Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 5

HarryHenderson · 13th July 2015, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Oh yeah, just like this one...

At one time I probably could have been convinced to bet serious money those two pictures are of the same ******* suit.

This is a continuation thread from Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimmlin Film - Part 4

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Resume · 14th July 2015, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

It could be the single best piece of evidence.

If your best piece of evidence is a guy in a suit, it's screw city for bigfootery.

Quote:

It's either that or the various patterns that can be seen across thousands of reports.

Yes, yes. What sort of evil genius could read a BFRO report and type something similar. It's almost impossible.

Slowvehicle · 14th July 2015, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

That's a projection of your own personal suspicions about Patterson's character on the sentence I wrote. You wouldn't see it that way if you had the opposite opinion about Patterson.

"If you already believed as I do, you would see why you ought to believe as I do..."

Slowvehicle · 14th July 2015, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

The copy of frame 352 that I posted was obtained by MK Davis from Patricia Patterson's copy of the film. He paid to get high quality scans of several different frames of the film at a photo lab. Frame 352 was one of them.

Frame 61 is from Bill Munn's inventory of Cibachrome scans. There's a few more from that copy that I can post if you want.

QED

Donn · 14th July 2015, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

They've been the foundation of my research ...

That's search, not research.

ComfySlippers · 14th July 2015, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Donn

That's search, not research.

I think CT Logic dictates that when you search something for the second time you have re-searched the subject.

HghrSymmetry · 14th July 2015, 09:40 AM

OS,

Well, when you have spent a lifetime looking for the subject and have completely and totally come up empty (with the subsequent feelings of frustration and dejection)...

...come back here and we'll let you know the reason for the failure.

Gilbert Syndrome · 14th July 2015, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by HghrSymmetry

OS,

Well, when you have spent a lifetime looking for the subject and have completely and totally come up empty (with the subsequent feelings of frustration and dejection)...

...come back here and we'll let you know the reason for the failure.

He feels that a discovery can happen within the next 3 years, but isn't willing to bet on it. Ironically, OS doesn't seem to have much more confidence in it being him or his "team" who make said discovery...despite having supposedly encountered Bigfoot on a couple of occasions.

OntarioSquatch · 14th July 2015, 10:05 AM

You're mistaking me for someone else. I've never had any encounters and I'm not on any kind of research team.

Gilbert Syndrome · 14th July 2015, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

You're mistaking me for someone else. I've never had any encounters and I'm not on any kind of research team.

I'm pretty sure you've rambled on before about going out into the woods with people, and that's all I essentially meant, as there are no valid "research" teams out there who're thick enough to go looking for a figment of Roger Patterson's imagination. Didn't you have a thermal sighting, or is that Northern Lights? I remember the first time I smoked some Northern Lights, didn't see a single Squatch.

Loss Leader · 14th July 2015, 02:26 PM

snoop_doxie · 14th July 2015, 05:22 PM

OntarioSquatch,

How many female Bigfeet have been spotted by anyone who sees them?
All of the research I have done (meaning reading some of the same stuff you do)
barely mentions any Bigfeet with the mid torso breasts.

Have you done any research here at International Skeptics or when it was JREF?

Bill Munns came here and it ended in tears. (Bill Munns refused to share any of his
work.)

It was quite educational for me. It showed me quite clearly what someone will do or
say to keep the illusion going.

PS Did you answer my question about your experience with guns?

HghrSymmetry · 14th July 2015, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome

He feels that a discovery can happen within the next 3 years, but isn't willing to bet on it. Ironically, OS doesn't seem to have much more confidence in it being him or his "team" who make said discovery...despite having supposedly encountered Bigfoot on a couple of occasions.

Interesting.

barehl · 15th July 2015, 03:27 PM

The Golden Age of the Bigfoot Fetish is over. It's downhill from here and everyone knows it. When everyone in the woods has a cellphone with camera the excuses for no pictures or video devolve from special pleading to kicking and screaming. Sure, you can walk around the woods with a thermal camera and pretend to be hunting as they do on Finding Bigfoot but eventually even the stupidest Footies will notice that they never find anything.

dmaker · 15th July 2015, 03:29 PM

It used to be that cell phone cameras were crap. That was the reigning excuse. Practically every cell phone sold today does high res pictures and 720p video.

