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Old 26th April 2017, 07:56 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I really appreciate it because I actually didn't follow this injunction. Do we know if the city seeking the injunction brought up this point? Did the attorneys for the feds say anything on this point?
Yes. It was a point argued by both sides and ruled on by the judge:

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The judge, William H. Orrick of United States District Court, wrote that the president had overstepped his powers with his January executive order on immigration by tying billions of dollars in federal funding to immigration enforcement. Judge Orrick said only Congress could place such conditions on spending.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/u...ties.html?_r=0
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Old 26th April 2017, 08:03 AM   #42
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It's interesting that you post something like this, you really think I believe this don't you?
Oh, no. I don't think you believe this. But that's what you'd get if US conservatives had their way. The GOP is just too far to the right.

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Even though I have your whole rant in my family, blacks, gays and 1 Arab.
Some of your best friends are black!

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This is why you leftists aren't to be compromised with, worked with or admired. You're to be defeated, because no one can work with people who are this extreme.
And now you're calling me extreme again. Based on nothing, mind you. Saying that the right in the US is extreme does not make me extreme.

In fact, moderates like me are the best thing that could happen to business owners like yourself. I mean, middle-class union workers like yourself. I mean... well, I can't keep track of your claims anymore.
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Old 26th April 2017, 08:05 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
And look at what the dumbass in chief did today (at 5:20am, no less):



He called it a "ban" again. Hahaha.

I mean, he's so amazingly stupid. Anyone who even considered casting a vote for this monumentally inept boob....
It's malice tempered by idiocy and incompetence.
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Old 26th April 2017, 08:08 AM   #44
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Yes. It was a point argued by both sides and ruled on by the judge:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/u...ties.html?_r=0
But the article doesn't support that.

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In San Francisco’s case, the city argued that the executive order violated the Constitution by essentially trying to commandeer state and local officials to enforce federal immigration law. In practical terms, San Francisco’s filing said, forcing the city to cooperate with federal immigration agents would threaten public safety by breaking trust between local authorities and immigrants, who the city argued would become less likely to report crimes or serve as witnesses.
That doesn't address if the city objected because Congress didn't do it. Their argument seems to be Congress can't do it either.
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
And look at what the dumbass in chief did today (at 5:20am, no less):



He called it a "ban" again. Hahaha.

I mean, he's so amazingly stupid. Anyone who even considered casting a vote for this monumentally inept boob....
Oh bloody hell!

For some weird reason Trump keeps thinking that threatening to take judges to court will terribly intimidate them in the same way that Trump terribly intimidated other people when he took them to court.

I still do not think that Trump has realized that since federal judges are already in court day in and day out for the last several years, then taking these judges to court when the judges have the law on their side, will not actually intimidate these judges.
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Old 26th April 2017, 08:30 AM   #46
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But the article doesn't support that.



That doesn't address if the city objected because Congress didn't do it. Their argument seems to be Congress can't do it either.
Bob, you can google the transcripts and briefs and read them. The Complain from San Francisco is based on the notion that the Executive order is Unconstitutional in large part because it contradicts specific funding clauses approved by Congress:

https://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...00485/307351/1

Line 60 states it pretty clearly.

Why is this such a concern that you need to focus on it, but not enough of a concern to read the court documents? That ruling is not something a Circuit court would land on sua sponte and it's one of the more obvious issues with the Executive Order.
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Even though I have your whole rant in my family, blacks, gays and 1 Arab.
From which country?
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Duh Towelheadland.

Obviously.
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Court in the Sanctuary Cities case ruled that the president doesn't have that power, Congress does.
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Old 26th April 2017, 09:30 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
Bob, you can google the transcripts and briefs and read them. The Complain from San Francisco is based on the notion that the Executive order is Unconstitutional in large part because it contradicts specific funding clauses approved by Congress:

https://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...00485/307351/1

Line 60 states it pretty clearly.

Why is this such a concern that you need to focus on it, but not enough of a concern to read the court documents? That ruling is not something a Circuit court would land on sua sponte and it's one of the more obvious issues with the Executive Order.
You seemed like you were in a sharing mood so I thought I would just ask. It does seem weird the NYT article didn't actually address that the city made that argument, and what the Feds countered with.
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Old 26th April 2017, 01:15 PM   #51
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From which country?
He's a Lebanese Christian. Feel better?

Conservative but can't stand Trump or feels that he has to point out what Trump is wrong about. We've had some good conversation.

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He's a Lebanese Christian. Feel better?
Whoa, civil wars have been fought over whether Lebanese Christians are Arabs or Phoenician...

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He's a Lebanese Christian. Feel better?

Conservative but can't stand Trump or feels that he has to point out what Trump is wrong about. We've had some good conversation.
Some Lebanese christians do not self-indentify as Arab. How about this fella?



ETA: Feel better than what?
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The decision was panned by the White House, which released a statement from press secretary Sean Spicer’s office declaring that “today, the rule of law suffered another blow, as an unelected judge unilaterally rewrote immigration policy for our Nation.”

“This case is yet one more example of egregious overreach by a single, unelected district judge,” the White House statement continued. “Today’s ruling undermines faith in our legal system and raises serious questions about circuit shopping."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-cities-237620

Actually it does the exact opposite because it shows that the American judiciary is capable of constraining the authority of this pathetic faux strongman and his actions through perfectly legal means, even if it's only temporarily.

If the judges were unable or simply unwilling to hold the President to account, and make sure they don't act in contravention of laws and regulations, that would signal a weak rule of law.

