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Old 4th January 2023, 08:38 PM   #121
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Can he be the new Speaker? The other guy trying for it seems unpopular also.
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About a week ago a resident of New York wrote, "I asked a neighbor of mine who had a Santos sign on his property what he thought. George Santos was elected my congressman, having beaten the Democratic nominee, Robert Zimmerman, pretty handily, replacing Tommy Suozzi as our representative. Why, I asked. He wasn’t the Democrat, was the answer my neighbor gave me. But did you know anything about Santos, who he was, what he stood for? “Nah. Who cared? He wasn’t the Democrat.”"

In the book Amusing Ourselves to Death, Neil Postman related a story about his father voting for a democrat who was a fool and a crook, just because he did not a republican to win. I don't have the quote in front of me; therefore, I cannot say how comparable the two situations were.
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Indeed he wasn't the Democrat. And therein lies the problem.
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Old 5th January 2023, 12:53 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
About a week ago a resident of New York wrote, "I asked a neighbor of mine who had a Santos sign on his property what he thought. George Santos was elected my congressman, having beaten the Democratic nominee, Robert Zimmerman, pretty handily, replacing Tommy Suozzi as our representative. Why, I asked. He wasn’t the Democrat, was the answer my neighbor gave me. But did you know anything about Santos, who he was, what he stood for? “Nah. Who cared? He wasn’t the Democrat.”"

In the book Amusing Ourselves to Death, Neil Postman related a story about his father voting for a democrat who was a fool and a crook, just because he did not a republican to win. I don't have the quote in front of me; therefore, I cannot say how comparable the two situations were.
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Indeed he wasn't the Democrat. And therein lies the problem.
And even worse than that, likely on a case-by-case basis he would prefer the Democratic Party position on many (most ?) key policies so he's voting blind against his own interests and preferred positions.
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Old 5th January 2023, 01:30 AM   #126
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I actually really like him. His mom really was a housekeeper and how many members of congress can say that. Val Demings mainly ran on growing up poor and got no points for that. I donated to her early on but she laid the poor thing on pretty thick. She should have ran on the issues. There were a lot of issues considering who she was running against. About Santos, it is pretty sad that you have to make lies like that to get elected. And they were really good fun lies! I think if given half the chance he could be really fun to watch.
I'm not in agreement about 'good fun lies', but how sad Santos felt the need to lie about his mother who was a housekeeper and/or cook. That's nothing to be ashamed of for sure.
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The more a country uses the terms "People's", "Socialist", or "Democratic", the less they actually are any of those. The same thing with "Freedom" and "Patriot (or form thereof) with groups.
Actually, "Socialist" is the one where they usually mean what they say. One of the S's in "USSR" was for "Socialist", for example.

Nazi Germany is the exception, and I can't think of any others.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Actually, "Socialist" is the one where they usually mean what they say. One of the S's in "USSR" was for "Socialist", for example.

Nazi Germany is the exception, and I can't think of any others.
They may "mean" what they say, but they rarely know what the word means. They just know that the word exists and it means "something bad".
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
They may "mean" what they say, but they rarely know what the word means. They just know that the word exists and it means "something bad".
Come to that, nobody seems to know what "socialist" means. In Europe, it's a word you stick into your political party's name. It's supposed to attract votes.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Actually, "Socialist" is the one where they usually mean what they say. One of the S's in "USSR" was for "Socialist", for example.

Nazi Germany is the exception, and I can't think of any others.
Not quite. The USSR wasn't socialist or communist in the true sense of the words. Historians generally agree that it was a state capitalist society run by an elite class of Communist Party members.

Vietnam (Socialist Republic of Vietnam) is not a true socialist country either.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Not quite. The USSR wasn't socialist or communist in the true sense of the words. Historians generally agree that it was a state capitalist society run by an elite class of Communist Party members.

Vietnam (Socialist Republic of Vietnam) is not a true socialist country either.
True Socialist country will never exist. True Socialism just does not fit in with human nature.
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Did Santos flash a white supremacist signal on the floor of the House?

