[Continuation] Today's Mass Shooting (2) - Page 3

Warp12 · 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I wonder how many of the obvious "warning signs" will have been ignored?

Originally Posted by Craig4

What in the actual **** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"?

Here's a ******* warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for?

I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Well, it is Texas. Maybe some of the kids had Republican parents who would have raised them Republican. I mean, if you think killing Republicans is the answer and all, I guess there is your silver lining.

Personally, I don't think shooting people is the answer.

Not voting for Republicans is the answer as they are a major part of the problem.

stanfr · 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Yawn. I feel a lot more outrage about the fact that it takes something like this to get people loudly dramatic. There are so many mass shootings and killings that people just ignore. But when a group of kids get shot up, suddenly murder matters. The life of those kids isn't worth any more than the those of any of the people who are shot on a daily basis in this country.

Of course, the last body can barely hit the floor before some politicians and their supporters are using it as a political platform. Every time.

fascinating how they are all shot, aint it?

Dr.Sid · 24th May 2022, 03:25 PM

Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm

Lurch · 24th May 2022, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

No link, so take it for what it's worth, but I thought I heard he took the guns his grandmother had, I'm guessing right before he killed her.

If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I was responding to a political rant about Republicans. And yes, it happens every time a mass shooting occurs. I'm pretty sure nobody broached politics until that gem was posted. I'm sure we'll get to hear plenty more from the politicians.

Blah, blah, blah....this IS a political problem: it's the GOP that fights against stricter gun laws and you know it. But, true to form, you just have to defend the GOP no matter what.

Craig4 · 24th May 2022, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question.

How brave of you.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Which is exactly what you are doing right now.

There are days when I really hate the Membership Agreement/

Tell me about it.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Tell me about it.

I suspect you agree with me that the mods should reconsider there "Racist posts are OK as long as they don;t get personal" stand.

Meadmaker · 24th May 2022, 03:35 PM

Oops. I was wrong about something. Must delete post before anyone notices.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 03:36 PM

The Texas AG is a piece of work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Paxton

In most states , even Red ones, he would have been gotten rid of a long time ago just on the corruption alone, , but not Texas.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm

And, who cares if a bunch of greasers kill each other? This is Texas, remember?

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

What in the actual **** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"?

Here's a ******* warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for?

What does ANYONE outside of the military and law enforcement need an assault or assault style weapon for?

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

These idiots seem to have forgotten that an armed ex cop tried to take out a shooter recently. Problem is that the shooter had body armor. The security guard got off some shots and DIED ANYWAYS.

Arm teachers? **** you Texas.

Dude, an elementary school. Wear those NRA hats proudly, you ignorant ********. Every gawdamn one of you.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them.

I know this from personal family history.

shemp · 24th May 2022, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

"The face of evil" apparently:

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...niMcgQqQuRv8pg

Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae.

Craig4 · 24th May 2022, 03:47 PM

The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go **** himself. I won't link the ****'s tweets.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go **** himself. I won't link the ****'s tweets.

To me, an attorney general being under indictment for corruption and sitll holding office is just incredible.
But then this is Texas.
God, I despise that state.

Dr.Sid · 24th May 2022, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae.

I'm saying it since 500 mass shooting ago.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 04:11 PM

And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming.
Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly.

Skeptic Ginger · 24th May 2022, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming.
Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly.

He was a citizen so I assume born here.

Not that that will matter to the bigots.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 04:38 PM

EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally.

shemp · 24th May 2022, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally.

I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please?

Rolfe · 24th May 2022, 04:51 PM

At least 21 dead including 18 children, according to this tweet from a journalist.

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/s...44198175657986

This is horrendous. It's worse than Dunblane.

ETA: The BBC is still on 14 children and a teacher, but I think they're just behind the curve.

shemp · 24th May 2022, 04:53 PM

None of this is going to stop. We have a political party and a Supreme Court that are hell-bent on burning everything to the ground in the name of a 225-year-old piece of paper and a 2000 year old book that they think gives them the right to do so, and then will pick up what's left after and create the Gilead they want. Then they'll attack China and the Muslim world in the name of Jesus and destroy everything.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please?

