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Old 13th June 2018, 03:32 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Yes, it was 13 shots fired, not only eight.
That is a claim. You know what to do!

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The point is that MSM is covering the assassination AT ALL, and to that in a fairly ballanced way.

That is new.
It may be new. Hardly exciting however in the new world of 24 hour news cycle with hundreds of news outlets maneuvering for clicks.
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Old 13th June 2018, 03:38 PM   #242
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Is anybody else hyped as hell for A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease?
Published by Feral House, a stalwart publishing house. Are you going to buy it or steal it?
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Old 14th June 2018, 02:02 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Yes, it was 13 shots fired, not only eight.

The point is that MSM is covering the assassination AT ALL, and to that in a fairly ballanced way.

That is new.
You appear to have missed my request for you to back up this assertion with evidence, and have chosen instead to repeat the claim, still without evidence.

If you look at the sources in the wiki article, you will find several mentions of RFK conspiracy theories being published in books and newspapers, as early as 1970.
For the second time of asking: on what are you basing this claim that the MSM has only recently started reporting this side of the event?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...iracy_theories
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Old 14th June 2018, 07:22 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
You appear to have missed my request for you to back up this assertion with evidence, and have chosen instead to repeat the claim, still without evidence.

If you look at the sources in the wiki article, you will find several mentions of RFK conspiracy theories being published in books and newspapers, as early as 1970.
For the second time of asking: on what are you basing this claim that the MSM has only recently started reporting this side of the event?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...iracy_theories
I’m not saying that the issue of a possible conspiracy in the case of the RFK assassination has NEVER been discussed in a MSM outlet, I’m saying that the number of outlets and the in the way it is discussed is new and gives hope to all of us who cares about truth and justice.

Lets see what happens.
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Old 14th June 2018, 09:09 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
I’m not saying that the issue of a possible conspiracy in the case of the RFK assassination has NEVER been discussed in a MSM outlet, I’m saying that the number of outlets and the in the way it is discussed is new and gives hope to all of us who cares about truth and justice.

Lets see what happens.
Actually, yes you are.

Originally Posted by manifesto View Post

The point is that MSM is covering the assassination AT ALL, and to that in a fairly ballanced way.

That is new.
Your concern for truth and justice would be a lot more credible if you were more honest in your posts, and if you stopped judging people guilty without any corroborating evidence.

You could start by acknowledging that the media has been covering all aspects of this case from the beginning.
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Old 14th June 2018, 09:24 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Actually, yes you are.



Your concern for truth and justice would be a lot more credible if you were more honest in your posts, and if you stopped judging people guilty without any corroborating evidence.

You could start by acknowledging that the media has been covering all aspects of this case from the beginning.
If anyone hasn't had the chance yet, there is an excellent retrospective on Bobby Kennedy on Netflix that discusses the assassination of both he and his brother, as well as other elements of his life. They show interviews that occurred the day of the assassination featuring conspiracy theories, like the woman with the polka dot dress.
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Old 14th June 2018, 10:55 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
I’m not saying that the issue of a possible conspiracy in the case of the RFK assassination has NEVER been discussed in a MSM outlet, I’m saying that the number of outlets and the in the way it is discussed is new and gives hope to all of us who cares about truth and justice.

Lets see what happens.
Have you considered that the increase in coverage of the Robert Kennedy assassination may have something to do with the 50th Anniversary of that event?

Next year will be the 50th for Woodstock. We'll see which is getting more coverage then.
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:26 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Actually, yes you are.



Your concern for truth and justice would be a lot more credible if you were more honest in your posts, and if you stopped judging people guilty without any corroborating evidence.

You could start by acknowledging that the media has been covering all aspects of this case from the beginning.
It’s is a well known method used by people like you to pick on a trivial detail, ambigous formulation, honest mistake and run with it. Bog down the issue in endless semantics, everything BUT the real issue.

