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Old 2nd September 2018, 07:30 AM   #1
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In CT'er talk, what distinguishes "the Jews", the Vatican, and the "NWO?"

Furthermore, what distinguishes the Rothschilds from the Rockefellers, and the globalists from the Bilderbergs, and the Reptilians from the Pedophile Ring?

JAQ...
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You ask as if they aren't all just treated as one and the same.
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Old 2nd September 2018, 10:33 AM   #3
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You know how each Christian kind of has their own, private religion unique to them? They each have their own mental idea of God, what God does and does not do, and how He interacts with the world?

NWO conspiracy theorists are kind of the same. There's not a lot of agreement among them about how any of it works in terms of details, and their positions on it all change from month to month and year to year based on whatever random factoid they most recently ran across.
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Old 2nd September 2018, 11:54 AM   #4
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Jews have way better food.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Jews have way better food.
And free discounts at Starbucks. Something we Templar Knights don't get... ¬¬
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Originally Posted by Allen773 View Post
Furthermore, what distinguishes the Rothschilds from the Rockefellers, and the globalists from the Bilderbergs, and the Reptilians from the Pedophile Ring?

JAQ...
You've forgotten Antifa and the New Black Panthers. And the lying news media.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Jews have way better food.

And we never pay retail for diamonds.
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Old 2nd September 2018, 04:37 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
You know how each Christian kind of has their own, private religion unique to them? They each have their own mental idea of God, what God does and does not do, and how He interacts with the world?

NWO conspiracy theorists are kind of the same. There's not a lot of agreement among them about how any of it works in terms of details, and their positions on it all change from month to month and year to year based on whatever random factoid they most recently ran across.
You seen that in pyramidiots too, they don't agree on anything, whether its Atlanteans, Masons, various types of Aliens, etc., etc., except that Egyptology is totally wrong.
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Old 2nd September 2018, 04:40 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Jews have way better food.
What with no lobster, shrimp or bacon? I think not!
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You seen that in pyramidiots too, they don't agree on anything, whether its Atlanteans, Masons, various types of Aliens, etc., etc., except that Egyptology is totally wrong.
Yeah, and there's a lot of overlap between the pyramidiots and the NWO CTers, too. Stuff like aliens and the Illuminati feature prominently in both, depending on which person you talk to, and when.
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You get that with the JFK conspiracy theorists, also. Was it the CIA, the FBI, LBJ, Anti-Castro Cubans, Pro-Castro Cubans, the DIA, Right Wing Oil Interests, the John Birch Society, the Mob, the Soviet Union, or do you go full Oliver Stone and say all of the above?

Every CTer has their own personal pet theory, but they all agree it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald.
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You get that with the JFK conspiracy theorists, also. Was it the CIA, the FBI, LBJ, Anti-Castro Cubans, Pro-Castro Cubans, the DIA, Right Wing Oil Interests, the John Birch Society, the Mob, the Soviet Union, or do you go full Oliver Stone and say all of the above?
What's funny-ish about that is, Jack and Bobby both thought they were going to end up assassinated, and they themselves couldn't figure out who would end up being behind it. They used to joke about which of those entities it would be.

Here's one reference to the two of them expecting to get murdered. Not the one I'm thinking of, tho.
https://books.google.com/books?id=0x...0it%22&f=false

And the first lady thought it was the Texas oilmen and LBJ:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ved-death.html

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Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy,
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Old 3rd September 2018, 05:54 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
You've forgotten Antifa and the New Black Panthers. And the lying news media.
And the Deep State (Definition: anyone remaining in Federal government who still has a conscience).
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Old 3rd September 2018, 07:59 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Allen773 View Post
Furthermore, what distinguishes the Rothschilds from the Rockefellers, and the globalists from the Bilderbergs, and the Reptilians from the Pedophile Ring?

JAQ...
The NWO has free parking, and a shuttle to the secret temple where we hold black mass, and hold our pot-luck dinners. The Vatican controls the Bingo market. The Rothschilds have the best wine cellars ever. The Rockefellers trip over themselves to give money to worthy causes.

The Bilderbergs meet in the Netherlands which automatically means they're up to something. I think there is a link between the chocolate shortages and a secret space program with their end game being an escape plan for the wealthiest Europeans and Americans to a planet with a fudge-based economy.

Globalists are those deemed not cool enough to be Bilderbergs.