Donn · 17th July 2015, 05:23 AM

Bigfilter has conspired with bigcamera to digitally exclude bigfoot from all exposure. Look for the tell-tale shrubbery or suggestive logs that cover him.

John Nowak · 17th July 2015, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Donn

Bigfilter has conspired with bigcamera to digitally exclude bigfoot from all exposure. Look for the tell-tale shrubbery or suggestive logs that cover him.

Brilliant! Google is surely involved.

Monza · 17th July 2015, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

I believe his claim of having photos and videos because of the details of his encounters and the investigation that occurred, not because he claims to have photos and videos.

Isn't this the same logical fallacy you criticized earlier? You are making a decision regarding the veracity of a video/film based on outside factors rather than on the video evidence itself. At least those who don't believe the PGF have at least seen it.

William Parcher · 24th July 2015, 11:34 AM

Here the sole appears to be square at the heel. It is generally regarded as an illusion.

Here the sole appears to be ovoid. It is generally regarded as an illusion

Here the toes appear to be flexing upwards. It is generally regarded as not being an illusion. I think it needs to be further examined as being another illusion.

Macgyver1968 · 24th July 2015, 11:48 AM

Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack?

Resume · 24th July 2015, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack?

Though it does have a backseam.

"Hey Patty, I like the way the little line goes up the back of the monkeysuit.
I've always liked those kind of wader hips too.
No, no, no, don't take it off; leave it on, leave it on.
Everybody wants some . . . I want some too!!"

BayWatcher · 24th July 2015, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack?

It got filled in with woodape putty.

William Parcher · 24th July 2015, 02:25 PM

These two images are of the same frame from the PGF. There is a vertical stick or twig in front of the left calf. Note how the length and thickness of that stick is different in the two images. I did not scale the two images so that they would be the same size, but I believe that a point can be made here anyway.

I think I understand the phenomenon on film known as "bloom" whereby light-colored and/or overexposed objects become larger and/or change shape. You can see that happening with the stick. But I think that that can't really be the end of the story. It would seem that darker objects (such as Patty herself) would become smaller and/or change shape because of the "invasion" of the blooming of lighter objects in the background or foreground.

This suggests to me that there may be challenges to determining true size and/or shape of almost anything in the PGF stills. I cannot say if this phenomenon is entirely eliminated when examining the higher-quality still frames. Additionally, the bloom phenomenon is not going to be limited to the outline/silhouette of Patty. There are lighter and darker areas all over her body, head and face which would be subject to bloom and therefore changing size and/or shape.

This would seem to matter in any analysis in which there is discussion of size and shape of any feature.

Mudcat · 25th July 2015, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by dmaker

It used to be that cell phone cameras were crap. That was the reigning excuse. Practically every cell phone sold today does high res pictures and 720p video.

I would accept that excuse even now. I can barely take acceptable pictures of my own cat using my cell phone, which is a pity because she is a beautiful Siamese with white boots and mittens.

John Nowak · 25th July 2015, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I would accept that excuse even now. I can barely take acceptable pictures of my own cat using my cell phone, which is a pity because she is a beautiful Siamese with white boots and mittens.

Certainly. This is the whole problem.

Bad pictures happen. Some people don't have the knack of taking pictures.

However, if 2 million tourists strolled through your place every year, some of them with thousands of dollars of camera kit, others with the proclaimed intention of taking pictures of your cat, then you can bet your sweet bippy that some amazing pictures of your cat would be out there.

If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good?

The Shrike · 25th July 2015, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by John Nowak

If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good?

Easy - you're not lying about seeing the orca.

Slowvehicle · 25th July 2015, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by John Nowak

Certainly. This is the whole problem.

Bad pictures happen. Some people don't have the knack of taking pictures.

However, if 2 million tourists strolled through your place every year, some of them with thousands of dollars of camera kit, others with the proclaimed intention of taking pictures of your cat, then you can bet your sweet bippy that some amazing pictures of your cat would be out there.

If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good?

https://bsccollateral.smugmug.com/By...20142548-L.jpg

Ummm...that's not 'Squatch...

John Nowak · 26th July 2015, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Easy - you're not lying about seeing the orca.

Or, more generously, I actually did see the orca.

John Nowak · 26th July 2015, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Slowvehicle

Ummm...that's not 'Squatch...

Of course not - orcas are real.

Wolrab · 26th July 2015, 08:31 AM

The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong.

