ — it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t define it, they don’t know what it is.”

The former president then rambled about transgender athletes and claimed that if he were the coach of a girl’s basketball team he “would have the greatest team. I’d say ‘Lebron [James], would you like to become a woman?’ And I would go to another four or five guys and say we will be undefeated for many, many years.’ I will go down as the greatest coach in history.”

“It is so crazy — and that is all woke,” Trump said. “I guess they define that as woke, but that’s all woke.”

Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis?

angrysoba · 1st June 2023, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means

Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis?

I mean, I don't think he is "admitting" anything in the usual sense.

It's been said before and it will probably always hold true with Trump, but he doesn't say anything with any fear that thing X will contradict thing Y or that one thing he says will falsify anything else he says. To do that, he has to have at least some consideration for truth and falsity and logic. But of course he doesn't care, and neither do his supporters.

dudalb · 1st June 2023, 08:45 PM

Some have predicted that Trump will actually try, in a wierd way, to pose as being more moderate on the social issues then De Santis.

Orphia Nay · 1st June 2023, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Some have predicted that Trump will actually try, in a wierd way, to pose as being more moderate on the social issues then De Santis.

Who have predicted that, specifically?

Just wondering if that's a reason for hope.

Though 'more moderate than DeSantis' can still mean right-wing.

The Great Zaganza · 1st June 2023, 10:55 PM

I think this message is going to work well to peel off some support from Trump:
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Desantis: “If the former president says, ‘I can slay the Deep State in 6 months,’ my question to him would be, well you already had 4 years, why didn’t you slay it then?”

angrysoba · 1st June 2023, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Some have predicted that Trump will actually try, in a wierd way, to pose as being more moderate on the social issues then De Santis.

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Who have predicted that, specifically?

Just wondering if that's a reason for hope.

Though 'more moderate than DeSantis' can still mean right-wing.

I guess the pudding fingers thing would be seen as more moderate compared to DeSantis. It makes sense that Trump wants to tell the elderly that DeSantis will take away their Medicare and social security. Then Trump can be against it when he runs against the Democrats. His brain dead supporters will vote for whatever he is in favour of.

Norman Alexander · 1st June 2023, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means

Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis?

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I mean, I don't think he is "admitting" anything in the usual sense.

It's been said before and it will probably always hold true with Trump, but he doesn't say anything with any fear that thing X will contradict thing Y or that one thing he says will falsify anything else he says. To do that, he has to have at least some consideration for truth and falsity and logic. But of course he doesn't care, and neither do his supporters.

It's simpler than that: It's all about making Donny look good. So Trump says whatever he thinks will make him look good right now this minute. When that minute changes, so do Trump's answers.

kookbreaker · Yesterday, 06:59 AM

Trump isn't in power so there is no way he can outdo DeSantis' authoritarian culture war antics so he is pretending there is no game board to play on.

jadebox · Yesterday, 07:32 AM

One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him.

Maybe.

The Great Zaganza · Yesterday, 10:14 AM

Winning is more important than what you're winning at as a republican

Armitage72 · Yesterday, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by jadebox

One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him.

Maybe.

How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him.

TurkeysGhost · Yesterday, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by jadebox

One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him.

Maybe.

I don't really understand why "flip flopping" is supposed to be a bad thing. It's a representative system, elected officials should change their minds if that means getting more in line with the public (or at least their constituency). Constantly checking on the public opinion on what positions to take is a good thing, these people don't have any special way to divine the truth.

Considering our country is run by geriatrics it would be absolutely insane if any of these dinosaurs were reluctant to change their positions on issues over time. When Biden was coming of age it was still common to feed gay people to saber tooth tigers, but look how far we've come.

The right's feelings about the vaccine are somewhat complicated and definitely changed a lot over time.

Venom · Yesterday, 01:02 PM

There needs to be a way to get Trump to provoke DeSantis, prompting a strong response from DeSantis, which will trigger Trump to destroy him, which would allow Democrats to mop up what remains of Trump who has already alienated thousands if not millions of his former fans.

So far DeSantis has played it relatively well, but I'm kinda glad Trump is so thin-skinned. It doesn't take much to get him into attack mode.

Donal · Yesterday, 01:47 PM

Make Trump a teenager wearing a mask? A reporter asking a follow up question? Pudding Fingers react pretty strongly to those folks.

Maybe strap Trump to a chair, bound and gagged, and surrounded by Marines ready to kill him. Meatball Ron gets super tough in that situation. Especially after he leaves the room.

jadebox · Yesterday, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him.

Hence the "Maybe."

jadebox · Yesterday, 01:55 PM

Quote:

I don't really understand why "flip flopping" is supposed to be a bad thing.

It isn't a bad thing when done for the right reasons. But being labeled as one who "flip flops" has sunk campaigns before even if the label is stupid.

It's a thing some groups do. They put a label on things to disparage those things regardless of what the label really means or even if it is really applicable. Quite often those groups can't even define what the label means, they just know it is bad!

Stacyhs · Yesterday, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by jadebox

It isn't a bad thing when done for the right reasons. But being labeled as one who "flip flops" has sunk campaigns before even if the label is stupid.