That doesn't look inadvertant. He's ardent MAGA so it would come as no surprise.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
True Socialist country will never exist. True Socialism just does not fit in with human nature.
Same with capitalism, a purely capitalist country will never exist either.

Countries have to be a mix with varying proportions.
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Old 7th January 2023, 03:46 PM   #134
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Did Santos flash a white supremacist signal on the floor of the House?

That doesn't look inadvertant. He's ardent MAGA so it would come as no surprise.
Can Santos get any more stupid? From you article:

Quote:
Santos hired a MAGA “fixer” to help him repair his image, a source told The Post Friday. Viswanag “Vish” Burra, a world political operative tied to ex-White House strategist Steve Bannon and businessman Carl Paladino, joined Santos’ team at the recommendation of Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida).
More on Burra:

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/...gress-wdj27f5v
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Can Santos get any more stupid? From you article:



More on Burra:

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/...gress-wdj27f5v
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...at the recommendation of Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida).
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Old 7th January 2023, 05:45 PM   #136
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Okay there has got to be some equally stupid stuff going on with the Democrats right? I mean I'm just trying to make sure we aren't being unfair!

I just continue to have a problem accepting that a large group of people in this country are this ridiculously insane, stupid, foolish, hateful...basically everything bad and wrong. They are badong

And they are a caricature of all these things because the are so over the top with all of it. ALL of it.

We must all be equally bad, right? So where is it with the Dems currently? Any child molesters being protected, any Herschel Walkers babbling about? Anyone crying for the bible to be law of the land and the Constitution to be ignored? Crying about losing elections (and attempting to steal them), where's the MTG and Boobert? I laugh when they still mention AOC after all this time. Puuuhleeez! Who?

Why aren't there any threads about these bad Dems? And not to mention, but I will, where is the thread for "all others without their own thread" LOL! The fact that such a thread even exists....

And why am I the one who thinks they need a shrink?
I'm not crazy!
You're the one's who's crazy!
You're driving me crazy!

Okay gotta go.
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Okay there has got to be some equally stupid stuff going on with the Democrats right? I mean I'm just trying to make sure we aren't being unfair!

I just continue to have a problem accepting that a large group of people in this country are this ridiculously insane, stupid, foolish, hateful...basically everything bad and wrong. They are badong

And they are a caricature of all these things because the are so over the top with all of it. ALL of it.

We must all be equally bad, right? So where is it with the Dems currently? Any child molesters being protected, any Herschel Walkers babbling about? Anyone crying for the bible to be law of the land and the Constitution to be ignored? Crying about losing elections (and attempting to steal them), where's the MTG and Boobert? I laugh when they still mention AOC after all this time. Puuuhleeez! Who?

Why aren't there any threads about these bad Dems? And not to mention, but I will, where is the thread for "all others without their own thread" LOL! The fact that such a thread even exists....

And why am I the one who thinks they need a shrink?
I'm not crazy!
You're the one's who's crazy!
You're driving me crazy!

Okay gotta go.
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Have a Pepsi.
His mother wouldn't give it to him.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Okay there has got to be some equally stupid stuff going on with the Democrats right? I mean I'm just trying to make sure we aren't being unfair!

I just continue to have a problem accepting that a large group of people in this country are this ridiculously insane, stupid, foolish, hateful...basically everything bad and wrong. They are badong

And they are a caricature of all these things because the are so over the top with all of it. ALL of it.

We must all be equally bad, right? So where is it with the Dems currently? Any child molesters being protected, any Herschel Walkers babbling about? Anyone crying for the bible to be law of the land and the Constitution to be ignored? Crying about losing elections (and attempting to steal them), where's the MTG and Boobert? I laugh when they still mention AOC after all this time. Puuuhleeez! Who?

Why aren't there any threads about these bad Dems? And not to mention, but I will, where is the thread for "all others without their own thread" LOL! The fact that such a thread even exists....

And why am I the one who thinks they need a shrink?
I'm not crazy!
You're the one's who's crazy!
You're driving me crazy!

Okay gotta go.
Why do you think the right-wing is so obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop? It's all they've got.
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Why do you think the right-wing is so obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop? It's all they've got.
Just musing...