Slowvehicle · 26th July 2015, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Wolrab

The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong.

Ummm...you're in denial, you're ugly, and your mama dresses you funny?

ETA: oh, wait, I mean "some patching".

Wolrab · 26th July 2015, 10:39 AM

Two out of three ain't bad.

John Nowak · 26th July 2015, 12:23 PM

I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide.

Originally Posted by Wolrab

The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong.

Darn. You've run rings around me, logically.

Wolrab · 29th July 2015, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by John Nowak

I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide.

Darn. You've run rings around me, logically.

They are everywhere! If there's a blur, it's a Bigfoot. If there's cover, Bigfoot is behind it. That is why they have spread from coast to coast without being seen on roads, bridges, or crossing rivers.

Drewbot · 30th July 2015, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by John Nowak

I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide.

Of course Orca doesn't run an hide from humans, humans haven't been killing them for hundreds of years... oh, wait.

John Nowak · 30th July 2015, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Of course Orca doesn't run an hide from humans, humans haven't been killing them for hundreds of years... oh, wait.

And where would an orca hide anyway? It's not like they can just dive underwater or something.

I'm pretty sure one of the footers on this very forum said that there were no good photographs of Bigfoot because they are only visible for "a second or so." Crimeny. That's more air time than a sea lion will give you.

Drewbot · 4th August 2015, 12:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw54YeCkS3M

ROLL ONE, COMPLETE: Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot Film and Preliminary Scenery of Bluff Creek

Drewbot · 4th August 2015, 12:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amhCCTTlbU

Rene Dahinden's Blue Creek Mountain Bigfoot Trackway Footage.

zooterkin · 6th August 2015, 10:12 PM

http://www.relativelyinteresting.com...ts-stabilized/
What PGF looks like stabilised.

AlaskaBushPilot · 6th August 2015, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amhCCTTlbU

Rene Dahinden's Blue Creek Mountain Bigfoot Trackway Footage.

Very serious investigators. A dog, a gun, and look what expert trackers. Don't those tracks look amateurish?

14th July 2015, 04:34 AM	#2
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,549	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch It could be the single best piece of evidence. If your best piece of evidence is a guy in a suit, it's screw city for bigfootery. Quote: It's either that or the various patterns that can be seen across thousands of reports. Yes, yes. What sort of evil genius could read a BFRO report and type something similar. It's almost impossible.
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14th July 2015, 04:44 AM	#3
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch That's a projection of your own personal suspicions about Patterson's character on the sentence I wrote. You wouldn't see it that way if you had the opposite opinion about Patterson. "If you already believed as I do, you would see why you ought to believe as I do..."
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14th July 2015, 04:47 AM	#4
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch The copy of frame 352 that I posted was obtained by MK Davis from Patricia Patterson's copy of the film. He paid to get high quality scans of several different frames of the film at a photo lab. Frame 352 was one of them. Frame 61 is from Bill Munn's inventory of Cibachrome scans. There's a few more from that copy that I can post if you want. QED
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14th July 2015, 07:54 AM	#5
Donn Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In my head. Posts: 7,758	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch They've been the foundation of my research ... That's search, not research.
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14th July 2015, 09:40 AM	#7
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14th July 2015, 07:58 AM	#6
ComfySlippers Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 4,723	Originally Posted by Donn That's search, not research. I think CT Logic dictates that when you search something for the second time you have re-searched the subject.

14th July 2015, 10:00 AM	#8
Gilbert Syndrome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Liverpool, UK Posts: 7,301	Originally Posted by HghrSymmetry OS, Well, when you have spent a lifetime looking for the subject and have completely and totally come up empty (with the subsequent feelings of frustration and dejection)... ...come back here and we'll let you know the reason for the failure. He feels that a discovery can happen within the next 3 years, but isn't willing to bet on it. Ironically, OS doesn't seem to have much more confidence in it being him or his "team" who make said discovery...despite having supposedly encountered Bigfoot on a couple of occasions.
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14th July 2015, 10:05 AM	#9
OntarioSquatch Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,783	You're mistaking me for someone else. I've never had any encounters and I'm not on any kind of research team.

