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7th October 2016, 01:22 PM | #1 |
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US Officially Blames Russia
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0
Removing any shred of a doubt as to why Trump is running and what will happen. If Trump becomes President, Putin will run America. |
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He doesn't owe Putin money by the truckload either. And even if he did, well, Trump has proven himself quite willing to default on debts. So much so that one wonders why anyone would give him money and expect anything in return.
Trump's statements about Putin are troubling, but the idea that he's actually being controlled by Putin is not grounded on anything resembling reality. |
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Just for a second, entertain the notion that I'm right. There is quite a bit of evidence that points there, so it's not like I'm totally out of left field here.
Having said that, do you suppose it's a bit different, owing an architect money for your resort, than it is owing money to the despotic leader of an entire country with a nuclear arsenal and ambitions of conquest? Donald Trump is good at owing these people money: |
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There is not quite a bit of evidence that Trump owes Putin a lot of money.
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7th October 2016, 02:13 PM | #8 |
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There is. Can we please just deal with reality? This article is not nothing.
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With Donald Trump as President, Putin gets someone that he can control. Because of truckloads of money. Putin wants to take maybe another couple of chunks out of Ukraine or any other state over there, maybe a debt can be forgiven if Trump does nothing? |
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How could Putin control Trump?
By forgiving his (alleged) debts? Trump doesn't seem to care about that. What else is there? Be specific. |
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Well, it doesn't seem to matter now with that new tape from 2005.
But if Trump does nothing to hinder Putin's advances, and Putin forgives the debts, Trump will still be the king in his mind. Remember, we're dealing with Donald Trump. The guy is a hot mess. Who knows what goes on in that head of his? |
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Yes it does sound like CT. I'm sure if someone were watching the rise of Hitler they'd have said the same thing.
This guy is flat out unfit for the Presidency. |
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cup of polonium anyone?
sometimes it doesn't matter if someone really could or would. the fear behind it could be enough to influence someone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison...der_Litvinenko |
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He wouldn't be poisoned. He'd be used.
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WHat cracks me up is if a Democrat had these ties to Putin, some of the Trump defensers here would be screaming for blood.
And forget if Trump Owes Russian interests money or not, his admiration for a dictator like PUtin is not something I like to see in a President. |
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Of course Trump could end the speculation by releasing his tax returns.
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Hillary. We know she's capable of making rational choices that favor her own self-interest. Make her an offer she can't refuse, and she'll take it. Make Trump an offer he can't refuse, do you seriously think he'll do the smart thing? He foolishly acts against his own self-interest al the time. I don't think owing money to Russians would trouble him much at all, or influence his decision-making in any significant way.
As for the other threats you alluded to--nuclear weapons, for example--do you really think Trump is more likely to back down from a nuclear confrontation? |
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Seriously, the more likely scenario is that Putin will try to boss Trump around by calling in the debt, and Trump will reply with nukes.
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None of it matters anymore. He's not going to be President. Not after today.
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Trump would be more likely to sell them the Aleutian Islands than worry about pre-existing debt.
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It's not nothing, but it's also not what you claimed. You claimed that Trump owed Putin lots of money. But your link is about Manafort, not Trump, and Manafort wasn't loaned money, he was paid, which means Manfort doesn't owe anything. Such connections might incline one to look favorably on their former benefactor, and I do not deny that this is a concern, but it still isn't close to what you claimed.
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No. Putin is much more intelligent than this. He'd invade a neighbor, prop up a client state, or crack down on reporters in Russia (a.k.a. murder some more of them), and avoid sanctions or other actions from the US simply by flattering Trump beforehand. Putin would call for Mexico to pay for the wall Trump wants, and call Trump a 'good, strong leader with the best class', and Trump would give him a pass on anything Trump doesn't care about, such as law, international relations, free speech and press, or words not about him.
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Hillary for certain. Trump's unpredictable, but Hillary's a lot more manageable, as long as she gets the cash up front. As a matter of fact, do we have any idea how much Russian money has been funneled, directly or indirectly, to Hillary through the Clinton Foundation already? Putin's a thug who pines for the old days of the Soviet Union, but he's not an idiot. The Clinton Foundation is an obvious in for someone as corrupt as Hillary. |
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You think Hillary is more manageable than Trump?
Come on. Trump has already been played like a fiddle multiple times. Hillary's done it. The Mexican President did it. |
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