I insist that I haven’t read anything near this much from MSM in such a short time and as fair and balanced. Your driplets of articles from a very long period of time doesn’t refute my conclusion that this is really so and says nothing in the way of balanced/not balanced content.

As someone else said in a post, it could be the 50th annivarsery that explains this new reporting. Add to that the fact that two of RFK’s children publicly demands a new investigation and this is probably the main reason why.

Lets wait and see.

You’re the one dishonest and it’s pretty obvious for a not sectarian mind that you have very little regard for truth and justice.

On the contrary.
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:31 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by Pope130 View Post
Have you considered that the increase in coverage of the Robert Kennedy assassination may have something to do with the 50th Anniversary of that event?

Next year will be the 50th for Woodstock. We'll see which is getting more coverage then.
Yes it has, but that doesn’t explain the balanced and correct way they are covering the subject.

But, I guess that the patriots in the US National Security State will gear in to damage control mode and do something about it.

Tyranny in the service of justice and freedom.
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
It’s is a well known method used by people like you to pick on a trivial detail, ambigous formulation, honest mistake and run with it. Bog down the issue in endless semantics, everything BUT the real issue.

I insist that I haven’t read anything near this much from MSM in such a short time and as fair and balanced. Your driplets of articles from a very long period of time doesn’t refute my conclusion that this is really so and says nothing in the way of balanced/not balanced content.

As someone else said in a post, it could be the 50th annivarsery that explains this new reporting. Add to that the fact that two of RFK’s children publicly demands a new investigation and this is probably the main reason why.

Lets wait and see.

You’re the one dishonest and it’s pretty obvious for a not sectarian mind that you have very little regard for truth and justice.

On the contrary.
That's rich comming from you. It is your entire shtick.
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:11 PM   #251
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That's rich comming from you. It is your entire shtick.
I forgot to add the absolutely necessary condition of a protective social enviroment were likeminded run to each others defence everytime one of you is in trouble.

Pathetic.
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I forgot to add the absolutely necessary condition of a protective social enviroment were likeminded run to each others defence everytime one of you is in trouble.

Pathetic.
Who is in trouble? You are the one who CAPITALIZED your obvious mistake! Did you actually expect them to not call you on it?
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:43 PM   #253
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That's rich comming from you. It is your entire shtick.
it's hilarious when he has to resort to stealing other peoples ideas and comments because he has nothing.
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Old 14th June 2018, 01:24 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by jeffas69 View Post
Who is in trouble? You are the one who CAPITALIZED your obvious mistake! Did you actually expect them to not call you on it?
Did I now? How?
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it's hilarious when he has to resort to stealing other peoples ideas and comments because he has nothing.
What ”ideas” have I ”stolen” from which ”people” and why is this ”hilarious”?
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Old 20th June 2018, 11:56 AM   #256
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New review of the medical records in the RFK assassination:

https://gizmodo.com/new-medical-anal...the-1826949062

A research team from Duke University School of Medicine, led by Jordan M. Komisarow, reviewed a number of sources while conducting its review, including eyewitness accounts, various medical records, and the autopsy report itself. In the final analysis, the authors say there’s nothing more doctors could have done to save Kennedy’s life, despite a 45-minute delay in getting the senator to the hospital. RFK was treated according to the medical standards of the time, including an emergency craniotomy similar to ones performed today. And importantly, the autopsy report corroborates eyewitness accounts, dispelling a conspiracy theory that suggests more than one gunman was involved in the shooting.

Link to the study:

http://thejns.org/doi/full/10.3171/2...18294#abstract
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Old 20th June 2018, 01:38 PM   #257
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New review of the medical records in the RFK assassination:

https://gizmodo.com/new-medical-anal...the-1826949062

A research team from Duke University School of Medicine, led by Jordan M. Komisarow, reviewed a number of sources while conducting its review, including eyewitness accounts, various medical records, and the autopsy report itself. In the final analysis, the authors say there’s nothing more doctors could have done to save Kennedy’s life, despite a 45-minute delay in getting the senator to the hospital. RFK was treated according to the medical standards of the time, including an emergency craniotomy similar to ones performed today. And importantly, the autopsy report corroborates eyewitness accounts, dispelling a conspiracy theory that suggests more than one gunman was involved in the shooting.