14th July 2015, 10:19 AM	#10
Gilbert Syndrome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Liverpool, UK Posts: 7,301	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch You're mistaking me for someone else. I've never had any encounters and I'm not on any kind of research team. I'm pretty sure you've rambled on before about going out into the woods with people, and that's all I essentially meant, as there are no valid "research" teams out there who're thick enough to go looking for a figment of Roger Patterson's imagination. Didn't you have a thermal sighting, or is that Northern Lights? I remember the first time I smoked some Northern Lights, didn't see a single Squatch.
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14th July 2015, 02:26 PM	#11
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14th July 2015, 05:22 PM	#12
snoop_doxie Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In my reality tunnel Posts: 1,484	OntarioSquatch, How many female Bigfeet have been spotted by anyone who sees them? All of the research I have done (meaning reading some of the same stuff you do) barely mentions any Bigfeet with the mid torso breasts. Have you done any research here at International Skeptics or when it was JREF? Bill Munns came here and it ended in tears. (Bill Munns refused to share any of his work.) It was quite educational for me. It showed me quite clearly what someone will do or say to keep the illusion going. PS Did you answer my question about your experience with guns?

14th July 2015, 08:39 PM	#13
HghrSymmetry View clearer from above. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,947	Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome He feels that a discovery can happen within the next 3 years, but isn't willing to bet on it. Ironically, OS doesn't seem to have much more confidence in it being him or his "team" who make said discovery...despite having supposedly encountered Bigfoot on a couple of occasions. Interesting.
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15th July 2015, 03:27 PM	#14
barehl Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,655	The Golden Age of the Bigfoot Fetish is over. It's downhill from here and everyone knows it. When everyone in the woods has a cellphone with camera the excuses for no pictures or video devolve from special pleading to kicking and screaming. Sure, you can walk around the woods with a thermal camera and pretend to be hunting as they do on Finding Bigfoot but eventually even the stupidest Footies will notice that they never find anything.
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15th July 2015, 03:29 PM	#15
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,738	It used to be that cell phone cameras were crap. That was the reigning excuse. Practically every cell phone sold today does high res pictures and 720p video.

17th July 2015, 05:23 AM	#16
Donn Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In my head. Posts: 7,758	Bigfilter has conspired with bigcamera to digitally exclude bigfoot from all exposure. Look for the tell-tale shrubbery or suggestive logs that cover him.
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17th July 2015, 07:10 AM	#17
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	Originally Posted by Donn Bigfilter has conspired with bigcamera to digitally exclude bigfoot from all exposure. Look for the tell-tale shrubbery or suggestive logs that cover him. Brilliant! Google is surely involved.
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17th July 2015, 12:06 PM	#18
Monza Alta Viro Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,307	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch I believe his claim of having photos and videos because of the details of his encounters and the investigation that occurred, not because he claims to have photos and videos. Isn't this the same logical fallacy you criticized earlier? You are making a decision regarding the veracity of a video/film based on outside factors rather than on the video evidence itself. At least those who don't believe the PGF have at least seen it.
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24th July 2015, 11:34 AM	#19
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26,087	Here the sole appears to be square at the heel. It is generally regarded as an illusion. Here the sole appears to be ovoid. It is generally regarded as an illusion Here the toes appear to be flexing upwards. It is generally regarded as not being an illusion. I think it needs to be further examined as being another illusion.
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24th July 2015, 11:48 AM	#20
Macgyver1968 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 5,164	Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack?
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24th July 2015, 11:59 AM	#21
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,549	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack? Though it does have a backseam. "Hey Patty, I like the way the little line goes up the back of the monkeysuit. I've always liked those kind of wader hips too. No, no, no, don't take it off; leave it on, leave it on. Everybody wants some . . . I want some too!!"
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24th July 2015, 01:06 PM	#22
BayWatcher Scholar Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 103	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Ever noticed Patty doesn't have a buttcrack? It got filled in with woodape putty.
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24th July 2015, 02:25 PM	#23
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26,087	These two images are of the same frame from the PGF. There is a vertical stick or twig in front of the left calf. Note how the length and thickness of that stick is different in the two images. I did not scale the two images so that they would be the same size, but I believe that a point can be made here anyway. I think I understand the phenomenon on film known as "bloom" whereby light-colored and/or overexposed objects become larger and/or change shape. You can see that happening with the stick. But I think that that can't really be the end of the story. It would seem that darker objects (such as Patty herself) would become smaller and/or change shape because of the "invasion" of the blooming of lighter objects in the background or foreground. This suggests to me that there may be challenges to determining true size and/or shape of almost anything in the PGF stills. I cannot say if this phenomenon is entirely eliminated when examining the higher-quality still frames. Additionally, the bloom phenomenon is not going to be limited to the outline/silhouette of Patty. There are lighter and darker areas all over her body, head and face which would be subject to bloom and therefore changing size and/or shape. This would seem to matter in any analysis in which there is discussion of size and shape of any feature.
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25th July 2015, 11:48 AM	#24
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 6,474	Originally Posted by dmaker It used to be that cell phone cameras were crap. That was the reigning excuse. Practically every cell phone sold today does high res pictures and 720p video. I would accept that excuse even now. I can barely take acceptable pictures of my own cat using my cell phone, which is a pity because she is a beautiful Siamese with white boots and mittens.
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25th July 2015, 01:16 PM	#25
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	Originally Posted by Mudcat I would accept that excuse even now. I can barely take acceptable pictures of my own cat using my cell phone, which is a pity because she is a beautiful Siamese with white boots and mittens. Certainly. This is the whole problem. Bad pictures happen. Some people don't have the knack of taking pictures. However, if 2 million tourists strolled through your place every year, some of them with thousands of dollars of camera kit, others with the proclaimed intention of taking pictures of your cat, then you can bet your sweet bippy that some amazing pictures of your cat would be out there. If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good?
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25th July 2015, 01:21 PM	#26
The Shrike Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma, USA Posts: 5,147	Originally Posted by John Nowak If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good? Easy - you're not lying about seeing the orca.

