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Here's the interview Hannity did with Assange in the Embassy, just published. Must be the ultimate nightmare for conformist stand-for-nothing pseudo-skeptics to see these two team up. I must admit even I think that's a bit on the bizarre end. Anyway, worth watching, especially the first half or so which is to the point on-topic for this thread.
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...aaand Glenn Greenwald takes another swing at the Washington Pest and its ilk: WashPost Is Richly Rewarded for False News About Russia Threat While Public Is Deceived
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Sorry to the RT apologists having fun, but while I cannot say much, I will say I have had (legal) access to the full, detailed technical specs for a typical modern EU telecom, including all voice and data switching infrastructure (HW & SW). Let's just say there are many mechanisms for tracking supposedly anonymous traffic: think of the internet as sort of like a downtown urban environment with cameras you can replay at will to see what happened where and when. Whereas encryption may mask content (and not always), the routing is there to see, making senders almost as identifiable as receivers (with some diligence) by backtracking to the source ISP. (Beyond that I am guessing there are more things that can be done, but I cannot vouch for them.)
It could still be true that there is amateurism involved in the server hacking accusations, and they may have been made prematurely. So, it is still wait and see. For now, I don't think the intel is flawed, and rather than for a technical reason, I'll cite another: what it took for Comey's thoroughly Trumpist FBI to come around on the topic must have been epically convincing. As to the meme of the data release being a public service and no scandal, the other shoe that has yet to drop is if any compromising information was also found on GOP servers by the same group(s) and not released, making the entire operation transparently partisan. This may be what has some Republican Senate leaders still pushing for hearings they can control up front. Let's recall: this is the GOP of Abramoff fame and the Bureau of Indian Affairs scandal, and myriad others, including Reagan's record of 138 administration officials indicted. You know, the same, "honest" good ole boys who just tried to nix all effective oversight of their misdeeds. As for fake news and echo chambers, political parties are in the business of power, and long ago they gave away the keys to the kingdom by allowing vast media concentration. It started with Reagan, and ended, as did proper financial oversight, during the Clinton administration. Yes, good ole Bill caved in to every major interest he could bend over for. |
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^obvious WP apologist is obvious.
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I guessed incorrectly: the Russians did not reciprocate with expulsions (as I'd predicted when the story was newer). Color me surprised, but as this has played out I can see why they chose a different course of action.
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President-elect Donald Trump has backed Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in casting doubt on intelligence alleging Russian meddling in the US election.
Mr Assange said Russia was not the source for the site's mass leak of emails from the Democratic Party. Mr Trump has now backed that view in a tweet. He wrote: "Assange... said Russians did not give him the info!" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398 |
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The U.S. Government Thinks Thousands of Russian Hackers May Be Reading My Blog. They Aren’t.
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https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/...c-is-deceived/ I'm still in the 'plausible/likely but not proven' camp. Even for those fully convinced, here's the takeaway we can hopefully see as common ground: Fake news doesn't only mean made from whole cloth. What's that line about the best lies...? |
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Who made you the arbiter of what "fake news" means? In my opinion, "fake news" includes the Washington Post article about Russian hacking of the electrical grid in Vermont. It is impractical to define fake news as being made up out of whole cloth anyway. Virtually nothing is made up out of whole cloth. There is always at least some grounding in common knowledge (or somewhat tailored cloth, if you will). Otherwise it would have no influence at all.
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Senate Hearings are on going as I type.
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"The Intelligence agencies"? At best nameless "officials". What are their names, given they exist? Maybe the liar Clapper, the liar Brennan and that Homeland Security guy? You're fired, you're fired and you're fired as well, they hear in their ears all day and all night. And then? Let me Google this for you. |
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Intelligence agencies wanting more unhindered operational mandate is a 'wild speculation' now? I mean I guess we can argue about whether increasing an agencies powers and resources is rational or not in various contexts, but the idea that they often do want it isn't exactly a leap.
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False news or fake news? Seems like a distinction without a difference.
In both instances, an outlet is knowingly publishing a story of dubious veracity with the intention of generating page views and thus revenue. In both instances, the public are exposed to inaccurate information from which conclusions are drawn about what policies to pursue. |
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Why is there a huge difference? The problem (presumably) with fake news is not that someone makes it up. The Onion does that all the time, and nobody minds. The problem is when it causes people to make bad decisions based on that bad information. But that can happen with any bad information, regardless of the motive behind its creation.
Given the deference granted to nominally respectable sources like the Washington Post, I'd say that when they screw up a story this badly (and do that bad a job at correcting it), the consequences can be worse than with many of these fringe sources that deliberately forge news. |
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Here's McAfee, obviously bought by Putin with a jar of "caviar", but rumour has it that Trump is already one tweet ahead again.
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btw for the Yankistani victims, since the NDAA 2013 it is legal to bother you with this crap.
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I didn't see this covered anywhere yet, so could someone tell me how they know the Russians hacked the DNC when they've never even looked at the DNC servers? I'd really like to understand this because I am certainly confused about it. I thought to determine if something had been hacked you had to examine the files on a server for the malware? Anybody?
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Unfortunately the American political class are the ones who allowed someone like Trump to behave like this. Relentless and sustained attacks against impartial and objective science by climate change deniers and creationists alike, among others, have seriously damaged Americans trust in authoritative sources and by extension their trust in government and the state itself.
This is one of the reason why dishonest and deceptive demagogues like Trump are able to get away with bold faced lies: his behavior isn't all that out of the ordinary. It's not like he sprung out of nowhere. |
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