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9th March 2017, 04:18 PM | #41 |
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9th March 2017, 05:02 PM | #42 |
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Ms. Maddow lays out a pretty solid case.
At about 8:10, it gets really interesting... The GOP platform had a "give Ukraine weapons to help fight Russia" plank/platform in it. Leaked info claims, "Russia leaked Mrs. Clinton's and the Dems' e-mails..and in return Mr. Trump and his campaign staffers/crew/member...et al...will remove the 'give Ukraine weapons to fight Russia'" http://americannewsx.com/hot-off-the...ussia-scandal/ |
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9th March 2017, 05:06 PM | #43 |
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Feinstein wants to subpeona Trump's tax returns.
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9th March 2017, 10:10 PM | #45 |
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Here are a couple pieces I highly recommend:
Russia: The Conspiracy Trap By Masha Gessen, in The New York Review of Books And sort of building and expanding on that, Glenn Greenwald in the Intercept: Leading Putin Critic Warns of Xenophobic Conspiracy Theories Drowning U.S. Discourse and Helping Trump I think reasonable people can of course disagree, but I think they at least both make thought-provoking arguments. Neither of these people are either pro-Trump or pro-Putin by the way; very much the opposite in fact. |
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10th March 2017, 02:22 AM | #46 |
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10th March 2017, 06:23 AM | #47 |
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Great article. Thanks for the link. Of course I don't agree with her on the politics, but I think she's bang on as to her central thesis.
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10th March 2017, 07:30 AM | #48 |
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Thanks for the link, but good God, how do people listen to her? I think this is the first I've heard her, and it's a dreadful, repetitive presentation. She really does sound like a liberal Rush Limbaugh (in terms of style, not degree of partisanship really).
It should not have taken so long to tell us what the damned story was, repeating how weird it was at the time, blah blah blah. Well, back on topic, if Politico's story is correct, this should be a mighty interesting story to follow. |
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10th March 2017, 07:37 AM | #52 |
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On style, I have always thought that Maddow was absolutely unwatchable. It is amazing to me that she has lasted this long (or that she was even given a show in the first place). I honestly cannot watch her for more than a few minutes, and it has nothing to do with her politics (which I would ordinarily be interested in hearing). It's her ability to be condescending, nails on the chalkboard grating, and mind-numbingly boring, all at the same time. Quite a feat actually, but not one that makes for good TV.
Rush, on the other hand, is actually pretty entertaining. It doesn't seem like you've listened to Rush at all if you think he and Maddow have similar styles. |
10th March 2017, 07:50 AM | #54 |
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No, not like this. PBS Newshour (BBC, too) is thorough, sometimes even a bit dull, but not repetitive and maddening like Maddow or talk radio. She must have told us a dozen times that this thing was weird, really weird, before she told us what the hell it was.
That's manipulative. I'm not saying she wasn't also informative, but I really don't need to be primed before you tell me what the hell happened Matter of taste, I suppose, and I apologize for the derail. |
10th March 2017, 07:52 AM | #55 |
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Yes I agree that this was a bit much. She doesn't usually do it quite to that level. But my point was that good information is often boring because it's not spinned.
No apologies required. The whole point of this forum is discussion, and naturally we'll veer a bit off-course sometimes. |
10th March 2017, 11:03 AM | #56 |
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The issue with the bank posted above:
Sources: FBI investigation continues into 'odd' computer link between Russian bank and Trump Organization
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10th March 2017, 03:01 PM | #58 |
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Here's a brief summary:
1. There has been a GOP platform position on the books for some years that is supportive of Ukraine. 2. The wording was softened at the GOP convention. 3. Trump campaign flat-out denied any involvement in the change. 4. A trump campaign official now admits to being the conduit between Donald Trump (personally) and the GOP committee to make the change. 5. Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian operative who had close ties to Manafort. 6. Kilimnik reportedly visited Manafort at the GOP convention for the purpose of effecting the platform change. Authorities looked into Manafort protégé Manafort’s man in Kiev |
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The issue as I understand it was whether to call for supplying lethal aid (or increasing the supply or supplying more sophisticated weapons) to the Ukrainians (which would be a more hawkish position than Obama). The language about sanctions was left in as I understand it.
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Whatever the facts of Russian influence, we know that...
Did I miss any liars? That's a whole bunch of lying. |
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12th March 2017, 02:30 PM | #63 |
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I actually haven't seen any evidence that the Republican platform changed. The 2012 GOP platform had no reference to giving lethal weapons to Ukraine, nor would one expect it since the pro-Russian insurgency didn't begin until 2014. Is there a final version of a GOP platform which was changed, or was it only a draft that changed (or perhaps this is just all nonsense)? You claim to know, so I figured you're the one to ask.
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There was a proposed change. The wording was softened. Nobody is disputing this, including Trump himself. Except you apparently.
This is old news. The new information is Diana Deman's revelation that the marching orders came from Trump personally, and the allegation that Manafort's man in Ukraine was in the Russian military, and that he claims involvement in the platform change. |
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The thing is, none of it seems to matter. In the past this would have caused a major ruckus with people running around like headless chickens trying to cover up and eventually there would be political fallout.
Now all the Trump administration has to do is to keep shamelessly denying that there and any links and if eventually it becomes undeniable, he'll just say "Meh, no big deal" and be spared any damage. |
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More from Maddow, for those who can stomach her, apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKJiEae7TYw Lots of shady, dirty money floating about. |
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
U.S. Charges Russian FSB Officers and Their Criminal Conspirators for Hacking Yahoo and Millions of Email Accounts FSB Officers Protected, Directed, Facilitated and Paid Criminal Hackers
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Did Rep. Nunes misspeak here or did he mean to say I don't think there's any but one under investigation or surveillance activities in the Trump administration? That's a big thing to let slip if true.
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19th March 2017, 02:50 PM | #77 |
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It is way too weird a sentence structure, with very little stuttering in the relevant part, to be unintentional.
I'll make a prediction that he will at least recuse himself from the upcoming Intelligence committee hearings. ETA: Anybody know what the follow-up question was? A proper journalist would jump on that. Because, even ONE person inside the WH under investigation or surveillance, as suggested by Nunes, should be BIG. There's not much mainstream news fallout from that statement, though, as far as I can see. I don't think that means no one has noticed, or understood the significance, in mainstream media. It appears that mainstream media in the USA is treading extremely carefully recently. They don't want to push the wrong button. |
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https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/...sia-collusion/
“On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.” |
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