25th July 2015, 05:59 PM	#27
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by John Nowak Certainly. This is the whole problem. Bad pictures happen. Some people don't have the knack of taking pictures. However, if 2 million tourists strolled through your place every year, some of them with thousands of dollars of camera kit, others with the proclaimed intention of taking pictures of your cat, then you can bet your sweet bippy that some amazing pictures of your cat would be out there. If I can go on a whale watch and take this, why aren't there any pictures of Bigfoot this good? https://bsccollateral.smugmug.com/By...20142548-L.jpg Ummm...that's not 'Squatch...
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26th July 2015, 07:30 AM	#28
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	Originally Posted by The Shrike Easy - you're not lying about seeing the orca. Or, more generously, I actually did see the orca.
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26th July 2015, 07:33 AM	#29
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	Originally Posted by Slowvehicle Ummm...that's not 'Squatch... Of course not - orcas are real.
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26th July 2015, 08:31 AM	#30
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,821	The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong.
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26th July 2015, 09:11 AM	#31
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by Wolrab The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong. Ummm...you're in denial, you're ugly, and your mama dresses you funny? ETA: oh, wait, I mean "some patching".
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26th July 2015, 10:39 AM	#32
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,821	Two out of three ain't bad.
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,821	__________________ "Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov

26th July 2015, 12:23 PM	#33
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide. Originally Posted by Wolrab The woods on the hills are out of focus. There are probably hundreds of bigfoot smiling right at us! Prove me wrong. Darn. You've run rings around me, logically.
	__________________ >Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do. -historian

29th July 2015, 05:15 PM	#34
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,821	Originally Posted by John Nowak I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide. Darn. You've run rings around me, logically. They are everywhere! If there's a blur, it's a Bigfoot. If there's cover, Bigfoot is behind it. That is why they have spread from coast to coast without being seen on roads, bridges, or crossing rivers.
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,821	__________________ "Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov

30th July 2015, 11:51 AM	#35
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by John Nowak I guess it must mean that orca are more common, and less intelligent than Bigfoot, and find it more difficult to hide. Of course Orca doesn't run an hide from humans, humans haven't been killing them for hundreds of years... oh, wait.
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,586	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

30th July 2015, 05:43 PM	#36
John Nowak Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,806	Originally Posted by Drewbot Of course Orca doesn't run an hide from humans, humans haven't been killing them for hundreds of years... oh, wait. And where would an orca hide anyway? It's not like they can just dive underwater or something. I'm pretty sure one of the footers on this very forum said that there were no good photographs of Bigfoot because they are only visible for "a second or so." Crimeny. That's more air time than a sea lion will give you.
	__________________ >Reason being is that you guys appear to have absolutely no field experience in listening for invisible people in the forest. I do. -historian