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Fast Eddie B · 30th December 2022, 06:34 AM

Quite the drama.

In short, Tate tweeted this, and you can see Greta’s reply:

To which Tate posted a video. In that video was a pizza box. The printing on that box allowed Romanian officials to locate and arrest Tate. And Greta replied “This is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes.”

Sweet!

Ziggurat · 30th December 2022, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Shock, horror, misleading covid information was fact-checked by Twitter in an attempt to save lives.

But no, ominous stuff, according to deniers.

True information was censored as well. Why is that of no concern?

catsmate · 30th December 2022, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

True information was censored as well. Why is that of no concern?

Citations?

catsmate · 30th December 2022, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Birds of a feather and all that....

"Controversial" social media personality Andrew Tate has been arrested in Romania for human trafficking:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64122628

Andrew Tate was suspended from Twitter for claiming that women bear responsibility for being sexually assaulted. Elon Musk has recently reinstated his account. I'm sure that Twitter's advertisers are jumping at the opportunity to be associated with this kind of individual.

Yeah there will be some interesting revelations there. Horrible stuff.

dudalb · 30th December 2022, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Oh. And this too.

Twitter outage: Elon Musk says ‘works for me’ as users report problems with website

Let's totally disrespect your customers. That always works well.

Ziggurat · 30th December 2022, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Citations?

Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics.

Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role.

angrysoba · 30th December 2022, 10:43 PM

Seems like a pretty good summary of Elon Musk's speech policies at Twitter and the Twitter files.

https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/m...on-free-speech

I pretty much agree with what Sam Harris says about most things here about how the Twitter files mostly showed people in good faith trying to figure out how to avoid their platform signal boosting bad information, such as a possibly dubiously sourced laptop, and some obviously bad Covid and vaccine takes that shaded off towards less obviously bad, and possibly correct Covid information that had to be flagged by bots, rather than the right-wing narrative that Twitter was the public square whose free speech was being suppressed by a liberal government (especially given that Trump was the president at the time of the Hunter Biden laptop story).

Cain · 31st December 2022, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Quite the drama.

In short, Tate tweeted this, and you can see Greta’s reply:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2a51663636.jpg

To which Tate posted a video. In that video was a pizza box. The printing on that box allowed Romanian officials to locate and arrest Tate. And Greta replied “This is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes.”

Sweet!

The funniest comment I've heard about Tate is that he looks like what you'd get if you tried to draw Pitbull from memory.

Gulliver Foyle · 31st December 2022, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics.

Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role.

So bovine excrement is "true information" now? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Fast Eddie B · 31st December 2022, 06:50 AM

For what it’s worth, Romanian authorities are denying the pizza box in the video is what led them to Tate’s whereabouts.

Ziggurat · 31st December 2022, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

So bovine excrement is "true information" now? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull ****, that was the truth.

Gulliver Foyle · 31st December 2022, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull ****, that was the truth.

[Citation needed]

Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements.

Darat · 31st December 2022, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

[Citation needed]

Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements.

It's even baser than that, it's because the science led to imposing restrictions on the way he could run his businesses.

Dr. Keith · 31st December 2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull ****, that was the truth.

Was it wrapped in ********?

TragicMonkey · 31st December 2022, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

For what it’s worth, Romanian authorities are denying the pizza box in the video is what led them to Tate’s whereabouts.

They never sausage evidence?

8enotto · 31st December 2022, 01:02 PM

No, as spicy as it was it still fell flat.

Ziggurat · 31st December 2022, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

[Citation needed]

Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements.

I gave you the citation. It was the Twitter thread that Orphia linked. It gave multiple specific examples where factually correct info was censored. You haven't read that thread, have you?

Ziggurat · 31st December 2022, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Was it wrapped in ********?

Nope. Which you would know if you had read that link. But you didn't.

gabeygoat · 31st December 2022, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

It's even baser than that, it's because the science led to imposing restrictions on the way he could run his businesses.

pretty much

Upchurch · 1st January 2023, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I gave you the citation. It was the Twitter thread that Orphia linked. It gave multiple specific examples where factually correct info was censored. You haven't read that thread, have you?