Would be hilarious if "Hunter Biden's laptop" contained only evidence of:
  • Gaetz's frolics with under-age girls
  • Juicy pics of Boebert "admiring" those dick-pics
  • All the goss on EmptyG's affairs with pool-boys while married...with pics
  • Details of all Tucker Carlson's under-the-table dealings with the Russians
  • All the inside info on Trump's illegal dealings with foreign powers and companies.

Published on free-to-air Twitter. And Facebook. And Mastadon. And Readit. And Tik Tok for good measure, in interpretive dance.
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Why do you think the right-wing is so obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop? It's all they've got.
"Hunter Biden's Laptop" is merely the current GOP's "Benghazi". The Dems should do exactly what the GOP did over subpoenas regarding The Fat Orange Turd... extend the middle finger.

I know how I would approaching things if I were in their place, if asked or subpoenaed to testify before the Vichy GOP's Kangaroo Court

"I agree to testify under the following conditions...

1. When asked a question, I will be allowed to answer it, in full and without interruptions from any members.

2. No grandstanding for interviews with the talking heads on Fox News.

3. If either of the above two conditions are not adhered to, I will get up and walk out."


I would remind them of these conditions in my opening statement.
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Did Santos flash a white supremacist signal on the floor of the House?

That doesn't look inadvertant. He's ardent MAGA so it would come as no surprise.
Was he to claim someone showed him the sign but didn't say what it meant, I'd find it all too credible.
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Was he to claim someone showed him the sign but didn't say what it meant, I'd find it all too credible.
Unfortunately, yes, because it would be a replay of the usual conservative get-out-of-jail-free card, that incompetence and stupidity exempt an official from responsibility.
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His mother wouldn't give it to him.

It’s just one Pepsi.
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It’s just one Pepsi.
No, you're on drugs!
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Vox reported, "But most importantly, we don’t know where Santos’s money comes from. The Representative-elect loaned his own campaign $700,000 during the 2022 cycle and claimed an income of $750,000. He also listed millions of dollars in assets including an apartment in Rio De Janeiro worth up to $1 million and a seven-figure savings account. It’s a major shift in fortune for someone who was evicted twice, in 2015 and 2017, for failing to pay rent and had been taken to court for not paying debts. Even in 2020, he reported income in only one category — compensation in excess of $5,000 paid by one source — with no other assets." hmm...
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Vox reported, "But most importantly, we don’t know where Santos’s money comes from. The Representative-elect loaned his own campaign $700,000 during the 2022 cycle and claimed an income of $750,000. He also listed millions of dollars in assets including an apartment in Rio De Janeiro worth up to $1 million and a seven-figure savings account. It’s a major shift in fortune for someone who was evicted twice, in 2015 and 2017, for failing to pay rent and had been taken to court for not paying debts. Even in 2020, he reported income in only one category — compensation in excess of $5,000 paid by one source — with no other assets." hmm...
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Vox reported, "But most importantly, we don’t know where Santos’s money comes from. The Representative-elect loaned his own campaign $700,000 during the 2022 cycle and claimed an income of $750,000. He also listed millions of dollars in assets including an apartment in Rio De Janeiro worth up to $1 million and a seven-figure savings account. It’s a major shift in fortune for someone who was evicted twice, in 2015 and 2017, for failing to pay rent and had been taken to court for not paying debts. Even in 2020, he reported income in only one category — compensation in excess of $5,000 paid by one source — with no other assets." hmm...
Has he been near Palm Beach, FL recently?
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"Santos’s financial situation becomes murkier upon closer examination of his company. The incoming congressman created the Devolder Organization in May 2021, just weeks after his prior employer, Harbor City Capitol, was accused of running a Ponzi scheme by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Santos was not implicated in and has denied any knowledge of the scheme...The Devolder Organization was dissolved in September of this year for failing to file an annual report. However, after the Times’s Dec. 19 report about Santos, the company was reinstated on Dec. 20, according to the Florida Department of State." The Hill. I did a quick Google search for the Devolder organization, and its address is on Merritt Island, FL, not far from a Ross Dress for Less discount clothing store (maybe they will take his checks). Merritt Island is near Cape Canaveral.