Link to the study:

http://thejns.org/doi/full/10.3171/2...18294#abstract
This will, of course, be dismissed out of hand in CT froot-loop world because it does not fit into their loony tunes world view.
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
New review of the medical records in the RFK assassination:

https://gizmodo.com/new-medical-anal...the-1826949062

A research team from Duke University School of Medicine, led by Jordan M. Komisarow, reviewed a number of sources while conducting its review, including eyewitness accounts, various medical records, and the autopsy report itself. In the final analysis, the authors say there’s nothing more doctors could have done to save Kennedy’s life, despite a 45-minute delay in getting the senator to the hospital. RFK was treated according to the medical standards of the time, including an emergency craniotomy similar to ones performed today. And importantly, the autopsy report corroborates eyewitness accounts, dispelling a conspiracy theory that suggests more than one gunman was involved in the shooting.

Link to the study:

http://thejns.org/doi/full/10.3171/2...18294#abstract
The majority of the witnesses said that Sirhans pistol wasn’t closer than ca 3 - 4 feet. One witness said it was ca 1 feet, but even if it was just one feet nor the distance or the trajectories are compatible with the autopsy findings.

4 shots fired from behind with a steep upwards trajectory at a distance of at most three inches according to the powder burns on the skin around the entrance wound behind the right ear.

So, no, the report you are citing does NOT show that Sirhan could have fired the shots that injured and killed RFK.

There is also the fact that Sirhan fired only 2 shots before being pressed down on the table and at all time had at least one of RFK’s entourage between himself and RFK. The rest of the shots was fired when his arm was pressed down on the table.

At best a poorly researched and irresponsible ’studie’ with report.

At worst?
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This will, of course, be dismissed out of hand in CT froot-loop world because it does not fit into their loony tunes world view.
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...the report you are citing does NOT show that Sirhan could have fired the shots that injured and killed RFK. At best a poorly researched and irresponsible ’studie’ with report.

At worst?

As predicted.
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Someone doesn't know what a Stundie is. Not unexpected considering his usual lack of understanding.
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This is the entire witness list; names, and what they saw:

http://archives.cdn.sos.ca.gov/colle...appendix-e.pdf

Yes, it's huge. Known CTists won't bother to read through it, but interested parties will find it interesting from the standpoint of the chronology of the investigation, and the fact that LAPD interviewed a lot of people through 1969.

All of the documents can be found here:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/archives/collections/rfk/

Again, this is for the grownups, CTists will never research actual documents.

Nothing was suppressed, all of the stories CTists claimed were covered up are listed, and were all investigated.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
This is the entire witness list; names, and what they saw:

http://archives.cdn.sos.ca.gov/colle...appendix-e.pdf

Yes, it's huge. Known CTists won't bother to read through it, but interested parties will find it interesting from the standpoint of the chronology of the investigation, and the fact that LAPD interviewed a lot of people through 1969.

All of the documents can be found here:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/archives/collections/rfk/

Again, this is for the grownups, CTists will never research actual documents.

Nothing was suppressed, all of the stories CTists claimed were covered up are listed, and were all investigated.
Is it anyone on the list that says that Sirhan’s pistol came as close as a couple of inches behind RFK’s right ear?
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Is it anyone on the list that says that Sirhan’s pistol came as close as a couple of inches behind RFK’s right ear?
No, just that they caught the guy who shot RFK WITH THE GUN IN HIS HAND.

Spoiler Alert:

It was Sirhan Sirhan
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The majority of the witnesses said that Sirhans pistol wasn’t closer than ca 3 - 4 feet. One witness said it was ca 1 feet, but even if it was just one feet nor the distance or the trajectories are compatible with the autopsy findings.