You’re not talking about “The Twitter Files”, are you? One of the least transparent non-journalistic, non-contextual propaganda dump of all times? The one crafted to reinforce the cognitive bias of the right-wing extremists?

Is that the source you’re citing?

Dr. Keith · 1st January 2023, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Nope. Which you would know if you had read that link. But you didn't.

I don’t twitter. I just like the drama.

Dr. Keith · 1st January 2023, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

You’re not talking about “The Twitter Files”, are you? One of the least transparent non-journalistic, non-contextual propaganda dump of all times? The one crafted to reinforce the cognitive bias of the right-wing extremists?

Is that the source you’re citing?

He said it wasn’t wrapped in ********. Maybe we have different definitions of ********.

Upchurch · 2nd January 2023, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics.

Well, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Is it possible that someone was misrepresenting those CDC statistics?

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role.

Which raises the question: who do you trust to fact check or censor content on a privately run social network that primarily makes money off of advertising.

Once you understand that question, you will begin to understand the situation. I’ve been there.

jeremyp · 4th January 2023, 08:57 AM

I almost feel sorry for him

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og

Originally Posted by Elon Musk

12 months ago, I was Person of the Year

jimbob · 5th January 2023, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Oliver Alexander
@OAlexanderDK
·
Jan 4
Though to be fair, being the head of HR at a company that doesn’t offer employees toilet paper can only be marginally more fun than being head of engineering when the CEO is randomly disconnecting sensitive server racks.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...oo9D1_tBcLuRLA

Discussing the latest high level Twitter resignations

The Don · 5th January 2023, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

I almost feel sorry for him

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og

Originally Posted by Elon Musk

12 months ago, I was Person of the Year

All of the people, some of the time

Aridas · 5th January 2023, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

I almost feel sorry for him

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og

"Pride goeth before a fall" is what comes to mind for me. Manning up and facing unpleasant truths can be hard, either way. I have slight sympathy for those willing to do so. I don't get the feeling that that tweet had anything at all to do with manning up and facing reality, though.

Upchurch · 5th January 2023, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Aridas

"Pride goeth before a fall" is what comes to mind for me.

I was thinking Icarus, but it's the same moral from a different source.

Musk has always been just smart enough to buddy up with actually smart people. This time, he thought that because he uses Twitter, surely he could run Twitter with no other relevant experience. The idiot believed his own hype.

Upchurch · 5th January 2023, 03:09 PM

Twitter said it fixed ‘verification.’ So I impersonated a senator (again).

Quote:

Elon Musk said he would fix Twitter’s problem with impostors. The blue check mark on my fake U.S. senator suggests he still has a long way to go.

On Tuesday, @SenatorEdMarkey briefly went viral on Twitter. Gisele Barreto Fetterman, the wife of Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), thanked @SenatorEdMarkey in a tweet that garnered 140,000 views.

The problem is, @SenatorEdMarkey is actually me, not the real Sen. Edward J. Markey. It’s a test of Twitter’s $7.99 per month Blue “verification” service I made with the permission of the real Democrat from Massachusetts. I wouldn’t blame anyone for being confused: My test account has the senator’s name and photo and a blue check mark that says it is “verified.”

But Twitter, it seems, isn’t verifying much of anything.

Quote:

Twitter didn’t reply to a request for comment. After I published this story, Twitter suspended the @SenatorEdMarkey account.

It's behind a paywall, but it almost doesn't matter unless you're interested in the details in how they did it.

Quote:

Once I had all of those pieces in place, I signed up for Twitter Blue on the web, paying with a credit card. At that point, I expected Twitter would ask me to prove my identity, such as uploading a snapshot of a drivers’ license. I thought Twitter might be suspicious that the account was owned by a random Gmail address, not one ending in senate.gov. I assumed its verification system might challenge me after scanning for the word “senator” or maybe even the names of the notable people with legacy verification status.

But no. After 7 days, a blue check mark appeared on the faux Markey account, no questions asked.

As far as I can tell, Twitter has never said what goes into “manually authenticating” an account. Since Musk bought Twitter, the company also now has a greatly reduced workforce — so it’s not clear who’d be around to do the checking.