CNN. I'm watching it now.

shemp · 24th May 2022, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

CNN. I'm watching it now.

Thank you. Sadly, you were right.

Captain_Swoop · 24th May 2022, 05:08 PM

Thoughts and prayers.
Mental health.
Must we make this about politics now?
Too soon to talk about gun control.
We need to arm teachers.

Have I missed anything?

Rolfe · 24th May 2022, 05:11 PM

I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane.

The children were aged between seven and ten.

ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were.

crescent · 24th May 2022, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm

I think you might be judging this prematurely. We had better wait for Alex Jones to weigh in with his great worldly wisdom.

Then we'll know what to think.

Skeptical Greg · 24th May 2022, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

What does ANYONE outside of the military ~~and law enforcement~~ need an assault or assault style weapon for?

Fixed...

Captain_Swoop · 24th May 2022, 05:24 PM

Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick on Fox says "We have to harden these targets."

Stacyhs · 24th May 2022, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Thoughts and prayers.
Mental health.
Must we make this about politics now?
Too soon to talk about gun control.
We need to arm teachers.

Have I missed anything?

"Heidi & I are fervently lifting up in prayer the children and families in the horrific shooting in Uvalde."
Ted Cruz

SCREW YOU, Cruz. You're part of the problem.

ETA:

Checkmite · 24th May 2022, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by PitPat

Been watching Fox news coverage, just out of curiosity on the spin. Main message is that why don't these elementary schools have armed SRO's at each entrance, with metal detectors. Doesn't seem practical at any level (sure, guns in grade school). "Good guys with a gun."

It's a largely impractical idea at any school, but it's literally impossible at a school like the particular one this shooting happened at.

I went to an elementary school in Texas that was arranged exactly like this. Except for the gymnasium, cafeteria, and office areas, it's not one or two large buildings with internal hallways and a few entrances that can be locked or guarded. Most of the school consists of wings of classrooms and each classroom has its own exterior door. The common walkways are all outside and only covered with an awning.

Except for that office area, the school is for all practical purposes indefensible. And why wouldn't it be? It wasn't built with security from an armed attack in mind.

ETA: Streetview link - have a look and see what I mean.

Kestrel · 24th May 2022, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane.

The children were aged between seven and ten.

ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were.

Connecticut changed state laws after Sandy Hook. The NRA grip on Congress prevented anything from being done at the federal level.

Captain_Swoop · 24th May 2022, 05:28 PM

Greg Abbott tweet from 2015

"I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA"

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/st...27797853536256

marting · 24th May 2022, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

To me, an attorney general being under indictment for corruption and sitll holding office is just incredible.
But then this is Texas.
God, I despise that state.

Nothing new. i grew up within walking distance of Boston's James M. Curley estate. A beloved and corrupt Massachusetts politician. Was Boston's Mayor and even state Governor at different times. He was also in federal prison while Mayor.

Nothing new under the Sun.

dudalb · 24th May 2022, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

None of this is going to stop. We have a political party and a Supreme Court that are hell-bent on burning everything to the ground in the name of a 225-year-old piece of paper and a 2000 year old book that they think gives them the right to do so, and then will pick up what's left after and create the Gilead they want. Then they'll attack China and the Muslim world in the name of Jesus and destroy everything.

A little bit over the top I think.
A. I think it needs some amendments, but I am not read to throw out the Consittuion just yet.
Last sentence is really a bit much.
I expect over the top teenage angst from a teenager, but a grown up should know a little beter.

Captain_Swoop · 24th May 2022, 05:34 PM

Is America the only place that calls Elementary Schools 'targets'?

Warp12 · 24th May 2022, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

A little bit over the top I think.

Probably no more so than someone suggesting that Republicans need to be shot.