Reptilians are obviously behind global warming, just as Charlie Sheen tried to warn us in one of his movies.
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Old 4th September 2018, 06:24 AM   #15
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The Vatican can drink wine... the jews can't
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The NWO has free parking, and a shuttle to the secret temple where we hold black mass, and hold our pot-luck dinners.
Wait, what? All I got was a 5$ gift card.
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Old 4th September 2018, 07:19 AM   #17
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Years ago when I listened to late night radio I heard a local knock off of Art Bell interview a Jewish conspiracy nut. He had the same grand conspiracy as everyone else only they were NAZI bankers rather than Jewish bankers. Literally, the Rothschilds were NAZI's in this guys version. Jack Chick thought that Islam was created by the Catholics for.......reasons? Anyrate, the only thing that distinquishes the villain of one grand conspiracy vs another is who the speaker hates more. I think that David Icke probably doesn't want to think of himself as an anti-semite so for hims its lizard people. Various Chrisians don't want to think its the people of their savior but they still hate the Jews so they've invented explanations for how the moder Jews are the real Jews.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The NWO has free parking, and a shuttle to the secret temple where we hold black mass, and hold our pot-luck dinners. The Vatican controls the Bingo market. The Rothschilds have the best wine cellars ever. The Rockefellers trip over themselves to give money to worthy causes.

The Bilderbergs meet in the Netherlands which automatically means they're up to something. I think there is a link between the chocolate shortages and a secret space program with their end game being an escape plan for the wealthiest Europeans and Americans to a planet with a fudge-based economy.

Globalists are those deemed not cool enough to be Bilderbergs.

Reptilians are obviously behind global warming, just as Charlie Sheen tried to warn us in one of his movies.
Their HQ is under Schiphol.

So, truthers were "KINDA" right, except:

1. Their HQ is underneat the airport of Amsterdam, and not in Denver
2. It's in The Netherlands, and not in the US
3. It's The Bilderberg Group, and not The Illuminati (seriously, who has their HQ all the way up in the snowy mountains in Switzerland?)

Also, Charlie Sheen is behind Global Warming. The Reptilian stuff he mentioned in that movie, is a False Flag.
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Anyrate, the only thing that distinquishes the villain of one grand conspiracy vs another is who the speaker hates more. I think that David Icke probably doesn't want to think of himself as an anti-semite so for hims its lizard people.


I think it's exactly this. In fact, in the past, David Icke has actually gotten angry at some neo-nazis claiming that he's "actually talking about the Jews"; he insists that no, he really means actual lizardoids.


It would be interesting to do a study on who "They" are in any given CT as a function of time/age of the particular CTist making the claim. I bet there would be a strong correlation. "The Vatican" being behind everything seems kind of quaint and old-fashioned these days, so I expect most people who still blame them probably got their start in CT lore back in the 50s, when asking if JFK was beholden to the Pope seemed like a reasonable question to some people. Conversely, I expect most people who discuss the NWO (like myself, btw) first got involved in the late 80s, when then President Bush used this term in a speech, giving credence to the idea that there was some kind of secret world government. "The Illuminati" probably gets a boost in people who came of age in the 70s, when the "Illuminatus Trilogy" became popular.

Of course, The Jews win out just for their long-standing cultural legacy of being Them. Probably the world-record holders for how long they've been blamed for ****.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I think it's exactly this. In fact, in the past, David Icke has actually gotten angry at some neo-nazis claiming that he's "actually talking about the Jews"; he insists that no, he really means actual lizardoids.


It would be interesting to do a study on who "They" are in any given CT as a function of time/age of the particular CTist making the claim. I bet there would be a strong correlation. "The Vatican" being behind everything seems kind of quaint and old-fashioned these days, so I expect most people who still blame them probably got their start in CT lore back in the 50s, when asking if JFK was beholden to the Pope seemed like a reasonable question to some people. Conversely, I expect most people who discuss the NWO (like myself, btw) first got involved in the late 80s, when then President Bush used this term in a speech, giving credence to the idea that there was some kind of secret world government. "The Illuminati" probably gets a boost in people who came of age in the 70s, when the "Illuminatus Trilogy" became popular.

Of course, The Jews win out just for their long-standing cultural legacy of being Them. Probably the world-record holders for how long they've been blamed for ****.
So you're saying it's probably the Jews after all?
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So you're saying it's probably the Jews after all?


We should do a food pyramid style diagram of which CT theories rest on which. Jews would, of course, form the base
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Here's a new take on the "New World Order":

http://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/cyberh...-findings.html
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Here's a new take on the "New World Order":

http://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/cyberh...-findings.html
I like this quote from that website:

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"The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy."—Abraham Lincoln (1863)
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I like this quote from that website:
It appears to be a fake/dubious quote.

Can you find where Lincoln supposedly said it, or a valid source for the quote?
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The Vatican can drink wine... the jews can't
Er you've obviously never been to a Pesach feast.

Even the kiddies get wine.
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It appears to be a fake/dubious quote.

Can you find where Lincoln supposedly said it, or a valid source for the quote?
Anybody who takes anything seriously on that site is a raving lunatic....
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Er you've obviously never been to a Pesach feast.

Even the kiddies get wine.
And the Vatican turns theirs into blood first.
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
It appears to be a fake/dubious quote.

