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Where did I dispute it? Cite, Explain Translation: You don't have the answer ► I asked who disappeared the bullets supposedly fired at JFK by the alleged multiple shooters ► You said "Elements within the CIA planned and organized the assassination" "they controlled the technical evidence." ► Axxman300 said "How? We need details, names, locations, etc " ► You replied https://www.fbi.gov/ First, you started with the CIA then gave the FBI as your answer. It seems that you can't even get your alphabet soup straight, let alone your own story... only liars can't keep their stories straight. Second, simply posting a link is not an answer when you are asked for names and locations. If you can't provide names and locations when asked, retract the claim. No, YOU provide the evidence yourself. We don't do your research for you. No I can't find them, and I'm not surprised. Those shells are almost 50 years old (at the time they were photographed), and even if they were properly stored, the brass surface will have deteriorated a lot No he does not. You clearly do not understand the implications of the interrogative in the English language. The question mark means he is asking you, not that he is making claim. What's creepy about laughing at stupidity That's as may be, but you have yet to show any evidence whatsoever that it has anything to do with the JFK assassination [/quote] All interesting, but all ultimately irrelevant. People's opinions have no value as evidence (unless they are expert witnesses in a specialist subject or profession)! What people recall other people saying is called "hearsay", and it has no value as evidence. Oh, and you are quoting David Talbot.... another CT loon. The mad fantasies of CT loons have no value as evidence. |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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No, no if the stick was planted and its planter was based on the CT view of the CIA's ability to fake evidence the stick would be made of unglued lego's and covered with Heinz tomato sauce and have written on it 'this was NOT put here by the secret conspiracy. We do not live at Central Intelligence Agency, Office of outrageous stupid stuff, Washington, D.C. 20505, (703) 482-0623'.
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....in other words you ain't doing it
![]() http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7#post12317577 Manifesto said: I’m really doing my very best keeping up with your requests. Nice and easy. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4860 [quote=Hans;12317577]This is day ten of no evidence from manifesto Manifesto is now up to 83+ claims with no evidence provided. ![]() We can now add to that another howler
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2 provided = 98 still to be provided. Nice and easy.
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1. The HSCA acoustical scientific evidence of the killing headshot comming from in front to the right of the president (knoll) = Oswald allegedly shooting from behind the president = not the alleged killing shot = Oswald innocent of the actual killing. - Evidence for this are provided here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=189 2. The Hidell PMO that have no bank endorsement stamps that according to the federal regulations should be present = forgery = Oswald didn’t purchase the rifle = Oswald didn’t own the rifle = the alleged murder weapon had no known connection to Oswald + the forgery prove that Oswald was framed by the conspirators as the patsy he said he was: - Evidence for this is still under current debate. One step at a time. 3. Dallas chief of police, Jessie Curry stating in an interview years after the assassination that: "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in the building (Texas School Book Depository) with a gun in his hand."To name but a few of the evidence of Oswald being a patsy. There are litterally hundreds and hundreds more. Some of them pointed out and provided evidence for by me and others earlier in the thread. More to come. |
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Back in post #5286, I listed a number of things you should research before making anything like this equation. Among my recommendations, I wrote:
Circular No. 4928 was not a part of the "federal regulations," as you have claimed. The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) contains regulations that have been proposed by federal agencies, submitted to a notice, publication, and public comment process, and eventually promulgated as rules in the CFR. Federal Reserve operating circulars, of which No. 4928 was one, were different. They were not put through the regulatory process I just described. Instead, they were issued by Federal Reserve Banks to their participating clearing banks, and the duties they created for banks were contractual in nature, not regulatory in the typical way. Because these circulars were, in effect, banks talking to banks, this explains some of the nonbinding "should," "may," or "banks are urged" language found in No. 4928. This language suggests that the banks were setting goals, aspirational norms, and best practices for members. If you're genuinely interested in this regulatory aspect, you'll have to come to grips with what I've written above. The "should" prevents you from going where you want to go with this. It indicates that the practice of complete stamping was not being regularly observed, and that the Federal Reserve Banks desired more consistency. Simply that. In sum, if the practice was sometimes not observed for perfectly innocuous and innocent reasons, there is no way to deduce that the absence of stamps "= forgery." If you're really interested in this PMO stamp argument, there's much more work for you to do. My forecast is that that work will not lead to a conclusion of official forgery. |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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As another poster astutely pointed out, this is an attempted fringe reset. You're circling back around to your first point which has been burned to the ground already.