4 shots fired from behind with a steep upwards trajectory at a distance of at most three inches according to the powder burns on the skin around the entrance wound behind the right ear.

So, no, the report you are citing does NOT show that Sirhan could have fired the shots that injured and killed RFK.

There is also the fact that Sirhan fired only 2 shots before being pressed down on the table and at all time had at least one of RFK’s entourage between himself and RFK. The rest of the shots was fired when his arm was pressed down on the table.

At best a poorly researched and irresponsible ’studie’ with report.

At worst?
Decoded from CT boilerplate: Didn't read the study, don't care, conspiracy rules dudes!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCU2MCxjAJ0 Here's a good new documentary about Sirhan called The Real Manchurian Candidate. reccomended
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCU2MCxjAJ0 Here's a good new documentary about Sirhan called The Real Manchurian Candidate. reccomended
What makes it good?

Discuss! Illuminate!
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No, just that they caught the guy who shot RFK WITH THE GUN IN HIS HAND.

Spoiler Alert:

It was Sirhan Sirhan
No one is disputing that Sirhan fired a pistol in front of RFK. What is disputed is that he fired a gun behind RFK, whereof one, the fatal shot, was fired a couple of inches from the intrance wound behind the right ear (the gunpowder burns in the skin).
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Decoded from CT boilerplate: Didn't read the study, don't care, conspiracy rules dudes!
I read the studie and it’s not correct. The witnesses testimonies does not corroborate the contention that Sirhan fired the four shots that hit RFK’s clothes, body and head.

Sirhan wasn’t positioned to do this. They even state this in your ’studie’:
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In addition, witnesses claim that Sirhan came no closer than a foot from Kennedy when the shooting occurred,
Wrong. ONE witnesses, standing far back of RFK, said one foot. ONE witness said 1,5 foot at the closest. The rest of the witnesses said between 3-6 feet.


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but the autopsy report estimates that the gun was within inches of the skin based on the presence of gunpowder in the wound.
Exactly. The witnesses does NOT corrobarate the trajectories and the distance. So why conclude the opposite?


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The same witnesses did not see another shooter.
Wrong. Multiple witnesses reported seeing and hearing more than one gun firing.


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Despite concern over the trajectory of the bullet and controversy about gunpowder on the skin,
1. There is NO CONTROVERSY about the gunpowder on the skin, and your ’studie’ doesn’t even adress the issue.

2. The trajectories is a mess and have NOT been established in a comprehensive manner, and NO, the witness testimonies doesn’t support that Sirhan ever was in position to have been able to fire them.

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there was never clear evidence of conspiracy and Sirhan was ruled the lone gunman.
There was not a trial where the evidence was presented and/or disputed by Sirhans defense, since Sirhans defense manipulated him to confess his guilt in order to avoid the death panalty.
That is why he and his new, not compromised, defense have demanded at least a new evidentiary hearing, convinced that this will show that Sirhan could not have fired the shots that hit RFK and therefore is not guilty of the actual killing.

The defense is also convinced that Sirhan was under the influence of mind control and post hypnotic suggestion probably in connection with CIA’s MKUltra program.

That Sirhan was a programmed patsy with an induced memory loss of both the programming and of the shooting in the pantry.

All psychiatrists that have been in contact with Sirhan agree that he was/is exeptionally easy to hypnotize and that he showed/show all known signs of post hypnotic suggestion and mind control.

That is why two of RFK’s children, RFKJr and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, demands a new investigation of the assassination, and why RFKJr implies that the CIA was part of it.
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The defense is also convinced that Sirhan was under the influence of mind control and post hypnotic suggestion probably in connection with CIA’s MKUltra program.
Ooooh please tell me there are going to be aliens involved...MK Ultra, Majestic12. There have to be aliens right? Reptilians! Are they Reptilians? From the planet Draco?
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Ooooh please tell me there are going to be aliens involved...MK Ultra, Majestic12. There have to be aliens right? Reptilians! Are they Reptilians? From the planet Draco?
Ah, you are trying to conflate a proven multi million dollar mind control research program involvning hundreds of institutions and thousands of participants with ”reptile aliens from Draco”?