Musk has no idea what he is doing and clearly isn't listening to anyone around who might have experience in this. I've seen this before, on a much smaller and less public scale. He's in one of those scenarios where the tighter he grasps, the more he'll lose.

His best move at this point is to temporarily halt new development, deploying only for critical maintenance, and get an actual roadmap in place before moving forward. And, for the love of Ed, he has to stop tweeting like a clueless idiot.

plague311 · 5th January 2023, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

he has to stop tweeting like a clueless idiot.

You'd have a better chance getting a rock to jump.

Upchurch · 5th January 2023, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by plague311

You'd have a better chance getting a rock to jump.

Both my comment and your reply are applicable to so. Many. People.

catsmate · 6th January 2023, 05:08 AM

Two hundred million Twits have had their email addresses leaked.

Darat · 6th January 2023, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Two hundred million Twits have had their email addresses leaked.

Apparently 211,524,284 to be exact and one of them is my primary email address. The breach occurred in 2001 so nothing to do with the recent change in ownership.

Really surprised me that mine was on the list as I can't ever recall joining twitter, and my primary email address isn't one I use on social media sites. Tried to use their "forgot password" and I can't reset the password. Perhaps someone else joined as me?

dudalb · 13th January 2023, 04:08 PM

I am so happy I never used Twitter.
I had an account, but that was just to be able to read twitter comment on hte internet.

dudalb · 13th January 2023, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

All of the people, some of the time

Shades of Brando's "I could have been a contender" in "On The Waterfront".

Trebuchet · 13th January 2023, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I am so happy I never used Twitter.
I had an account, but that was just to be able to read twitter comment on hte internet.

Not only can you read it without an account, you don't get the ads. Just have to close the "sign up" screens once in a while.

jeremyp · 17th January 2023, 10:06 AM

A new story in Ars Technca

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...atable-options

the tl;dr is that the first payment on the $13 billion loan may be coming due at the end of January and there is probably no way that Twitter can pay it off.

Another interesting point from the story is the graph of Twitter's profits. It shows a huge loss for 2020, a modest loss for 2021 and a profit for the first half of 2022. Twitter was going in the right direction until Musk ****** it over.

jimbob · 17th January 2023, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

A new story in Ars Technca

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...atable-options

the tl;dr is that the first payment on the $13 billion loan may be coming due at the end of January and there is probably no way that Twitter can pay it off.

Another interesting point from the story is the graph of Twitter's profits. It shows a huge loss for 2020, a modest loss for 2021 and a profit for the first half of 2022. Twitter was going in the right direction until Musk ****** it over.

This probably won't help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64293744

Quote:

If a San Francisco jury rules in the shareholder's favour, Mr Musk may be ordered to pay billions of dollars in damages.

He has already paid $20m to the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) for the 7 August 2018 tweet, while Tesla had to pay another $20m.

The SEC also removed Mr Musk as chairman of Tesla as a result of the tweet.

Doubt · 17th January 2023, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

A new story in Ars Technca

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...atable-options

the tl;dr is that the first payment on the $13 billion loan may be coming due at the end of January and there is probably no way that Twitter can pay it off.

Another interesting point from the story is the graph of Twitter's profits. It shows a huge loss for 2020, a modest loss for 2021 and a profit for the first half of 2022. Twitter was going in the right direction until Musk ****** it over.

Just in time for Musk to break his word and sell more Tesla stock, which might bring Tesla closer to a fairly priced stock.

angrysoba · 17th January 2023, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

A new story in Ars Technca

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...atable-options

the tl;dr is that the first payment on the $13 billion loan may be coming due at the end of January and there is probably no way that Twitter can pay it off.

Another interesting point from the story is the graph of Twitter's profits. It shows a huge loss for 2020, a modest loss for 2021 and a profit for the first half of 2022. Twitter was going in the right direction until Musk ****** it over.

Originally Posted by jimbob

This probably won't help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64293744

Masterful gambit, sir!

You guys just don't get 5D chess!