- The HSCA acoustic evidence has been dismantled by multiple independent studies, which have been provided to you and explained to you in painstaking detail. - It has been dismantled by the visual record, indicating that HB McLean could not have been where he needed to be. - It has been dismantled by the testimony of HB McLean and his riding partner Marion Baker. - The notion of a frontal shot has been dismantled by the entirety of the photographic record comprised of 3 films, one polaroid, the autopsy photographs and the autopsy x-rays. All of these elements have been examined and authenticated by multiple studies which have been provided for you and explained to you in painstaking detail. |
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No, Traxy, you are wrong:
1. My post is a response to ”Hank’s” accusation that I have not provided evidence, explained it and argued for its veracity. Well, ”Hank” was clearly lying in this case, since I did. 2. That said, no, neither you or anyone else have succeded to ”burn to the ground” HSCA’s acoustical investigation + results. Alarmingly many have tried over the years. I’m prepared to return to this subject when ”Hank’s” little whining-list is done and out with. Until then, I suggest you read up on your favorite ”debunkings”. So far you have not presented a convincing case. |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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So, how do you read this?
"Federal Reserve Financial Services are governed by the terms and conditions that are set forth in the following operating circulars."
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This is the federal regulations, NOT suggestions for whatever reasons. The question is of what could happen if these regulations was NOT followed by the banks involved. Since Kleins deposited thousands of PMO’s to their bank every day, certain routines was absolutely necessary in every step of the process the PMO went through before closing the purchase. This could not be random arbitrary procedures = the Hidell PMO was an anomaly or it was standard. Or it was a fake. |
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No, but I can have a cop of coffe now and then.
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Okay, let's focus on this: "Federal Reserve Financial Services are governed by the terms and conditions that are set forth in the following operating circulars."
Yes, exactly. "Terms and conditions" indicates that the banks were contracting with each other to standardize their operations--very different from the top-down regulations that the CFR contains. Ever see the phrase "terms and conditions" on things you click on online? A contract. And because this was a matter of banks communicating with each other, the word "should" really just indicated what they hoped for, desired, aspired to. "Should" acknowledged implicitly that strict compliance was not always occurring. But surely not all failures to comply strictly were instances of government forgery. So I don't see how your argument can succeed. |
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Here's another of my points that I don't think you've responded to:
Did Circular No. 4928 actually apply to Oswald's transaction at all? Oswald's money order was processed by the First National Bank of Chicago, apparently through the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago (District 7). Circular No. 4928 was issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (District 2) to its clearing banks. Since these circulars operated as contractual understandings, could a District 2 circular bind banks in District 7? I'm not asking this rhetorically. I'm not sure of the answer. But it raises a potential problem for your argument that I think you must resolve. |
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As I said earlier, sometimes I see a need to counter false sweeping statements in line with the ”Lone Nut Oswald” official narrative promulgated by the US National Security State since day one, with equally sweeping, but true, statements regarding what actually happened. That said, I’m NOT refusing to provide evidence of these big picture argument with reference to som pathetic ”null” or ”concilience”, I’m saying that my ’big picture-narrative’ takes time to more firmely establish with often circumstantial evidence and deductions from what evidence there is. This is an ongoing process and will in time become crystal clear. No worries. Hank’s little whining list is now down from alleged 100 to an alleged 91. More to come. |
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I've already explained that you are using "federal regulations" here in a misleading way. The banks were urging each other to comply with a uniform, standard procedure, and at the same time acknowledging that strict compliance was not always being observed. They wanted and urged strict compliance, but they were not holding up transactions that lacked complete stamping.
As to LHO's PMO being "an anomaly or standard," that's a false dilemma. It lacked complete stamping and was still processed. |
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This makes me even more determined to list all your ”debunkings” one by one and comprehensively refute them i one single post.
After this it’s going to be easy to refute future false statements in line with what you have produced here and elsewhere. One klick away. At your service. |
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Further, despite numerous requests to do so, he still has not answered my initial request that he explain HIS understanding of how the HSCA acoustic theory even worked, and WHY the stuck microphone had to be in certain places at certain times.
manifesto merely posts up the writings he finds in CT loon website results from his Google searches without understanding how they were achieved. He doesn't understand the technical details of the theory. It was the deep flaws in those technical details that proved the undoing of the theory, and ultimately the CBA was able to determine that. Come on manifesto. If I'm wrong and you really do understand the claimed science behind the theory, here's your chance to have a win. Prove me wrong. Tell us now it all worked. Use diagrams if you have to. |
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