"The day after the Times story appeared, Santos took a curious step: He revived that mystery firm that he had claimed as the source of millions of dollars of income, and he listed as its address a Florida property associated with a former top official of the company that allegedly mounted that Ponzi scheme. Devolder’s resurrection was first reported by Talking Points Memo. The story of this firm is a key component of the Santos scandal." Mother Jones
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I wouldn't doubt Santos spends at least part of his only Congressional term in prison.
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Old 9th January 2023, 02:50 PM   #152
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I wouldn't doubt Santos spends at least part of his only Congressional term in prison.
All of it would be better. Cuts the GQP majority even smaller.
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"They all think I'm crazy, but I know better. It is not I who are crazy. It is I who am *mad*! Can't you hear them? Didn't you see the crowd?" - Ren Hoek

I quoted a Suicidal Tendency song. I used the Ren quote recently so had to look elsewhere for new material
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Has it been mentioned in this thread that he's being investigated by a DA (R) in New York?

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/29/11459...g-about-his-pa
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INSKEEP: What does the prosecutor say about this?

MANN: Well, the Office of Nassau County District Attorney Anne Donnelly - this is a Republican - she released a statement describing Santos' lies as nothing short of stunning. Donnelly has promised to investigate and says - and I'm quoting here - "if a crime was committed in this county, we will prosecute it."

INSKEEP: However, if lying, by itself, was a crime, an awful lot more people would be in jail, including maybe some members of Congress. What would the crime be here?

MANN: Yeah, well, as you point out, the Constitution does have rules about who can be sworn in, Steve, as a member of Congress. Dishonesty alone is not a deal breaker, but there are campaign laws....... [snipped]

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MANN: Now, Santos has said in interviews that he broke no laws. He says this was his own money he loaned to his campaign. But his financial history now faces close scrutiny, and Democrats are calling on the Federal Election Commission to also investigate.
So are some Republicans. Maybe this has been mentioned here already.
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Not all Republicans are pieces of corrupt crap. Kudos to Anne Donnelly.

Allegedly, Santos disbursed dozens of amounts of exactly $199.99, one penny below the legal requirement to report.
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Oh for the love of...

https://news.yahoo.com/santoss-aide-...213056230.html

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...Rich Republican donors fielded calls and email messages from Dan Meyer, McCarthy’s chief of staff, over the last two election cycles, asking for money to help Santos get elected. Or so they thought.

A wealthy financier who donated to the Santos campaign told CNBC that the person calling was actually Sam Miele, a staffer employed by Santos to raise money for the campaign.

It's unclear how McCarthy will react to the new developments because he has been silent on the matter since the revelations began to unspool several weeks ago.

In the lead-up to last week’s 15 votes to elect McCarthy to the speakership position, the Republican leader had gone to great lengths not to do anything that would lose him votes, including Santos's.

In need of every vote he could get, McCarthy appeared to ignore the accusations against Santos, and during the rounds of voting, Santos was seen on the House floor hobnobbing with influential far right-wing Republicans like Reps. Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and Marjorie Taylor Greene...
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Sounds like out and out fraud to me.
Only defense Santos really has is "I did;nt know what was going on" and make his campaign guy the fall guy.
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Onr question I have is what kind of idiot did Santos' opponent have as he "opposition researchers" to not have uncovered this stuff before the election/
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Onr question I have is what kind of idiot did Santos' opponent have as he "opposition researchers" to not have uncovered this stuff before the election/
As I posted earlier, a local paper exposed many of Santos' lies and Robert Zimmerman (the Dem candidate) tried unsuccessfully to get it into more papers and to the public.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Onr question I have is what kind of idiot did Santos' opponent have as he "opposition researchers" to not have uncovered this stuff before the election/
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
As I posted earlier, a local paper exposed many of Santos' lies and Robert Zimmerman (the Dem candidate) tried unsuccessfully to get it into more papers and to the public.
So the question might be better asked: Who covered it up?
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