30th December 2022, 07:36 AM	#2282
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 54,722	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Shock, horror, misleading covid information was fact-checked by Twitter in an attempt to save lives. But no, ominous stuff, according to deniers. True information was censored as well. Why is that of no concern?
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

30th December 2022, 12:06 PM	#2283
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,325	Originally Posted by Ziggurat True information was censored as well. Why is that of no concern? Citations?
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30th December 2022, 12:42 PM	#2284
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,325	Originally Posted by The Don Birds of a feather and all that.... "Controversial" social media personality Andrew Tate has been arrested in Romania for human trafficking: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64122628 Andrew Tate was suspended from Twitter for claiming that women bear responsibility for being sexually assaulted. Elon Musk has recently reinstated his account. I'm sure that Twitter's advertisers are jumping at the opportunity to be associated with this kind of individual. Yeah there will be some interesting revelations there. Horrible stuff.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

30th December 2022, 01:07 PM	#2285
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,303	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Oh. And this too. Twitter outage: Elon Musk says ‘works for me’ as users report problems with website Let's totally disrespect your customers. That always works well.
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30th December 2022, 04:40 PM	#2286
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 54,722	Originally Posted by catsmate Citations? Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics. Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

30th December 2022, 06:34 AM	#2281
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 7,657	Quite the drama. In short, Tate tweeted this, and you can see Greta’s reply: To which Tate posted a video. In that video was a pizza box. The printing on that box allowed Romanian officials to locate and arrest Tate. And Greta replied “This is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes.” Sweet!

30th December 2022, 10:43 PM	#2287
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,920	Seems like a pretty good summary of Elon Musk's speech policies at Twitter and the Twitter files. https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/m...on-free-speech I pretty much agree with what Sam Harris says about most things here about how the Twitter files mostly showed people in good faith trying to figure out how to avoid their platform signal boosting bad information, such as a possibly dubiously sourced laptop, and some obviously bad Covid and vaccine takes that shaded off towards less obviously bad, and possibly correct Covid information that had to be flagged by bots, rather than the right-wing narrative that Twitter was the public square whose free speech was being suppressed by a liberal government (especially given that Trump was the president at the time of the Hunter Biden laptop story).
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31st December 2022, 12:06 AM	#2288
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,318	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B Quite the drama. In short, Tate tweeted this, and you can see Greta’s reply: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2a51663636.jpg To which Tate posted a video. In that video was a pizza box. The printing on that box allowed Romanian officials to locate and arrest Tate. And Greta replied “This is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes.” Sweet! The funniest comment I've heard about Tate is that he looks like what you'd get if you tried to draw Pitbull from memory.
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31st December 2022, 01:14 AM	#2289
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,415	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics. Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role. So bovine excrement is "true information" now? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

31st December 2022, 06:50 AM	#2290
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 7,657	For what it’s worth, Romanian authorities are denying the pizza box in the video is what led them to Tate’s whereabouts.

31st December 2022, 07:04 AM	#2291
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 54,722	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle So bovine excrement is "true information" now? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull ****, that was the truth.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

31st December 2022, 09:31 AM	#2292
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,415	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull ***, that was the truth. [Citation needed]* Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements.

31st December 2022, 09:50 AM	#2293
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,127	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle [Citation needed] Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements. It's even baser than that, it's because the science led to imposing restrictions on the way he could run his businesses.
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31st December 2022, 11:06 AM	#2294
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 25,657	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You didn't read the thread, did you? Twitter censored citations of peer reviewed scientific research, and even the CDCs own statistics. That wasn't bull **, that was the truth. Was it wrapped in ******?
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31st December 2022, 12:57 PM	#2295
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,996	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B For what it’s worth, Romanian authorities are denying the pizza box in the video is what led them to Tate’s whereabouts. They never sausage evidence?
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31st December 2022, 01:02 PM	#2296
8enotto Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Mexico Posts: 3,018	No, as spicy as it was it still fell flat.