24th May 2022, 03:24 PM	#81
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Warp12 I wonder how many of the obvious "warning signs" will have been ignored? Originally Posted by Craig4 What in the actual ** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"? Here's a ***** warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for? I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question.
	Last edited by Warp12; 24th May 2022 at 03:31 PM.

24th May 2022, 03:24 PM	#83
stanfr Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,259	Originally Posted by Warp12 Yawn. I feel a lot more outrage about the fact that it takes something like this to get people loudly dramatic. There are so many mass shootings and killings that people just ignore. But when a group of kids get shot up, suddenly murder matters. The life of those kids isn't worth any more than the those of any of the people who are shot on a daily basis in this country. Of course, the last body can barely hit the floor before some politicians and their supporters are using it as a political platform. Every time. fascinating how they are all shot, aint it?
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24th May 2022, 03:29 PM	#87
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,497	Originally Posted by Warp12 I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question. How brave of you.
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24th May 2022, 03:33 PM	#89
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Tell me about it. I suspect you agree with me that the mods should reconsider there "Racist posts are OK as long as they don;t get personal" stand.
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24th May 2022, 03:35 PM	#90
Meadmaker Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 29,033	Oops. I was wrong about something. Must delete post before anyone notices.
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24th May 2022, 03:24 PM	#82
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Warp12 Well, it is Texas. Maybe some of the kids had Republican parents who would have raised them Republican. I mean, if you think killing Republicans is the answer and all, I guess there is your silver lining. Personally, I don't think shooting people is the answer. Not voting for Republicans is the answer as they are a major part of the problem.

24th May 2022, 03:25 PM	#84
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 3,993	Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall. /sarcasm

24th May 2022, 03:27 PM	#85
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,318	Originally Posted by Mike! No link, so take it for what it's worth, but I thought I heard he took the guns his grandmother had, I'm guessing right before he killed her. If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them.

24th May 2022, 03:28 PM	#86
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Warp12 I was responding to a political rant about Republicans. And yes, it happens every time a mass shooting occurs. I'm pretty sure nobody broached politics until that gem was posted. I'm sure we'll get to hear plenty more from the politicians. Blah, blah, blah....this IS a political problem: it's the GOP that fights against stricter gun laws and you know it. But, true to form, you just have to defend the GOP no matter what.

24th May 2022, 03:30 PM	#88
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Which is exactly what you are doing right now. There are days when I really hate the Membership Agreement/ Tell me about it.

24th May 2022, 03:36 PM	#91
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	The Texas AG is a piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Paxton In most states , even Red ones, he would have been gotten rid of a long time ago just on the corruption alone, , but not Texas.
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24th May 2022, 03:38 PM	#92
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall. /sarcasm And, who cares if a bunch of greasers kill each other? This is Texas, remember?
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24th May 2022, 03:38 PM	#93
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Craig4 What in the actual ** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"? Here's a ***** warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for? What does ANYONE outside of the military and law enforcement need an assault or assault style weapon for?

24th May 2022, 03:40 PM	#94
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by mgidm86 These idiots seem to have forgotten that an armed ex cop tried to take out a shooter recently. Problem is that the shooter had body armor. The security guard got off some shots and DIED ANYWAYS. Arm teachers? ** you Texas. Dude, an elementary school. Wear those NRA hats proudly, you ignorant ******. Every gawdamn one of you.

24th May 2022, 03:42 PM	#95
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Lurch If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them. I know this from personal family history.

24th May 2022, 03:45 PM	#96
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,732	Originally Posted by Vixen "The face of evil" apparently: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...niMcgQqQuRv8pg Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae.
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24th May 2022, 03:47 PM	#97
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,497	The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go ** himself. I won't link the **'s tweets.
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24th May 2022, 04:10 PM	#98
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Craig4 The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go ** himself. I won't link the **'s tweets. To me, an attorney general being under indictment for corruption and sitll holding office is just incredible. But then this is Texas. God, I despise that state.
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24th May 2022, 04:11 PM	#99
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 3,993	Originally Posted by shemp Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae. I'm saying it since 500 mass shooting ago.

