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24th March 2017, 06:03 PM | #201 |
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24th March 2017, 06:08 PM | #202 |
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To survive election season on a skeptics forum, one must understand Hymie-the-Robot.
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24th March 2017, 06:24 PM | #203 |
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25th March 2017, 07:20 AM | #204 |
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25th March 2017, 07:28 AM | #205 |
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If the White House really was the source of the information, I would expect that to be leaked in the not-too-distant future.
One of the things that President Trump and his closest advisors seem to have failed to grasp is that an unhappy ship is a leaky ship. Their attempts to sideline senior colleagues and administrators will only make this situation worse. |
25th March 2017, 01:26 PM | #206 |
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25th March 2017, 01:39 PM | #207 |
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Trump associates might have been under surveillance for a deal that has nothing to do with Russia - but something to do with Azerbaijan and Iran.
Donald Trump's worst deal You can't tell this story in 140 characters. ETA:
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25th March 2017, 01:48 PM | #208 |
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25th March 2017, 06:26 PM | #209 |
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26th March 2017, 05:43 AM | #210 |
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26th March 2017, 05:46 AM | #211 |
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26th March 2017, 05:49 AM | #212 |
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True, but it does have the effect of making it look like Obama was making secret deals with them, whether or not they go public with anything. It sure is not going to make the folks leaking information (who I assume are mostly/all Republicans) suddenly clam up about anything, though.
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27th March 2017, 08:14 PM | #213 |
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Oops he did it again...
Originally Posted by @realDonaldTrump
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27th March 2017, 10:26 PM | #214 |
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28th March 2017, 02:16 AM | #215 |
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28th March 2017, 03:50 AM | #216 |
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28th March 2017, 04:01 AM | #217 |
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Am I the only one that finds it just a tad odd that a senior Congressman was cruising DC in an Uber in the first place, much less suddenly jumping out of it and abandoning his staffer without explanation after a mysterious phone call? Combine this with the guy briefing the President and the press on vague allegations without ever even sharing his info with the committee in charge of investigating exactly those claims. It's almost like he's decompensating. Starting to have a panic breakdown. I'm a bit worried for him. |
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28th March 2017, 05:24 AM | #218 |
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I feel embarrassed for the people over at Democratic underground. They are posting so many theories and speculative chain of events it is starting to feel like a fan fiction forum. There is responsible examination of events, and then there is pure speculation.
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28th March 2017, 07:15 AM | #219 |
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Yes.
It is not only embarrassing, it may be counterproductive. An op-ed in the NYT dated march/25th: Don’t Fight Their Lies With Lies of Your Own
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28th March 2017, 07:56 AM | #220 |
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Yes. Perhaps it is indeed best for Nunes to step down and allow due diligence to proceed. Cover-ups and silence in the face of probable cause leads to a dangerous vacuum. When is the next public hearing in the Senate, and what is on the agenda? Will the questions be softball or hardball? Will they focus on those who blow whistles, or those who blow up the system? This is the issue for those concerned about fact.
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28th March 2017, 08:02 AM | #221 |
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28th March 2017, 08:05 AM | #222 |
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I notice this morning Nunes keeps answering, 'go see what I already said'. Trying not to trip up? When you are making a story up it's hard to keep the details straight.
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28th March 2017, 08:17 AM | #223 |
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
The current story is that the still-unknown source was on the White House grounds, but not in the White House, so he didn't lie earlier by saying he didn't go to the White House. |
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"I answered your question. I'm cooperating here."
Now he just needs to add, "You darn tootin'"
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28th March 2017, 12:09 PM | #225 |
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I'm not sure I understand this part; Why isn't giving it to a Congressman (who just coincidentally, I guess, happens to be the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence) giving it to Congress? And if it wasn't okay to share it with Congress, why was it okay to share it with reporters? Is he telling us here that he really works for the Executive Branch? Is he saying he's a Trump lackey first and a Congressman second? This must be an "alternative" Separation of Powers. |
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29th March 2017, 02:42 AM | #226 |
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Yes. Yes. And yes it is.
Nunes is not acting at all like a Congressman and certainly not like a Congressman heading an independent committee. He is acting like a Republican toadying up to the head of his party, and he sees that role as more important than being a Congressman. |
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29th March 2017, 03:14 AM | #227 |
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I can see how that's a problem in an abstract sense but in the context of today' highly partisan political environment, isn't he doing exactly what the vast majority of GOP representatives, voters and supporters would want him to do ? Protecting the interests of the Republican president and the GOP in general.
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29th March 2017, 04:46 AM | #228 |
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Yes, but the blatant nature of it is astounding, and I have (perhaps naively) been of the opinion that while the GOP acts in a highly partisan fashion the majority of its members are at root cognizant and respectful of their roles and responsibilities as Congresspersons.
And to be fair, while they are perhaps not so blatant, the Dems are not immune to this type of behavior.
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29th March 2017, 05:26 AM | #229 |
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Trump is not head of the party; chairwoman is Ronna Romney McDaniel, Mitt Romney's niece. Obviously this title does not mean much; Speaker Ryan, Senate leader McConnell, and House leader McCarthy seem to be more important and powerful, although they do not seem to hold explicit party titles as I understand them from a European perspective.
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29th March 2017, 05:29 AM | #230 |
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I don't understand why it would be a big deal if Trump associates had been picked up as part of routine surveillance of foreign dignitaries. I mean, I get why it would look very bad for Trump if that was the case, but I don't understand how it would in any way benefit Trump or lend credibility to his statement about Obama if that was the case.
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29th March 2017, 05:40 AM | #231 |
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Unless I've missed something, Nunes still hasn't shared the intelligence that he got with the rest of the committee. If I had to guess, I'd say that means the Trump team member whose communications were intercepted is Nunez himself and he is in panic mode.
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29th March 2017, 05:58 AM | #232 |
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I think it's just an attempt to "get in front of" the news before it breaks. If the GOP could work themselves into a proper slavering rage over the fact that Trump was incidentally surveilled, it might help diminish the impact of the actual content if and when Nunes can't stall its release any more.
Which, considering what has been leaked so far without this level of misdirection, I'm hoping it's a doozy. |
29th March 2017, 06:02 AM | #233 |
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Isn't the Russian thing dead in the water now? Nunez isn't going anywhere, Ryan is making sure of that.
So now the Trump surrogate is in charge of the committee, and he's cancelling testimony left and right. This thing is finished. |
29th March 2017, 06:19 AM | #234 |
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29th March 2017, 06:21 AM | #235 |
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29th March 2017, 09:07 AM | #237 |
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29th March 2017, 09:16 AM | #238 |
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29th March 2017, 12:05 PM | #239 |
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More likely scenario: Trump (or his staff) called Nunes to the WH and told him to cancel the public hearings, which he did.
The rest is a bad cover story that went awry, maybe Trump wasn't happy with just stopping the committee hearings and also wanted Nunes to throw some 'Trump was right about Obama spying on him' cover out there as well. |
29th March 2017, 12:10 PM | #240 |
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Never fear, the Senate is assuming the mantle. Their GOP committee head worked on Trump's transition team and admits voting for Trump. But he has his act together better claiming to want an honest investigation. Time will tell on that.
In the meantime, they are starting open public hearings tomorrow. They also noted one thing they want to investigate is (paraphrasing) "Russia had 1,000 paid people sitting at computers putting out bots that inserted news stories into social media." |
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