31st December 2022, 10:12 PM	#2297
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 54,722	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle [Citation needed] Because, frankly nothing that's come out of these twitter files articles have been anything other than rubbish. The reason Musk set his minions to "reveal" Covid "coverups" is because he's an anti-vaxxer sore that the science (as is usual) disagrees with his pronouncements. I gave you the citation. It was the Twitter thread that Orphia linked. It gave multiple specific examples where factually correct info was censored. You haven't read that thread, have you?
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

31st December 2022, 10:13 PM	#2298
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 54,722	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Was it wrapped in ********? Nope. Which you would know if you had read that link. But you didn't.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

31st December 2022, 10:40 PM	#2299
gabeygoat Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis Oregon Posts: 1,722	Originally Posted by Darat It's even baser than that, it's because the science led to imposing restrictions on the way he could run his businesses. pretty much
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1st January 2023, 10:05 AM	#2300
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 34,126	Originally Posted by Ziggurat I gave you the citation. It was the Twitter thread that Orphia linked. It gave multiple specific examples where factually correct info was censored. You haven't read that thread, have you? You’re not talking about “The Twitter Files”, are you? One of the least transparent non-journalistic, non-contextual propaganda dump of all times? The one crafted to reinforce the cognitive bias of the right-wing extremists? Is that the source you’re citing?
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1st January 2023, 06:52 PM	#2301
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 25,657	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Nope. Which you would know if you had read that link. But you didn't. I don’t twitter. I just like the drama.
	__________________ Suffering is not a punishment not a fruit of sin, it is a gift of God. He allows us to share in His suffering and to make up for the sins of the world. -Mother Teresa If I had a pet panda I would name it Snowflake.

1st January 2023, 07:09 PM	#2302
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 25,657	Originally Posted by Upchurch You’re not talking about “The Twitter Files”, are you? One of the least transparent non-journalistic, non-contextual propaganda dump of all times? The one crafted to reinforce the cognitive bias of the right-wing extremists? Is that the source you’re citing? He said it wasn’t wrapped in ******. Maybe we have different definitions of ******.
	__________________ Suffering is not a punishment not a fruit of sin, it is a gift of God. He allows us to share in His suffering and to make up for the sins of the world. -Mother Teresa If I had a pet panda I would name it Snowflake.

2nd January 2023, 07:37 AM	#2303
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 34,126	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Examples were given in that very Twitter thread Orphia linked. Including someone citing CDC statistics. Well, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Is it possible that someone was misrepresenting those CDC statistics? Originally Posted by Ziggurat Why on earth does anyone want Twitter trying to act as a fact checker and censoring on that basis? They are not competent to do so. They proved that many times over. There was never any institutional capacity to take on that role. Which raises the question: who do you trust to fact check or censor content on a privately run social network that primarily makes money off of advertising. Once you understand that question, you will begin to understand the situation. I’ve been there.
	__________________ "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes. "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.

4th January 2023, 08:57 AM	#2304
jeremyp Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 3,464	I almost feel sorry for him https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og Originally Posted by Elon Musk 12 months ago, I was Person of the Year
	Last edited by jeremyp; 4th January 2023 at 08:59 AM.

5th January 2023, 01:36 AM	#2305
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,987	Quote: Oliver Alexander @OAlexanderDK · Jan 4 Though to be fair, being the head of HR at a company that doesn’t offer employees toilet paper can only be marginally more fun than being head of engineering when the CEO is randomly disconnecting sensitive server racks. https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...oo9D1_tBcLuRLA Discussing the latest high level Twitter resignations
	__________________ OECD healthcare spending Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK

5th January 2023, 01:43 AM	#2306
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,952	Originally Posted by jeremyp I almost feel sorry for him https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og Originally Posted by Elon Musk 12 months ago, I was Person of the Year All of the people, some of the time

5th January 2023, 04:58 AM	#2307
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 10,245	Originally Posted by jeremyp I almost feel sorry for him https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...CVqwmK4K5Vi4Og "Pride goeth before a fall" is what comes to mind for me. Manning up and facing unpleasant truths can be hard, either way. I have slight sympathy for those willing to do so. I don't get the feeling that that tweet had anything at all to do with manning up and facing reality, though.
	__________________ So sayeth the crazy little dragon. Last edited by Aridas; 5th January 2023 at 05:00 AM.

