Murders of 4 Idaho College Students - suspect arrested

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by marting

Varies. My current car is a 2009 hybrid. The thing has been flawless.

We're still driving our '07 Honda Civic, although we expect to replace it soon. My '15 Honda Fit is still going strong, too.

There's nothing unusual about someone driving a ~10 year old car, especially if that person is a student. But given the source it might be good for about 50 pages worth of posts.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Vixen

His sister is some kind of psychotherapist, which makes me wonder if his family knew only too well their dear son and brother had some kind of mental health problem, as it were, even if only at a low-level consciousness.

This one sentence says so much about your entire posting history here.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Darat

Sadly, I think too many of us are influenced by the TV CIS style programmes and think everything can be done in a day. Forensic work can take weeks and even months to come to a conclusion.

And due respect to them for keeping quiet about their leads, so that they could track this POS down, even as the media branded them as incompetent bumpkins.

[Foster Zygote]

From what I've seen recently, two of the victims worked at a restaurant nearby that the suspect had patronized. Given the earlier mentioned accounts from the bar employees, he probably became obsessed with one/both of them and learned where they lived by following them home.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

This one sentence says so much about your entire posting history here.

Explain what you mean.

[Vixen]

Virtual real estate tour of 1122 where the crimes took place (nothing sensitive):

https://www.kuula.co/post/NWF5Q/collection/79sT0

[Vixen]

The probable cause affidavit is now online:

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#BryanKohberger Probable Cause Affidavit is online! Click the link to download the pdf! #Idaho #IdahoHomidices

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/...tt%20Payne.pdf

Twitter

https://twitter.com/AwenRees/status/...P_JwskWAeGbIIg

The charges are also revealed, as the expected Felon Burglary and four individual murder counts.

[Vixen]

The killer left the knife sheath behind. DNA compatible with suspect's father.

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On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger
family residence located in Albrightsville, PA. That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for
testing. On December 28,2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profrle obtained ftom
the trash and the DNA profile obtained from the sheath, identified a male as not being excluded
as the bioiogical father of Suspect Profrle. At least 99.9998% of the male population would be
expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father.

affidavit

[Bob001]

This leaps out:

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D.M. stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5' I 0" or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her room after seeing the male. D.M. did not state that she recognized the male. This leads investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene.

So the surviving roommate heard suspicious sounds, saw a suspicious person and neither called the cops nor checked on her roommates. She'll be living with that for a long time. On the other hand, she's lucky to be alive.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Bob001

This leaps out:


So the surviving roommate heard suspicious sounds, saw a suspicious person and neither called the cops nor checked on her roommates. She'll be living with that for a long time. On the other hand, she's lucky to be alive.

Hindsight is a fine thing. There had been at least two noise violations at that property in recent months, so it is reasonable for Dylan to have assumed it was some kind of couples row, with the crying.

It is quite chilling that the audio sensors outside the building picked up a harrowing scream and a thud.

I am guessing Dylan is relieved that she wasn't next, now she knows what really took place upstairs.

Hopefully for the police, she will be able to positively identify him.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Hindsight is a fine thing. There had been at least two noise violations at that property in recent months, so it is reasonable for Bethany to have assumed it was some kind of couples row, with the crying.
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A couples row might be one thing. A masked stranger going out the back door is something else. That would be hard to ignore.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Vixen

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Hopefully for the police, she will be able to positively identify him.

He was wearing a mask.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Bob001

A couples row might be one thing. A masked stranger going out the back door is something else. That would be hard to ignore.

Could pass as a covid mask...?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Bob001

He was wearing a mask.

This intruder had 'bushy eyebrows'. I can't help thinking Kohberger's public defender will have fun with that one.

[Bob001]

Short summary of the affidavit: Police have massive video footage and cell records showing Kohberger's car and phone around the house on numerous occasions going back months, and video of his car near the house the night of the murders.

[Vixen]

Another noticeable point: his cell phone appears to have been switched off or put to 'flight mode' for the duration of the murder timings.

[William Parcher]

They wanted photos of his hands. I wonder if he cut himself and they found his blood at the scene. Why else would they want pics of his hands?

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Another noticeable point: his cell phone appears to have been switched off or put to 'flight mode' for the duration of the murder timings.

Yet another major screw up. You always leave your phone at home when commiting crimes, so the GPS data will be consistent with being home in bed. I thought kids today were supposed to be tech savvy? Why bring a phone at all? You probably don't need to keep up with tweets from the Beeb when commiting grisly mass murders.