It's a thing some groups do. They put a label on things to disparage those things regardless of what the label really means or even if it is really applicable. Quite often those groups can't even define what the label means, they just know it is bad!

As evidenced by MAGAs who are against CRT but haven't got a clue what it is.

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Armitage72 · Yesterday, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As evidenced by MAGAs who are against CRT but haven't got a clue what it is.

It's just like the people who hated Obamacare with a passion but thought the Affordable Care Act was great.

quadraginta · Yesterday, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

[snip].

The right's feelings about the vaccine are somewhat complicated and definitely changed a lot over time.

What's complicated about, "Vaccine good. No! Wait! Vaccine BAD!!!"?

This "right" you speak of were instructed by their 'leaders' (and I use the term loosely), without a scintilla of plausible evidence, that the vaccine was an evil Leebral plot. For no other motive than it was a useful position to encourage to take votes away from their opponents.

How many people died needlessly because of their callous greed?

KDLarsen · Today, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him.

Nothing impacts trump. His campaign should have been dead in the water the second he mocked a disabled reporter back in 2015, and yet here we are. Some of his females supporters joked about wanting him to sexually assault them (Grab 'em by the pussy).

Attacking DeSantis with videos of him praising Fauci and bragging about Florida's early vaccine rollout should be a fairly straightforward way to kneecap him.

Venom · Today, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Nothing impacts trump. His campaign should have been dead in the water the second he mocked a disabled reporter back in 2015, and yet here we are. Some of his females supporters joked about wanting him to sexually assault them (Grab 'em by the pussy).

Attacking DeSantis with videos of him praising Fauci and bragging about Florida's early vaccine rollout should be a fairly straightforward way to kneecap him.

This. I think that attack ad of Trump saving DeSantis' career was devastating enough.

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I AGREE

It only goes downhill from there so DeSantis needs to come out swinging here within the next few months or forever hold his peace.

DeSantis' "gun grabber" ad was pretty good, but didn't hit!

RolandRat · Today, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Trump

I don’t like the term ‘woke’ because I hear ‘woke woke woke’—it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t even define it, they don’t know what it is

"During the event, Mr Trump attacked trans athletes, a popular right-wing grievance, calling it a “woke” issue before catching himself."

Originally Posted by Trump

I guess they define that as ‘woke,’ but that’s all woke. We have to bring common sense back to the country,

Guy can't even be consistent with statements made during the same event.

Darat · Today, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

"During the event, Mr Trump attacked trans athletes, a popular right-wing grievance, calling it a “woke” issue before catching himself."

Guy can't even be consistent with statements made during the same ~~event~~ sentence.

FTFY.

1st June 2023, 05:32 PM	#961
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,374	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...28a5bd8d&ei=14 desantis is in trouble. even trump's not dumb enough to fall for this woke ****
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1st June 2023, 07:51 PM	#963
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,387	Originally Posted by Venom Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis? I mean, I don't think he is "admitting" anything in the usual sense. It's been said before and it will probably always hold true with Trump, but he doesn't say anything with any fear that thing X will contradict thing Y or that one thing he says will falsify anything else he says. To do that, he has to have at least some consideration for truth and falsity and logic. But of course he doesn't care, and neither do his supporters.
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1st June 2023, 08:45 PM	#964
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1st June 2023, 08:52 PM	#965
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,936	Originally Posted by dudalb Some have predicted that Trump will actually try, in a wierd way, to pose as being more moderate on the social issues then De Santis. Who have predicted that, specifically? Just wondering if that's a reason for hope. Though 'more moderate than DeSantis' can still mean right-wing.
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1st June 2023, 10:55 PM	#966
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1st June 2023, 05:36 PM	#962
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,135	Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means Quote: “I don’t like the term ‘woke,'” Trump said while answering questions from the audience, “because I hear the term ‘woke woke woke’ — it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t define it, they don’t know what it is.” The former president then rambled about transgender athletes and claimed that if he were the coach of a girl’s basketball team he “would have the greatest team. I’d say ‘Lebron [James], would you like to become a woman?’ And I would go to another four or five guys and say we will be undefeated for many, many years.’ I will go down as the greatest coach in history.” “It is so crazy — and that is all woke,” Trump said. “I guess they define that as woke, but that’s all woke.” Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis?