5th January 2023, 07:25 AM	#2308
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 34,126	Originally Posted by Aridas "Pride goeth before a fall" is what comes to mind for me. I was thinking Icarus, but it's the same moral from a different source. Musk has always been just smart enough to buddy up with actually smart people. This time, he thought that because he uses Twitter, surely he could run Twitter with no other relevant experience. The idiot believed his own hype.
	__________________ "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes. "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.

5th January 2023, 03:09 PM	#2309
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 34,126	Twitter said it fixed ‘verification.’ So I impersonated a senator (again). Quote: Elon Musk said he would fix Twitter’s problem with impostors. The blue check mark on my fake U.S. senator suggests he still has a long way to go. On Tuesday, @SenatorEdMarkey briefly went viral on Twitter. Gisele Barreto Fetterman, the wife of Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), thanked @SenatorEdMarkey in a tweet that garnered 140,000 views. The problem is, @SenatorEdMarkey is actually me, not the real Sen. Edward J. Markey. It’s a test of Twitter’s $7.99 per month Blue “verification” service I made with the permission of the real Democrat from Massachusetts. I wouldn’t blame anyone for being confused: My test account has the senator’s name and photo and a blue check mark that says it is “verified.” But Twitter, it seems, isn’t verifying much of anything. Quote: Twitter didn’t reply to a request for comment. After I published this story, Twitter suspended the @SenatorEdMarkey account. It's behind a paywall, but it almost doesn't matter unless you're interested in the details in how they did it. Quote: Once I had all of those pieces in place, I signed up for Twitter Blue on the web, paying with a credit card. At that point, I expected Twitter would ask me to prove my identity, such as uploading a snapshot of a drivers’ license. I thought Twitter might be suspicious that the account was owned by a random Gmail address, not one ending in senate.gov. I assumed its verification system might challenge me after scanning for the word “senator” or maybe even the names of the notable people with legacy verification status. But no. After 7 days, a blue check mark appeared on the faux Markey account, no questions asked. As far as I can tell, Twitter has never said what goes into “manually authenticating” an account. Since Musk bought Twitter, the company also now has a greatly reduced workforce — so it’s not clear who’d be around to do the checking. Musk has no idea what he is doing and clearly isn't listening to anyone around who might have experience in this. I've seen this before, on a much smaller and less public scale. He's in one of those scenarios where the tighter he grasps, the more he'll lose. His best move at this point is to temporarily halt new development, deploying only for critical maintenance, and get an actual roadmap in place before moving forward. And, for the love of Ed, he has to stop tweeting like a clueless idiot.
	__________________ "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes. "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.

5th January 2023, 03:38 PM	#2310
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,814	Originally Posted by Upchurch he has to stop tweeting like a clueless idiot. You'd have a better chance getting a rock to jump.
	__________________ “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss

5th January 2023, 05:17 PM	#2311
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 34,126	Originally Posted by plague311 You'd have a better chance getting a rock to jump. Both my comment and your reply are applicable to so. Many. People.
	__________________ "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact." -- Sherlock Holmes. "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." -- Mark Twain, maybe.

6th January 2023, 05:08 AM	#2312
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,325	Two hundred million Twits have had their email addresses leaked.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

6th January 2023, 06:11 AM	#2313
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,127	Originally Posted by catsmate Two hundred million Twits have had their email addresses leaked. Apparently 211,524,284 to be exact and one of them is my primary email address. The breach occurred in 2001 so nothing to do with the recent change in ownership. Really surprised me that mine was on the list as I can't ever recall joining twitter, and my primary email address isn't one I use on social media sites. Tried to use their "forgot password" and I can't reset the password. Perhaps someone else joined as me?
	__________________ I wish I knew how to quit you

13th January 2023, 04:08 PM	#2314
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,303	I am so happy I never used Twitter. I had an account, but that was just to be able to read twitter comment on hte internet.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

13th January 2023, 04:11 PM	#2315
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,303	Originally Posted by The Don All of the people, some of the time Shades of Brando's "I could have been a contender" in "On The Waterfront".
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.