[marting]

Cell phone pings and videos that match his car driving near the site. Knife sheath, DNA from the dad collected from his trash. Eye witness in the house.

Lot's of evidence that will be hard for the defense to explain.

What most surprises me is that they kept so much of that secret until he was arrested. Remarkable given the media interest. Kudos to the investigators.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Yet another major screw up. You always leave your phone at home when commiting crimes, so the GPS data will be consistent with being home in bed.
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Do you speak from experience?

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

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Then there is this, more from Fox News, making me wonder if they waited for anyone to answer the door:

Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger [PA] home

I'm in no way saying anything good about this guy. But on general principles I think no-knock warrants should be reserved for the most extreme circumstances. They had this guy under surveillance for weeks. They could have arrested him the next time he left the house, or surrounded the house in the middle of the day and shouted "Come out," or just knocked on his door and said "We have a warrant." Too many things have gone wrong too many times with deadly results for this to be the cops' first choice.

[Tero]

The knife is gone, and the DNA on the knife sheath is his dad's not the kid's.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna64406

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Bob001

This leaps out:


So the surviving roommate heard suspicious sounds, saw a suspicious person and neither called the cops nor checked on her roommates. She'll be living with that for a long time. On the other hand, she's lucky to be alive.

Yes, kind of weird but I can see being too afraid to go elsewhere in the house. And I can see not calling the cops because you want to think there was nothing wrong, people wear face masks because of COVID.

And as for guilt, those 4 were already dead by then.

What I find harder to understand is why wait until the afternoon to check on the roommates but I can also see not opening one's roommate's doors.


I also wonder why none of the 4 screamed. If the roommate heard crying and some words spoken, they could have screamed.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

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And as for guilt, those 4 were already dead by then.
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I don't know if we can be sure of that. People have survived horrible injuries, even in combat, if they got immediate medical care.

[marting]

Originally Posted by Tero

The knife is gone, and the DNA on the knife sheath is his dad's not the kid's.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna64406

Nope. It's the son's. Read it again. The trash they collected DNA from was outside the father's home.

Quote:

On Dec. 27, police collected garbage from outside the Kohberger home.

The evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing and a DNA profile was compared with DNA discovered on the knife sheath.

According to the affidavit, the DNA retrieved from the trash indicated a high probability it is from the biological father of the person who left DNA on the knife sheath at the crime scene in Moscow.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

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I also wonder why none of the 4 screamed. If the roommate heard crying and some words spoken, they could have screamed.

If TV crime shows are any guide, the first thing an armed intruder says when he breaks in is "Don't scream." But I don't know how someone could avoid screaming when they're actually being stabbed. There was also a dog on the scene. Didn't it bark at a violent stranger?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Bob001

If TV crime shows are any guide, the first thing an armed intruder says when he breaks in is "Don't scream." But I don't know how someone could avoid screaming when they're actually being stabbed. There was also a dog on the scene. Didn't it bark at a violent stranger?

The dog might be used to having lots of strange people around so might not bark as a guard dog might at the approach of a visitor. However, a neighbouring audio-sensor picked up the dog barking so you wonder if Dylan heard the dog.

It is upsetting to discover that she heard crying. It suggests a victim was begging for her life or had witnessed an attack on a friend.

The puzzle is, Xana was supposedly still on her cellphone looking at Tik Tok and had called for a food delivery at 4:00am. She was with boyfriend Nathan, quite a large well-built guy, so it I wonder how they can have been 'killed in their sleep', or even all four of them, especially if crying was heard.

Another new detail is Dylan actually coming face to face with the killer and his simply walking out through the sliding door on Floor 2. She wouldn't have known of the killings at the time but she did lock herself in until new midday. No mention of what Bethany was doing. Maybe there was some kind of anxiety that stopped her acting at all. She called friends before calling the cops.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by marting

Nope. It's the son's. Read it again. The trash they collected DNA from was outside the father's home.

The probable cause affidavit does say it was matched to the father.

Quote:

On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger
family residence located in Albrightsville, PA. That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for
testing. On December 28,2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profile obtained ftom
the trash and the DNA profile obtained from the sheath, identified a male as not being excluded
as the biological father of Suspect Profile. At least 99.9998% of the male population would be
expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father.

[marting]

Originally Posted by Vixen

The probable cause affidavit does say it was matched to the father.

No. It says the sample taken from the trash could not be excluded as that of the father of the (Suspect Profile) where the sheath's DNA was. If the DNA directly matched the father, they would just say that it matched that person, not that the trash DNA was consistent with the suspect's father.