Why on earth are you trying to do that, smartcooky?
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Ah, you are trying to conflate a proven multi million dollar mind control research program involvning hundreds of institutions and thousands of participants with ”reptile aliens from Draco”?

Why on earth are you trying to do that, smartcooky?

Its all part of the same global all encompassing conspiracy theory, that's why.
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Old 22nd June 2018, 01:34 AM   #272
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Its all part of the same global all encompassing conspiracy theory, that's why.
So, MKUltra is a ”conspiracy theory” in the same way as ”reptilian aliens from Draco”?

Really?
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Old 22nd June 2018, 04:12 AM   #273
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Ah, you are trying to conflate a proven multi million dollar mind control research program involvning hundreds of institutions and thousands of participants . . .



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Old 22nd June 2018, 06:11 AM   #274
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The majority of the witnesses said that Sirhans pistol wasn’t closer than ca 3 - 4 feet. One witness said it was ca 1 feet, but even if it was just one feet nor the distance or the trajectories are compatible with the autopsy findings.

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https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issu...er&tversky.htm

Stanford Law School, April 5, 1999. In a presentation sponsored by the Stanford Journal of Legal Studies, George Fisher placed Barbara Tversky’s research on memory fallibility into the context of police investigations and jury verdicts, discussing the relevance of such research to our system of justice.

The bedrock of the American judicial process is the honesty of witnesses in trial. Eyewitness testimony can make a deep impression on a jury, which is often exclusively assigned the role of sorting out credibility issues and making judgments about the truth of witness statements.1 Perjury is a crime, because lying under oath can subvert the integrity of a trial and the legitimacy of the judicial system. However, perjury is defined as knowingly making a false statement—merely misremembering is not a crime.2 Moreover, the jury makes its determinations of witness credibility and veracity in secret, without revealing the reason for its final judgement.3 Recognizing the fallibility of witness memories, then, is especially important to participants in the judicial process, since many trials revolve around factual determinations of whom to believe. Rarely will a factual question result in a successful appeal—effectively giving many parties only one chance at justice. Arriving at a just result and a correct determination of truth is difficult enough without the added possibility that witnesses themselves may not be aware of inaccuracies in their testimony.

Several studies have been conducted on human memory and on subjects’ propensity to remember erroneously events and details that did not occur. Elizabeth Loftus performed experiments in the mid-seventies demonstrating the effect of a third party’s introducing false facts into memory.4 Subjects were shown a slide of a car at an intersection with either a yield sign or a stop sign. Experimenters asked participants questions, falsely introducing the term "stop sign" into the question instead of referring to the yield sign participants had actually seen. Similarly, experimenters falsely substituted the term "yield sign" in questions directed to participants who had actually seen the stop sign slide. The results indicated that subjects remembered seeing the false image. In the initial part of the experiment, subjects also viewed a slide showing a car accident. Some subjects were later asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "hit" each other, others were asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "smashed" into each other. Those subjects questioned using the word "smashed" were more likely to report having seen broken glass in the original slide. The introduction of false cues altered participants’ memories.


And:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-eyes-have-it/

The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.

I'll take science.
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Old 22nd June 2018, 06:15 AM   #275
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
So, MKUltra is a ”conspiracy theory” in the same way as ”reptilian aliens from Draco”?

Really?
Only when the existence of the program is used as a general issue argument used to explain away the behavior of known criminal actors and implicate THEM ™
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Old 22nd June 2018, 03:10 PM   #276
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Only when the existence of the program is used as a general issue argument used to explain away the behavior of known criminal actors and implicate THEM ™
Wrong. The conflation was done in order to misrepresent the fact that the CIA had a real, not imagined, mind control program where research on programing assassins and/or patsies for assassinations was a clearly stated part. In it’s precursor, the ARTichoke program, they even state that the assassination of domestic American officials (i.e. presidents included) was part of its purpose.