24th May 2022, 04:11 PM	#100
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming. Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly.
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24th May 2022, 04:21 PM	#101
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,991	Originally Posted by dudalb And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming. Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly. He was a citizen so I assume born here. Not that that will matter to the bigots.

24th May 2022, 04:38 PM	#102
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally.

24th May 2022, 04:50 PM	#103
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,732	Originally Posted by Stacyhs EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally. I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please?
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24th May 2022, 04:51 PM	#104
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,276	At least 21 dead including 18 children, according to this tweet from a journalist. https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/s...44198175657986 This is horrendous. It's worse than Dunblane. ETA: The BBC is still on 14 children and a teacher, but I think they're just behind the curve.
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24th May 2022, 04:53 PM	#105
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,732	None of this is going to stop. We have a political party and a Supreme Court that are hell-bent on burning everything to the ground in the name of a 225-year-old piece of paper and a 2000 year old book that they think gives them the right to do so, and then will pick up what's left after and create the Gilead they want. Then they'll attack China and the Muslim world in the name of Jesus and destroy everything.
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24th May 2022, 04:55 PM	#106
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by shemp I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please? CNN. I'm watching it now.

24th May 2022, 04:57 PM	#107
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,732	Originally Posted by Stacyhs CNN. I'm watching it now. Thank you. Sadly, you were right.
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24th May 2022, 05:08 PM	#108
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43,373	Thoughts and prayers. Mental health. Must we make this about politics now? Too soon to talk about gun control. We need to arm teachers. Have I missed anything?

24th May 2022, 05:11 PM	#109
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,276	I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane. The children were aged between seven and ten. ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were.
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24th May 2022, 05:18 PM	#110
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,286	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall. /sarcasm I think you might be judging this prematurely. We had better wait for Alex Jones to weigh in with his great worldly wisdom. Then we'll know what to think.

24th May 2022, 05:24 PM	#111
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past ' Resume Speed ' . Posts: 18,478	Originally Posted by Stacyhs What does ANYONE outside of the military ~~and law enforcement~~ need an assault or assault style weapon for? Fixed...
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24th May 2022, 05:24 PM	#112
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43,373	Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick on Fox says "We have to harden these targets."

24th May 2022, 05:24 PM	#113
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Thoughts and prayers. Mental health. Must we make this about politics now? Too soon to talk about gun control. We need to arm teachers. Have I missed anything? "Heidi & I are fervently lifting up in prayer the children and families in the horrific shooting in Uvalde." Ted Cruz SCREW YOU, Cruz. You're part of the problem. ETA:
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24th May 2022, 05:26 PM	#114
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 27,987	Originally Posted by PitPat Been watching Fox news coverage, just out of curiosity on the spin. Main message is that why don't these elementary schools have armed SRO's at each entrance, with metal detectors. Doesn't seem practical at any level (sure, guns in grade school). "Good guys with a gun." It's a largely impractical idea at any school, but it's literally impossible at a school like the particular one this shooting happened at. I went to an elementary school in Texas that was arranged exactly like this. Except for the gymnasium, cafeteria, and office areas, it's not one or two large buildings with internal hallways and a few entrances that can be locked or guarded. Most of the school consists of wings of classrooms and each classroom has its own exterior door. The common walkways are all outside and only covered with an awning. Except for that office area, the school is for all practical purposes indefensible. And why wouldn't it be? It wasn't built with security from an armed attack in mind. ETA: Streetview link - have a look and see what I mean.
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24th May 2022, 05:28 PM	#115
Kestrel Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,236	Originally Posted by Rolfe I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane. The children were aged between seven and ten. ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were. Connecticut changed state laws after Sandy Hook. The NRA grip on Congress prevented anything from being done at the federal level.