Here's the New York Times description. They do a better job descibing this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/u...-evidence.html

Quote:

In December, investigators traced Mr. Kohberger to his parents’ house in Pennsylvania. On Dec. 27, while he was there over winter break, the police managed to retrieve some garbage from the house and sent what appears to have been a DNA sample from Mr. Kohberger’s father for testing. The results showed a strong probability that the elder Mr. Kohberger was the father of whoever left DNA on the knife sheath.

[Chris_Halkides]

Here is some more information on the DNA from USA Today. ""They evidently found a profile that was consistent with being the biological father of the DNA profile obtained from the knife (sheath), which means that at least for every region that they analyzed, half of that was present in both individuals," Podini said."

[Tero]

Originally Posted by Tero

The knife is gone, and the DNA on the knife sheath is his dad's not the kid's.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna64406

I was confused there, it maybe was written poorly.

The DNA on the sheath is his most likely. The knife is from some marine. The comparison DNA from the dad is from trash the police picked at the PA house. Just like in TV shows!

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ida...7bca60542dcacf

[Thermal]

This doofus actually left the knife sheath at the scene?

Also Xana was ordering Door dash food at 4AM, and the murders occured between 4 and 4:25? It's all getting a bit tough to swallow, and that's before one guy stabbing four people to death in their beds and no one woke up, and one was awake through it all and saw the murderer leaving?

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Thermal

This doofus actually left the knife sheath at the scene?

Also Xana was ordering Door dash food at 4AM, and the murders occured between 4 and 4:25? It's all getting a bit tough to swallow, and that's before one guy stabbing four people to death in their beds and no one woke up, and one was awake through it all and saw the murderer leaving?

The affidavit says she got food at 4, was using her phone at 4:12, and they were murdered by 4:25. The guy was probably watching the house for his best chance. It's all pretty weird. But other reports say the place was a party house, with people coming and going all the time. A stranger and even odd noises might not have been unusual.

Quote:

The 20-year-old marketing major’s final meal — likely from Jack in the Box, as The Post’s pictures taken inside the house show — was dropped off by a driver at the house on King Road in Moscow at 4 a.m., according to the probable cause affidavit.

Kernodle was active on her phone at 4:12 a.m. but had been slaughtered alongside her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, 20, in her bedroom by 4:25, investigators said in the report.

Her roommates, Madison Mogen, 21, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, were murdered as they slept on a different floor.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/idaho-...before-murder/

It still seems strange to me that the survivor didn't check on her friends before the next morning.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Bob001

The affidavit says she got food at 4, was using her phone at 4:12, and they were murdered by 4:25. The guy was probably watching the house for his best chance. It's all pretty weird. But other reports say the place was a party house, with people coming and going all the time. A stranger and even odd noises might not have been unusual.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/idaho-...before-murder/

It still seems strange to me that the survivor didn't check on her friends before the next morning.

Just noticed that some of them were at a frat party that night. Possibly lit up like Christmas trees? Were there tox scans done?

And yeah, murdering four on two different doors and walking right by other awake people who didn't react for hours is so odd.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Per standard news reporting:

Idaho murders: FBI denies directing Indiana police to pull over Bryan Kohberger

This report says the FBI were tailing them, however.

Quote:

A Federal Bureau of Investigation surveillance team tracked Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger and his father on a cross-country road trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania and members of a law enforcement coalition investigating the allged killer asked Indiana police to pull him over, according to a law enforcement source.

The source tells Fox News that members of the task force investigating the murders in Idaho – a group which includes the FBI -- had Kohberger under surveillance as he and his father drove from Washington State to Pennsylvania. Members of that task force, the source noted, asked authorities in Indiana to pull the pair over to get a closer look at Bryan Kohberger's hands.

The FBI denies it had any involvement in requesting the Hyundai Elantra be pulled over, telling Fox News Digital in a statement that "the December 15th traffic stops conducted on the vehicle being driven by Bryan Kohberger in Indiana were not requested or directed by the FBI."

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Thermal

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And yeah, murdering four on two different doors and walking right by other awake people who didn't react for hours is so odd.

If you've seen any of those documentaries of people who survived things like plane crashes where most people perished they demonstrate that most people don't act. One shows a woman survived because she climbed over the seat-backs while other people were getting their belongings from the overhead bin while the plane was on fire.

I was in a Zones once when my son was young. The fire alarm went off and the staff just stood there looking around. I didn't and myself and the other mothers started getting the kids out.

In hindsight one would think the roommate should have called 911 and checked on the others in the house. But I can see a person being reluctant to act.