This is not ”reptilian aliens” or ”staring at goats”, this is a proven illegal multi million dollar effort including hundreds of institutions and thousands participants over a long period of time.

Luckily, some of the financial records was left after Helms and Angleton in short order got the boot and purged all the records before they left the scene.

And, yes, it is a proven fact that it is possible to mind control/program a subject in a way that Sirhan is suspected to have been.

No worries.
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Old 22nd June 2018, 03:24 PM   #277
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
And, yes, it is a proven fact that it is possible to mind control/program a subject in a way that Sirhan is suspected to have been.
...proven fact, eh?

Could you show us the evidence then?

OR

Is this more of your never ending claims without basis?
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Old 22nd June 2018, 03:27 PM   #278
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issu...er&tversky.htm

Stanford Law School, April 5, 1999. In a presentation sponsored by the Stanford Journal of Legal Studies, George Fisher placed Barbara Tversky’s research on memory fallibility into the context of police investigations and jury verdicts, discussing the relevance of such research to our system of justice.

The bedrock of the American judicial process is the honesty of witnesses in trial. Eyewitness testimony can make a deep impression on a jury, which is often exclusively assigned the role of sorting out credibility issues and making judgments about the truth of witness statements.1 Perjury is a crime, because lying under oath can subvert the integrity of a trial and the legitimacy of the judicial system. However, perjury is defined as knowingly making a false statement—merely misremembering is not a crime.2 Moreover, the jury makes its determinations of witness credibility and veracity in secret, without revealing the reason for its final judgement.3 Recognizing the fallibility of witness memories, then, is especially important to participants in the judicial process, since many trials revolve around factual determinations of whom to believe. Rarely will a factual question result in a successful appeal—effectively giving many parties only one chance at justice. Arriving at a just result and a correct determination of truth is difficult enough without the added possibility that witnesses themselves may not be aware of inaccuracies in their testimony.

Several studies have been conducted on human memory and on subjects’ propensity to remember erroneously events and details that did not occur. Elizabeth Loftus performed experiments in the mid-seventies demonstrating the effect of a third party’s introducing false facts into memory.4 Subjects were shown a slide of a car at an intersection with either a yield sign or a stop sign. Experimenters asked participants questions, falsely introducing the term "stop sign" into the question instead of referring to the yield sign participants had actually seen. Similarly, experimenters falsely substituted the term "yield sign" in questions directed to participants who had actually seen the stop sign slide. The results indicated that subjects remembered seeing the false image. In the initial part of the experiment, subjects also viewed a slide showing a car accident. Some subjects were later asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "hit" each other, others were asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "smashed" into each other. Those subjects questioned using the word "smashed" were more likely to report having seen broken glass in the original slide. The introduction of false cues altered participants’ memories.


And:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-eyes-have-it/

The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.

I'll take science.
Jeese ... you are claiming that a scientific studie of the recorded efforts to save RFK’s life and the autopsy report shows that the contention that Sirhan fired the shots that hit RFK is CORROBARATED BY THE WITNESS TESTIMONIES.

1. No, it even says so in the study you are refering to, that the witnesses testimonies are incompatible with this contention.

2. When shown this, you are moving the goal posts completely and stating that WITNESS TESTIMONIES CAN’T BE RELIED UPON.

What on earth are you doing?
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Old 22nd June 2018, 03:57 PM   #279
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
...proven fact, eh?

Could you show us the evidence then?

OR

Is this more of your never ending claims without basis?
the proof is the existence of the conspiracy theorist.
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Old 22nd June 2018, 04:13 PM   #280
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Originally Posted by Whip View Post
the proof is the existence of the conspiracy theorist.
So you're saying THEY (MKULTRA) threw in some LSD and 'mind control' to make XXXXXXXX their 'man' so he would act so implausibly and off base to cause CTs to loose credibility?

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