1st June 2023, 11:02 PM	#967
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,387	Originally Posted by dudalb Some have predicted that Trump will actually try, in a wierd way, to pose as being more moderate on the social issues then De Santis. Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Who have predicted that, specifically? Just wondering if that's a reason for hope. Though 'more moderate than DeSantis' can still mean right-wing. I guess the pudding fingers thing would be seen as more moderate compared to DeSantis. It makes sense that Trump wants to tell the elderly that DeSantis will take away their Medicare and social security. Then Trump can be against it when he runs against the Democrats. His brain dead supporters will vote for whatever he is in favour of.
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1st June 2023, 11:41 PM	#968
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Originally Posted by Venom Trump Admits Republicans Don’t Even Know What ‘Woke’ Means Perhaps it's just the boomer in him speaking out. Or just more stream-of-consciousness BS from the big goof. Perhaps an jab at Ron DeSantis? Originally Posted by angrysoba I mean, I don't think he is "admitting" anything in the usual sense. It's been said before and it will probably always hold true with Trump, but he doesn't say anything with any fear that thing X will contradict thing Y or that one thing he says will falsify anything else he says. To do that, he has to have at least some consideration for truth and falsity and logic. But of course he doesn't care, and neither do his supporters. It's simpler than that: It's all about making Donny look good. So Trump says whatever he thinks will make him look good right now this minute. When that minute changes, so do Trump's answers.
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Yesterday, 06:59 AM	#969
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Yesterday, 07:32 AM	#970
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,534	One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him. Maybe.

Yesterday, 10:14 AM	#971
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Yesterday, 12:19 PM	#972
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by jadebox One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him. Maybe. How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him.

Yesterday, 12:23 PM	#973
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,583	Originally Posted by jadebox One thing that might help derail DeSantis is that he has "flip flopped" on many issues based on what he thinks will win him support. When opponents start replaying videos of him doing things like praising Dr. Fauci, it might hurt him. Maybe. I don't really understand why "flip flopping" is supposed to be a bad thing. It's a representative system, elected officials should change their minds if that means getting more in line with the public (or at least their constituency). Constantly checking on the public opinion on what positions to take is a good thing, these people don't have any special way to divine the truth. Considering our country is run by geriatrics it would be absolutely insane if any of these dinosaurs were reluctant to change their positions on issues over time. When Biden was coming of age it was still common to feed gay people to saber tooth tigers, but look how far we've come. The right's feelings about the vaccine are somewhat complicated and definitely changed a lot over time.
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Yesterday, 01:02 PM	#974
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,135	There needs to be a way to get Trump to provoke DeSantis, prompting a strong response from DeSantis, which will trigger Trump to destroy him, which would allow Democrats to mop up what remains of Trump who has already alienated thousands if not millions of his former fans. So far DeSantis has played it relatively well, but I'm kinda glad Trump is so thin-skinned. It doesn't take much to get him into attack mode.

Yesterday, 01:47 PM	#975
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Make Trump a teenager wearing a mask? A reporter asking a follow up question? Pudding Fingers react pretty strongly to those folks. Maybe strap Trump to a chair, bound and gagged, and surrounded by Marines ready to kill him. Meatball Ron gets super tough in that situation. Especially after he leaves the room.
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Yesterday, 01:49 PM	#976
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,534	Originally Posted by Armitage72 How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him. Hence the "Maybe."

Yesterday, 01:55 PM	#977
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,534	Quote: I don't really understand why "flip flopping" is supposed to be a bad thing. It isn't a bad thing when done for the right reasons. But being labeled as one who "flip flops" has sunk campaigns before even if the label is stupid. It's a thing some groups do. They put a label on things to disparage those things regardless of what the label really means or even if it is really applicable. Quite often those groups can't even define what the label means, they just know it is bad!
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Yesterday, 08:11 PM	#979
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by Stacyhs As evidenced by MAGAs who are against CRT but haven't got a clue what it is. It's just like the people who hated Obamacare with a passion but thought the Affordable Care Act was great.

Yesterday, 10:32 PM	#980
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,840	Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost [snip]. The right's feelings about the vaccine are somewhat complicated and definitely changed a lot over time. What's complicated about, "Vaccine good. No! Wait! Vaccine BAD!!!"? This "right" you speak of were instructed by their 'leaders' (and I use the term loosely), without a scintilla of plausible evidence, that the vaccine was an evil Leebral plot. For no other motive than it was a useful position to encourage to take votes away from their opponents. How many people died needlessly because of their callous greed?
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Today, 12:42 AM	#981
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,879	Originally Posted by Armitage72 How many times was Trump presented with recordings or video that directly contradicted what he was saying at the moment? It didn't significantly impact him. Nothing impacts trump. His campaign should have been dead in the water the second he mocked a disabled reporter back in 2015, and yet here we are. Some of his females supporters joked about wanting him to sexually assault them (Grab 'em by the pussy). Attacking DeSantis with videos of him praising Fauci and bragging about Florida's early vaccine rollout should be a fairly straightforward way to kneecap him.
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Today, 08:44 AM	#983
RolandRat Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Essex UK Posts: 1,655	Originally Posted by Trump I don’t like the term ‘woke’ because I hear ‘woke woke woke’—it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t even define it, they don’t know what it is "During the event, Mr Trump attacked trans athletes, a popular right-wing grievance, calling it a “woke” issue before catching himself." Originally Posted by Trump I guess they define that as ‘woke,’ but that’s all woke. We have to bring common sense back to the country, Guy can't even be consistent with statements made during the same event.

Today, 10:42 AM	#984
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,587	Originally Posted by RolandRat "During the event, Mr Trump attacked trans athletes, a popular right-wing grievance, calling it a “woke” issue before catching himself." Guy can't even be consistent with statements made during the same ~~event~~ sentence. FTFY.
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