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22nd May 2017, 05:44 PM | #2241 |
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22nd May 2017, 06:16 PM | #2242 |
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So first Trump tried to get get James Comey to pledge loyalty to him and stop investigation into Russian collusion/Flynn. After Comey refused, Trump tried to enlist the intelligence community in publicly undermining the FBI and obstructing the investigation. That didn't work so Trump, being the incompetent moron that he is, decided that firing Comey would make the Russia investigation go away. And the next day, Trump bragged to the Russians that he eased the pressure on himself by firing Comey (though really he did the opposite).
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22nd May 2017, 06:23 PM | #2243 |
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Oh for crying out loud! Even when Trump is half-way around the world, he still manages to totally screw up things here in the USA.
Once again, Trump boldly defies all logic by putting another nail into the lid of own coffin. This time, it turns out that Trump requested that two other intelligence executives issue statements that there was no Trump/Russia collusion. However, quite unlike Trump these two people actually do have some respect for their office and the law, so they refused to issue such a statement. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.8e49e1640084 Trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe after Comey revealed its existence President Trump asked two of the nation’s top intelligence officials in March to help him push back against an FBI investigation into possible coordination between his campaign and the Russian government, according to current and former officials. Trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and to Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election. Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the requests, which they both deemed to be inappropriate, according to two current and two former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private communications with the president. ... “The problem wasn’t so much asking them to issue statements, it was asking them to issue false statements about an ongoing investigation,” a former senior intelligence official said of the request to Coats. ... |
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22nd May 2017, 06:40 PM | #2244 |
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Dan Coats is a Republican politician (he was a Senator until January) so I bet Trump thought that he would be his lapdog.
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22nd May 2017, 07:22 PM | #2245 |
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Nominated. Is this original work?
ETA:[derail] Several people posted attaboys for this. Could you people honor such posts with nominations, please? The staff over at TLA HQ work their fingers to the bone (well, one guy - two and a half hours a month, but consider it poetic license) to see that our talented scribes are honored every month, but posters in certain sub-forums (the Trials/Errors folks are the worst!!) never nominate, as they rarely step outside the arguments they're so involved in. [/end derail.] |
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22nd May 2017, 08:03 PM | #2246 |
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It has to be. Ambrosia whipped it out like 2 days after I posted that I could imagine a parody of the Sound of Music routine of Nuns singing 'How do you solve a problem like Maria' replacing Maria with 'the Donald'. I was basically saying that Trump is comedy gold in that the jokes sort of write themselves. But of course they don't. My idea, but the song is all Ambrosia. Too bad the SNL season is over. By the time they get back Trump could be out or it won't have the same impact.
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22nd May 2017, 11:50 PM | #2247 |
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23rd May 2017, 10:17 PM | #2253 |
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24th May 2017, 01:29 AM | #2256 |
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Serious question, Trump has apparently "recused" himself in regards to the Russian collusion investigation etc. Does this mean he will no longer briefed on intelligence matters that pertain to this? For example if say evidence/intelligence implicates someone in his team or previous campaign team was colluding with the Russians and it could have national security implications Trump will not be informed?
I find it hard to understand how a President can in any meaningful manner recuse himself from such matters? |
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24th May 2017, 01:47 AM | #2257 |
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I find no report on Trump recusing himself - AFAIK, only Sessions has.
But if he has, that would mean that all reports in need of attention by the Executive Branch would go to the next in the Line of Succession, i.e. Pence. |
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24th May 2017, 01:53 AM | #2258 |
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Was sure he had said that or a spokesperson had said he had. I'll have a look to see if reality has got it wrong again!
ETA: you were right reality got it wrong again, can't find any where that supports what I know happened. Hate it when reality won't do as it is told. Given the non-cooperation of reality I'll have to withdraw my question. |
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24th May 2017, 02:54 AM | #2260 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Wasn't the whole point to all of the Benghazi stuff that the powers that be should have done more to protect the people they had in place at the sharp end?
There were months of investigations, the Republicans went full bore hyper partisan over it, spent who knows how much money, and the end result was "mistakes were made, but nothing criminal happened" as I understand it. If Russia (or any other foreign power) subverts high ranking officials in top government positions wouldn't that open the door to potentially lots more damage being done? If the Russians, hypothetically speaking, have the National Security Advisor over a barrel, and as a result get intelligence they can act on because of that, then would that not put lives in harms way? Would that not be an order of magnitude worse than errors made in Benghazi? During the election campaign Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clintons emails. He asked the director of the DNI and the NSA to publicly deny evidence of collusion between him and Russia, both declined, he fired Comey, while under an active investigation by him and later stated that he did so to relieve pressure from the FBIs investigation. Were you happy with Flynn as NSA? Are you happy with Sessions as AG? I want the people in the top jobs in my government and my military to be competent and to put the interests of my country ahead of that of their political party. |
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24th May 2017, 04:13 PM | #2276 |
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On the contrary, much evidence has been revealed that show connections between Trump's people and the Russians and the multiple investigations are still ongoing. Now, Trump is adding an attorney and Flynn still refuses to release documents and the investigation bands are playing on.
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Good to see you right up there with the latest memo from alt-right HQ on how to spin this. "Point 2: Keep harping on ill-defined terms that have no legal standing. Collusion is the best because it sounds legal-y but isn't and every time they provide a link, answer with "But that's no true collusion" and then start ignoring "collusion" and start demanding actual evidence of conspiracy or treason. This will take us up to Christmas, at minimum, by which time Voldemort will have secured enough souls to unleash the death walkers or at least topple the wall and take back middle earth."
I expect a lot of "Oh, yeah! That's not collusion, dumb Libruls." |
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The interesting thing is that the whole collusion argument is mostly a straw man. My concern with Russians and the last election is not merely that there may have been contacts, that could have been called "collusion", but all indications are that the Russian government showed a lot of interest in that election. Why? I think that's worth knowing.
On the left, some have jumped on that whole thing with the singular goal of dumping Trump from office, but that's really a side issue. The thing under investigation is what was the extent of Russian involvement, and what was their motive. So when the right wingers start yelling "There's no evidence of collusion!" they are missing the point, or is it deliberate? |
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Collusion's rather important because it's essentially treason. Obstruction of justice is easier to prove, though.
As to why the Russians were interested in the results, isn't that obvious? They want to destabilise the west in order to expand their influence, so they try to undermine democracy and the power of NATO, the EU and the US. |
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