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Old 18th October 2018, 05:49 AM   #1
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Finally, a conspiracy theory I can believe

I'm sure that there's another thread somewhere about this, but the disappearance of Jamal Kashoggi is a conspiracy theory if you don't believe the "official story" that the Saudis are peddling. And it seems so obvious that they are lying. And what happened was a conspiracy to commit a crime. It came, probably, from the top of the government.

Now there is a report that one of the "suspects" died in a "traffic accident".

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...e_dies_in_car/

Coincidence? (If true)

Finally, a "conspiracy theory" I can get behind!
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Old 18th October 2018, 05:50 AM   #2
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Have you seen Saudis drive?

https://www.stepfeed.com/amp/a-car-c...di-arabia-3428
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Old 18th October 2018, 06:15 AM   #3
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Well, let's see. Quick math. The population of Saudi Arabia is about one tenth that of the United States, so that rate would be about double the rate in the US. Or about equal to what it was in 1980 in the US. So not that hard to believe. But it does seem like a strange coincidence.
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Old 18th October 2018, 08:39 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Yes. Idiocy and madness on a daily basis.
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Old 18th October 2018, 11:13 AM   #5
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The difference here is, this is what real conspiracies look like. Cheap, dirty, and petty.

No fancy high-tech toys, no clandestine meetings in exotic locales, no sinister masterminds leaving clues around for clever internet sleuths to uncover.

Just a bunch of guys grabbing someone else and beating him to death, just because some royal ******* didn't like him.
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Old 18th October 2018, 12:25 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Finally, a "conspiracy theory" I can get behind!

Have you heard of the German Uwe Barschel case back in 1987?
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Old 18th October 2018, 12:42 PM   #7
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It's possible the murder wasn't sanctioned by the heads of the Saudi government, and they're cleaning house, but a car accident is not their style.

Mid-level Saudi miscreants are taken from their homes in the middle of the night, and tortured, and later "found" way out in the desert dead from "exposure".

My favorite part of this whole story is how the Turks seem to have had the Consulate wired for sound, and then fall all over themselves while admitting this fact, which tells you how that government is run.
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Old 18th October 2018, 01:46 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The difference here is, this is what real conspiracies look like. Cheap, dirty, and petty.

No fancy high-tech toys, no clandestine meetings in exotic locales, no sinister masterminds leaving clues around for clever internet sleuths to uncover.

Just a bunch of guys grabbing someone else and beating him to death, just because some royal ******* didn't like him.
Most conspiracy forums are filled with idiots promoting the idiotic conspiracies. That doesn't mean there aren't well-researched, reasonable conspiracy theories out there.

The top two threads on the conspiracy subreddit right now are both related to Khashoggi.
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Old 18th October 2018, 01:54 PM   #9
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Some conspiracies that weren't simple that turned out to be true:

The FBI infiltrated, surveilled, and tried to discredit American political groups it deemed "subversive."

US military leaders had a plan to kill innocent people and blame it all on Cuba.

The CIA recruited top American journalists to spread propaganda in the media and gather intelligence.

The CIA conducted "mind control" experiments on unwitting US and Canadian citizens, some of which were lethal.

Numerous outlandish ways of killing Castro were considered, and many were planned, and some attempted.

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Old 18th October 2018, 02:41 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The rate per capita should come down a bit now that women can drive.
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Old 18th October 2018, 03:09 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The difference here is, this is what real conspiracies look like. Cheap, dirty, and petty.

No fancy high-tech toys, no clandestine meetings in exotic locales, no sinister masterminds leaving clues around for clever internet sleuths to uncover.

Just a bunch of guys grabbing someone else and beating him to death, just because some royal ******* didn't like him.

Especially in the age of the internet. Was Kashoggi that much of a thorn in the side of Mohammad bin Salman? I think it shows that Putin and Mohammad bin Salman are smoking the same brand of crack.
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Old 18th October 2018, 03:55 PM   #12
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Have you heard of the German Uwe Barschel case back in 1987?
No, I hadn't heard about that one. Not sure what to make of it.

In this case though I think it's pretty clear: he went into a building and never came out. His fiancé was waiting for him outside so there doesn't even seem to be any plausible alternative explanation other than that he was dismembered and carried out in some kind of container.
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Old 19th October 2018, 04:45 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Yes - unfortunately - for many years and their 'brothers-in-crashes' the Kuwaitis, Bahrani and Emiratis too.

Lack of enforcement of driving laws and a belief in al-qaḍāʾ wa l-qadar = plentiful traffic death.
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Old 20th October 2018, 02:57 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The difference here is, this is what real conspiracies look like. Cheap, dirty, and petty.

