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30th December 2016, 11:04 AM | #121 |
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Once again Obama has been out maneuvered by Putin. It seems the intelligence community has been begging him to do this and with three weeks to go he finds his balls. This is just more confirmation of the complete incompetence of Barack Hussein Obama. Good job leftist! It makes your defeat all the more SWEETER!!!!
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I'm so confused. What is the right's stance on this issue again? I am getting whiplash on whether they think:
A) It is totally fabricated and a plot completely made up by Obama/Hillary/<insert name here>. B) Real, but not an issue because what Russia uncovered was stuff only bad for the Democrats. C) Real, and should have been dealt with long ago by Obama via the route he is only just now taking. D) Planet X or something else I've missed. |
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My answer is D - something you've missed. It is to be expected that Russia would do something like this (just as we do it to them), and the solution is not to punish Russia for doing it. The solution is to improve computer security. Countries spy on each other. Spying is simply not outside the bounds of normal activity. I suppose we have a right to get angry at an ally for doing it, but to get angry at an adversary is pointless.
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Okay, Thanks. I'm adding that one then as it is probably the most reasonable of the arguments (though I don't 100% agree with it):
A) It is totally fabricated and a plot completely made up by Obama/Hillary/<insert name here>. B) Real, but not an issue because what Russia uncovered was stuff only bad for the Democrats. C) Real, but not something we should retaliate over because we (allegedly?) have hacked into Russia's systems in order to interfere with their elections, and so it is expected for them to do it to us in return. We should have better security in place (Obama's fault maybe?) and aren't supposed to ever punish anyone who does this to us. Perfectly acceptable if they try and succeed or fail. D) Real, and should have been dealt with long ago by Obama via the route he is only just now taking. E) Planet X or something else I've missed. |
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foophil, do you remember how the shillaries told us before the election that no harm was done by Killary's cowboy server because nobody hacked it, ignoring all evidence to the contrary? Well, now all this stuff is lumped together but there are separate "issues". Clinton's cowboy server was likely hacked by everybody but you and me, including Guccifer 1 and 2, while the mails were mostly released by .. the FBI.
The DNC and Podesta mails (two separate data sets) are for all we know not results of hacks, but of leaks. The DNC stuff comes from an insider in the DNC, and the Podesta stuff comes from someone in the intelligence community where Podesta was monitored for (if nothing else) his Saudi "lobbyism". Listen to the interview with Murray. The "evidence" that is channeled from anonymous CIA sources to the parrot media up to the sad clown Obama doesn't convince anybody who has any idea about computer security. So even if your new C) would be a good argument, the answer is A) and everybody outside the Washington propaganda bubble knows it. Hence the open mockery. |
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I'm on the far left, but my take is the revised option B)
Also our government has done far worse than reveal accurate information in its numerous and sometimes successful attempts to influence foreign elections or outright overthrow foreign governments.While it's perfectly understandable that we don't want foreign interference, it's also absolutely hypocritical. I don't care at all when relevant information regarding the candidates or parties is revealed regardless of who reveals it. I don't like that they didn't also reveal information they had about the other side but I'll still take some information over none. Further this isn't really all that different from when partisans inside government organizations, such as the house or the FBI, leak damaging information that wouldn't normally be revealed to a press contact. Regarding whether it was Russia or not, I have no idea, and neither do any of you. It's entirely an appeal to authority. That authority is anonymous sources within the FBI and CIA. Have any of you looked at the Joint Report that supposedly provides concrete evidence it was Russia? As far as I can see it does nothing of the sort. |
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Her assertions lack evidence. Hillary's server wasn't the source of any of this, so it's a red herring. The actual evidence was listed back in this thread, and it all indicates that Russia did exactly what they are accused of. New evidence could change that assessment, but assertions from the fascist fans are not that evidence.
Putin has gained from this, but he's still in a mid-term world of pain, and not from anything the US has to do. His economy will soon be in ruin from his own choices, and if his military adventurism goes much further, the rest of Europe will be source of his downfall. They don't need him. If his cyber attacks go onto Germany and France, it doesn't matter if the US won't lead because Trump likes fellow thieves. The Putin fans are in the same place as the older GOP people are right now. Some power right now, but foretelling the fall. |
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No path to 270!
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Here's a polite summary of some reactions to the "evidence" presented in that "report". Conclusion (implicit): It's written to fool gullible, clueless people.
Originally Posted by Dan Goodin, Ars Technica
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Goodin seems to be confused. This is not the report that's supposed to provide the evidence; that will be a classified report to Congress sometime before January 20. This was just a summary of information that was largely already public. The CrowdStrike private analysis of the DNC hacking had more in the way of evidence.
Like most Russian propaganda, your silly cartoon doesn't make much sense. Obama's sanctions have had a crippling effect on the oil revenue Russia badly needs to maintain government operations, and his latest actions have turned over Putin's rock and put both Trump and Putin in a box: His actions cannot be undone without raising even more questions about why Trump and Putin are so fond of each other. Their comments so far simply play into a suspicious narrative, so neither of them is as clever as you seem to think. Given that this is a topic that seems to be of interest even to GOP Congressmen, it just might be the thread that undoes the Trump presidency. If Trump takes any action after the 20th to undo the sanctions and then it's revealed that he has a financial motivation for doing so -- which is almost certainly the case -- we may well see a Republican introduce articles of impeachment out of fear of a voter backlash in 2018 and 2020. |
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This denialism is pretty comical if you ask me. It's straight out of the Russian propaganda proofster playbook: bitch and moan about proof yet even when offered proof don't acknowledge it or intentionally avoid it. There's a big difference between being skeptical and being a Russian propaganda outlet proofster. |
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The Washington Pest gets more ridiculous every day. That's what they want their readers to know (as cited by the fearful Swede):
Originally Posted by Jeff Bezos' blog
Period. That's what readers of RT get to know:
Originally Posted by Propaganda Bullhorn
Easy to locate the Reuters item:
Originally Posted by Reuters
Tee-hee. The miserable propagandists at the WP have their knickers in a bunch. |
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