[Vixen]

The dog barking was picked up at 04:17, which is maybe when or after Kaylee was being attacked, together with a 'whimper' sound and a thud.

Quote:

D.M. and B.F. both made statements during interviews that indicated the occupants of the
King Road Residence were at home by 2:00 a-m. and asleep or at least in their rooms by
approximately 4:00 a.m. This is with the exception of Kernodle, who received a DoorDash order
at the residence at approximately 4:00 a.m. (law enforcement identified the DoorDash delivery
driver who reported this information).
p 5

affidavit

With the information (not given here) that Goncalves had texted her ex-boyfriend (whom she broke with three weeks before the murder) Jack Ducoeur ten times up to 4:00am, and Madison had texted him three times, one wonders (1) what was the content of the text messages (a call for help?) and (b) was the delivery of food arriving at 4:00 some kind of attempt to get a witness to the scene without arousing the suspicion of Kohberger?

Investigators in the affidavit say they believe the murders took place between 4:00 and 4:25. The dog barking was picked up at 4:17.

Quote:

D.M. stated she was awoken at approximately 4:00 a-m. by what she stated
sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog in one of the upstairs bedrooms, which were
located on the third floor. A short time later, D.M. said she heard who she thought was
Goncalves say something to the effect of "there's someone here."

ibid

If Goncalves recognised Kohberger (people are claiming she knew him) then perhaps she was attempting to appease him when she realised his negative intent and the loud 'Someone is here' perhaps to signal a hidden call for help to others, which Dylan did hear.

I guess time will tell what the sequence of events was according to the prosecutors as the autopsy part has been redacted. There seems to be quite a long piece redacted about Ethan.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Suddenly

Given there is evidence she exists and the town they said she was arrested in is actually in the correct location for the jail I'd lean more towards her being gullible while spending time in the drunk tank.

Now how on earth this ends up as an "exclusive" in a London "newspaper" is a whole thing though. Maybe social media or something? It isn't like the fail has beat reporters in the Poconos...

It's the Faily Heil, they'll print the stuff the National Enquirer won't touch.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

They wanted photos of his hands. I wonder if he cut himself and they found his blood at the scene. Why else would they want pics of his hands?

Maybe. Plus cutting up people takes some force and his hands could have bruising consistent with that.

[Stacyhs]

And so the rush to blame Dylan begins. You can bet your last dollar that many of these armchair detectives will never give up that belief no matter what.

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Bcc243, Conshohocken, United States, 8 hours ago

She heard people talking upstairs so she could clearly hear any other noises like screams or stabbing sound or whatever other sounds are made when 4 people are stabbed to death. She saw the killer face to face and noticed his bushy eyebrows, so she could easily have seen him covered in blood after he just stabbed 4 people. She would have seen bloody footprints going down the hall. She couldn't have been too intoxicated to remember those details. She waited 8 hours to call police or check on her roomates after hearing them cry and moan and coming face to face with a blood covered stranger in her house, who walked right past her without killing her too. There is no other possibility than she and her other roomate are the killers and maybe she is trying to frame the guy they have in custody, or all 3 of them planned and committed it. No chance the 2 surviving roommates aren't involved. The police have to know this too and is why they didn't release that info early on.

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anetnel, ny, United States, 11 hours ago

Frozen in shock my azzz. Shes fishy.

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DMarie1988, Shawnee, United States, 11 hours ago

So one of the roommates heard crying and saw a man dressed as a burglar leaving then house. Then proceeded to stay locked in their room sleep, wake up and try to wake the other roommates and call friends since they were unresponsive and then called the cops? Seems like the story is all messed up or this roommate was in on it.

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Clotilde H, Los Angeles, United States, 14 hours ago

Everyone reacts differently to a violent crime. That being said, being present during a similar murder as a child, I can say that the first thing one does when there's a suspicious person in the house and you hear crying and moaning, is call the police. It's not like she needed to wait it out in her room because homes only have a landline phone in the kitchen and cell phones don't exist. I know the confusion and terror. The first thing you do is barricade yourself in a room and call the police. Her story makes no sense. Something isn't being said. People quite possibly could have been saved had she called the police.

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Bunny Rabbit, Las Vegas, 15 hours ago

Is she a survivor or a co-conspirator ?

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theevieempire, Bouncing the grid, United States, 16 hours ago

Her affidavit says she was frozen in fear. She heard a cry and someone say I'm here to help . He was masked - who puts on a mask to leave a booty call? Any normal person doesn't go back to sleep and not check on their roommates or call authorities. Your case file has more holes than Swiss cheese. You have failed Kojak academy.