Can you find where Lincoln supposedly said it, or a valid source for the quote?
It looks like it could be a reliable quote to me. Lincoln did not like bankers:

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I can't find the exact quote.The whole matter is highly technical and probably too academic for this forum. There is something on one website which I can't link to this forum which says Lincoln said he had two enemies during the Civil War and that the bankers at his back were the worst. There is a bit of background which gives the context at this website:

http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-m...ns-on-banking/

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“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.” -Abraham Lincoln

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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I can't find the exact quote.The whole matter is highly technical and probably too academic for this forum. There is something on one website which I can't link to this forum which says Lincoln said he had two enemies during the Civil War and that the bankers at his back were the worst. There is a bit of background which gives the context at this website:

http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-m...ns-on-banking/
Meanwhile, for actual academics:

https://www.occ.treas.gov/about/what...n-banking.html

The best one being Snopes, who says this quote is a lie:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ab...lism-prophecy/

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These words did not originate with Abraham Lincoln, however — they appear in none of his collected writings or speeches, and they did not surface until more than twenty years after his death (and were immediately denounced as a “bold, unflushing forgery” by John Nicolay, Lincoln’s private secretary). This spurious Lincoln warning gained currency during the 1896 presidential election season (when economic policy, particularly the USA’s adherence to the gold standard, was the major campaign issue), and ever since then it has been cited and quoted by innumerable journalists, clergymen, congressmen, and compilers of encyclopedias.

Pedigree for this quote is often asserted by pointing to the 1950 Lincoln Encyclopedia, compiled by Archer H. Shaw, which “authenticates” the quote by citing a purported 1864 letter from Lincoln to one Col. William F. Elkins found in Emanuel Hertz’s 1931 book, Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait. However, this source is fraudulent: the Elkins letter reproduced by Hertz was a forgery, and Shaw, a sloppy compiler, added the bogus letter to his encyclopedia (along with several other pieces of Lincoln apocrypha) without verifying its authenticity.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I can't find the exact quote.
That's because the exact quote (or even a loose version of it) does not exist in any academic literature.

It can only be found on woo websites.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
It looks like it could be a reliable quote to me. Lincoln did not like bankers:
Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Meanwhile, for actual academics:

https://www.occ.treas.gov/about/what...n-banking.html

The best one being Snopes, who says this quote is a lie:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ab...lism-prophecy/
Henri McPhee: perhaps you should examine how you evaluate things for credibility. Not to undermine Axxman 300's great work in showing this quote to be a lie, but I would have thought that Snopes was a fairly obvious first stop.

You could then apply the critical thinking skills you learn from this to other issues as well.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Henri McPhee: perhaps you should examine how you evaluate things for credibility. Not to undermine Axxman 300's great work in showing this quote to be a lie, but I would have thought that Snopes was a fairly obvious first stop.

You could then apply the critical thinking skills you learn from this to other issues as well.
My usual first stop is Wikiquote, where Henri's specific quote- "The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy"- is shown to be a misattribution (and corruption) of remarks actually made by William Jennings Bryan over forty years later.

It seems to me that CTists, almost by definition, fail at the important first step of critical thinking; in the words of that great American-

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Old 10th September 2018, 06:45 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Meanwhile, for actual academics:

https://www.occ.treas.gov/about/what...n-banking.html

The best one being Snopes, who says this quote is a lie:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ab...lism-prophecy/


Man, conspiracy theorists have been pulling this "make-a-quote" scam for a looooong time.


I suppose it's a traditional part of their culture, by now.
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Old 11th September 2018, 07:59 AM   #35
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I have never made a profound study of Lincoln mainly because the British education system does not cover American or Australian history. I do know that Neville Chamberlain once described Lincoln as a good president and that's good enough for me. From what I have read about Lincoln he seemed to think that America was run by bankers at the time. As far as I can judge, not much has changed since then. Neville Chamberlain once described his cousin Norman Chamberlain as the best of the lot and he was sadly killed in the 1914-18 war.
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Don't mind Henri, everyone. It'll be time for his cocoa soon.

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Old 11th September 2018, 11:16 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
...Of course, The Jews win out just for their long-standing cultural legacy of being Them. Probably the world-record holders for how long they've been blamed for ****.

Well, if they didn't have that whole Mind-Meld thing where they seem to just "know" how to organize society's destruction they'd be a lot less scary. Mind you, in pre-internet times it would be pretty cool to have.

"Mr. Goldfarb can you play Klezmer at my son's Bar Mitzvah on Tuesday?"

"Yes, Yes. But please keep all Mind Channels clear so I 'm able to give important instructions to the intelligentsia and to the peasants in the field about the coming destruction of the Erde. Oh, and I mustn't forget to notify all the bankers, too. I almost forgot myself! Tee hee".
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I have never made a profound study of Lincoln mainly because the British education system does not cover American or Australian history. I do know that Neville Chamberlain once described Lincoln as a good president and that's good enough for me. From what I have read about Lincoln he seemed to think that America was run by bankers at the time. As far as I can judge, not much has changed since then. Neville Chamberlain once described his cousin Norman Chamberlain as the best of the lot and he was sadly killed in the 1914-18 war.
And all of this piffle was enough to make you believe the quote was real, and that you didn't have to check it?
Really?
I refer you to my earlier advice about reviewing your analytical methods.
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