Other liberal democratic countries might be able to elected governments that are more powerful and suffer far less judicial scrutiny, including a very weak or non-existent forms of judicial review, but it's quite clear that Americans are intellectually and culturally not fit for such forms of government and it's only reasonable for their judges to save them from themselves.
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Some Lebanese christians do not self-indentify as Arab. How about this fella?
Lol
And some do? Who gives a **** that's where he's from.

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That you got your little question answered.
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Whoa, civil wars have been fought over whether Lebanese Christians are Arabs or Phoenician...
Okay, should I call him so he can clarify it?
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Surprise another POS democrat judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-activist.html
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Highway funding tied to drinking age. The principle upheld in South Dakota v dole.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_v._Dole
It's narrow and related. The judge's ruling was based on the order being too broad and not related.

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Court in the Sanctuary Cities case ruled that the president doesn't have that power, Congress does.
That too.

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And some do? Who gives a **** that's where he's from.
Because not everyone from over "there" is an Arab. Or do you say A-rab?

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That you got your little question answered.
That's pretty much what a forum is about. So congrats on baby steps.
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Surprise another POS democrat judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-activist.html
Why do you get _all_ of your news from right-wing sources? Do facts not matter to you?
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Surprise another POS democrat judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-activist.html
I'm guessing from this that you are only against the expansion of the executive's power take over responsibilities that are purely the scope of congress, only when that executive is Democrat?
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Why do you get _all_ of your news from right-wing sources? Do facts not matter to you?
Certainly someone from the middle would recognize what this is.

Just another example of your extreme leftism?
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Because not everyone from over "there" is an Arab. Or do you say A-rab?
And some do, so ******* what?
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That's pretty much what a forum is about. So congrats on baby steps.
Yes, some need the simplest of things answered.
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I'm guessing from this that you are only against the expansion of the executive's power take over responsibilities that are purely the scope of congress, only when that executive is Democrat?
You seem to guess a lot.

Does the executive branch have the perogitive on border security?
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And some do, so ******* what?
And some do what, say A-rab? Sure, lot's a racists express it that way.

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What is this blather addressing?
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And some do what, say A-rab? Sure, lot's a racists express it that way.
Okay, that isn't the way I said it, you seem to be the one using it that way. Are you a racist against Arabs too?

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Lol
And I repeat myself!
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Okay, should I call him so he can clarify it?
Do what you want. Just amused by the highly explosive nature of your unimpressive bragging.
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Okay, that isn't the way I said it, you seem to be the one using it that way. Are you a racist against Arabs too?
No I am not, but you sort of outed yourself there. Nice job, though it's been obvious for quite some time.
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Certainly someone from the middle would recognize what this is.
What are you blabbering about, and how is that a response to my post?

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Just another example of your extreme leftism?
Given that you're possibly the most ignorant person on the topic of the left-right political spectrum that I've ever had the pleasure of talking to, your comment is completely worthless.
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When a judge rules against an Executive Order and the Administration has no other recourse but to abide and grumble (and look to appealing to a higher Court), might that not be a sign that the injunction is indeed legal, and not overreach on the part of the judge? If that judge was indeed overstepping his authority, could he not be simply ignored or censured?
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No I am not, but you sort of outed yourself there. Nice job, though it's been obvious for quite some time.
Yeah sure, you're the one calling them offensive names and I didn't know you were a racist, thanks for letting us know.
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Yes, you've repeated your blather.
Just keeping it simple for you.
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Surprise another POS democrat judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-activist.html
Aww....
Winning too much?

Ask your fuhrer to submit something not so blatantly illegal. Report back with your findings.
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Yeah sure, you're the one calling them offensive names[
No, I was asking you a question.
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. . . and I didn't know you were a racist, thanks for letting us know.
I know you are, but what am I is no way to go through life. You typed:
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Are you a racist against Arabs too?
I highlighted your apparent Freudian slip/admission. Now if it's a grammar and usage issue, well Miss Forbush did you a disservice by passing you last year.

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Just keeping it simple for you.
You are confusing blather with simple. Another usage issue I'm afraid.
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Logger,
When a judge rules against an Executive Order and the Administration has no other recourse but to abide and grumble (and look to appealing to a higher Court), might that not be a sign that the injunction is indeed legal, and not overreach on the part of the judge? If that judge was indeed overstepping his authority, could he not be simply ignored or censured?
They have recourse and are moving forward with that. This judge has thrown out years of precedent and the very same thing liberals have argued to keep the states from protecting their own borders. It will be reversed and quickly.
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Aww....
Winning too much?

Ask your fuhrer to submit something not so blatantly illegal. Report back with your findings.
Lol
Says a corrupt liberal activist judge.
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No, I was asking you a question.
No you were accusing me in the petty way you usually do.
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I know you are, but what am I is no way to go through life.
Take your own advice.

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You are confusing blather with simple. Another usage issue I'm afraid.
You are confusing simple with blather. I try to say things simpler.

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There's something I find irritating. I read a couple of articles about the ruling, and neither addressed the law at all. They talked about it in political terms. Trump wants this. Activists want that. This team won. That team lost.

Fine, fine, but.....what is the law?


I'm guessing, from content in this thread, that the ruling was based on the idea that Congress passed a law that said, "The federal government will give cities/counties/local entities money" and Trump's executive order attached strings to that, "i.e. We won't give them any money unless they do what we want." If that's the case, then it's pretty clearly unconstitutional, but it would be nice if they actually covered that sort of thing in the articles.
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No you were accusing me in the petty way you usually do.
Nothing petty about your slip:
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Are you a racist against Arabs too?
Actually quite revealing.

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Yes, quite simple. Except when it's blather.
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Lol
Says a corrupt liberal activist judge.
You people lose very poorly.
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Nothing petty about your slip:
Actually quite revealing
It could only be revealing to a dishonest person.
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