No fancy high-tech toys, no clandestine meetings in exotic locales, no sinister masterminds leaving clues around for clever internet sleuths to uncover.

Just a bunch of guys grabbing someone else and beating him to death, just because some royal ******* didn't like him.
THIS! Put this in your emptyskulls, twoofers. The bold part is NOT how a conspiracy works!
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Old 22nd October 2018, 09:21 AM   #15
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THIS! Put this in your emptyskulls, twoofers. The bold part is NOT how a conspiracy works!
Funny, because the Castro assassination plots had two out of three of those. Might we need to assess each conspiracy separately? Or is it too much fun painting with a broad brush, because, y'know, twoofers are dumb etc.

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Old 22nd October 2018, 11:30 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Some conspiracies that weren't simple that turned out to be true:

The FBI infiltrated, surveilled, and tried to discredit American political groups it deemed "subversive."
Still does. You'll find them infiltrating the KKK, Neo-Nazi, and various right and left-wing militias, and Islamic terror cells. It's their job.


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US military leaders had a plan to kill innocent people and blame it all on Cuba.
It was a proposed plan, Never made out out of the committee meeting.

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The CIA recruited top American journalists to spread propaganda in the media and gather intelligence.
Yup, and the KGB did the same thing. The FSB is warping social media right now...but whatever...

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The CIA conducted "mind control" experiments on unwitting US and Canadian citizens, some of which were lethal.
Yup, as did four other governments at the same time. All failed, by the way.

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Numerous outlandish ways of killing Castro were considered, and many were planned, and some attempted.
Yes, attempted and failed. The fact that we know about them in detail proves conspiracy secrets have a limited shelf life.
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Old 22nd October 2018, 11:32 AM   #17
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Funny, because the Castro assassination plots had two out of three of those. Might we need to assess each conspiracy separately? Or is it too much fun painting with a broad brush, because, y'know, twoofers are dumb etc.
Context is everything. Not using or understanding context is dumb.
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Old 22nd October 2018, 11:45 AM   #18
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Hi Axxman.

I was listing conspiracies that met some of the following criteria:

Not simple
Fancy high-tech toys
Clandestine meetings in exotic locales


I was not trying to say anything else. Could you explain what you thought I was saying? Being anti-US maybe? Anti-government?

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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Hi Axxman.

I was listing conspiracies that met some of the following criteria:

Not simple
Fancy high-tech toys
Clandestine meetings in exotic locales


I was not trying to say anything else. Could you explain what you thought I was saying? Being anti-US maybe? Anti-government?
The proposed planned attack on Americans to be blamed on Cuba, and the proposed attempts(as well as the actual attempts) all came out of the same group in the JFK White House. They proposed a number of false flag operations including blaming failed Mercury launches on Cuba, and a few other ideas that never left the room. None were carried out because - aside from being Treason - they would have been too complicated to work.

The CIA reaching out to journalists also started with JFK around the same time.

Nothing you listed involves high-tech gadgets nor exotic locals for meeting places.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The proposed planned attack on Americans to be blamed on Cuba, and the proposed attempts(as well as the actual attempts) all came out of the same group in the JFK White House. They proposed a number of false flag operations including blaming failed Mercury launches on Cuba, and a few other ideas that never left the room. None were carried out because - aside from being Treason - they would have been too complicated to work.

The CIA reaching out to journalists also started with JFK around the same time.

Nothing you listed involves high-tech gadgets nor exotic locals for meeting places.
No high-tech gadgets nor exotic locales for the Castro plots.

Sure about that?

I don't get the relevance of mentioning Kennedy.
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No high-tech gadgets nor exotic locales for the Castro plots.

Sure about that?

I don't get the relevance of mentioning Kennedy.


I don't think exploding cigars and beard poison quite fit the typical CT mold of hush-a-boom, super-thermite, micronukes, space beams, or HAARP weather/earthquake control. It's more Three Stooges than James Bond.
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I don't think exploding cigars and beard poison quite fit the typical CT mold of hush-a-boom, super-thermite, micronukes, space beams, or HAARP weather/earthquake control. It's more Three Stooges than James Bond.
I can agree with that. Some of the CIA plans were pretty embarrassing. I remember a Chevy Chase news update on SNL where he described the latest plans of shrinking commandos to infiltrate Castro's beard. The problem was they were having problems making tiny little flamethrowers...
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I remember a Chevy Chase news update on SNL where he described the latest plans of shrinking commandos to infiltrate Castro's beard.
I have told that in fact the shrinking commandos went into action and were close to succeed. But for some unknown reason they ended up in Castro's mistress pubic hair...
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