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13th April 2017, 12:50 PM | #1 |
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Trump drops Mother Of All Bombs on Afghanistan
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Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal
Never used before. One of the reasons why I thought Trump will be the lesser evil compared to Killary is that there will be resistance to further wars, including from his base, instead of just bending over like in the Obama years. So far it seems the only anti-war protests are literally held by Nazis, while "the left" protests for free buttseks and hash cookies or something, if anything. |
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Is there anyone here who knows a lot about MOABs? I keep seeing news stories saying the blast radius is 1 mile, which is just absurd. As far as I know, the effective blast radius of a MOAB is somewhere between 100-200 meters, not even close to 1 mile. So either my understanding of how a MOAB works is seriously flawed, or someone seriously miscommunicated something to the journalists somewhere.
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Why exactly would you have thought that?
Trump supported the Iraq war and the Libyan bombing, so obviously he had no problem using U.S. military forces. (The big difference between Trump and other candidates is that Trump lied about his support, and the media didn't call him on it strongly enough.) Add in the fact that Trump campaigned on a strengthened military, and the fact that he is inexperienced in foreign politics, and it it should have been obvious that he would get the U.S. involved in more armed conflicts. |
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Yes, you did say that. But that is in itself a flawed argument for a number of reasons:
- Trump seems to have no problems taking actions that his "base" doesn't approve of or would actually harm them. What exactly do you think his "base" will do? - Not all republicans are resistant to the use of military action |
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I'm not sure why you would think that anybody would be bothered much about a big bomb being dropped on ISIS caves in Afghanistan.
Also, aren't you a Putin fanboy? Does it bother what he is doing in Syria? |
13th April 2017, 01:21 PM | #10 |
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Last I heard, it is a really big fuel-air bomb. First effect is the overpressure- crushes things and burns things and moves things apart. As oxygen is used up, it creates a partial vacuum which pulls stuff apart including pulling internal parts out - especially lungs and such. Makes the burial/cleanup crews think hard about continuing to fight the people who dropped it!!!!
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13th April 2017, 01:24 PM | #12 |
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It is also called an over/underpressure bomb - which is how I found military info on line for it around 2002/3.............
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Is there any footage or pics of this drop?
All the video and stills I can find are from test drops. Mostly from the one at Eglin AFB. |
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13th April 2017, 01:56 PM | #15 |
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I had heard that it was just a lot of high explosives because above a certain point, it becomes difficult to properly atomize or disperse a that much fuel for a fuel-air device. The Russians claim a larger one, a proper fuel air device, but you know... The news today said it wasn't used to penetrate bunkers but to explode above them (hence the air burst part of the name) and the shockwave was so powerful it penetrated the earth and cement to the tunnels and just killed people inside. |
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It is not a FAE / thermobaric device.
It is filled with conventional explosives, supposedly H6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_H6 |
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Indeed, the MOAB is not a penetrator. For that, we've got the MOP. The MOP is actually heavier than the MOAB (30,000 lbs vs 22,600 lbs), but the MOAB has a lot more explosives than the MOP (18,700 lbs vs 5,300 lbs). All that non-explosive weight of the MOP is basically armor to allow the bomb to stay intact while it penetrates deep underground before exploding.
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Your English is impeccable but you missed certain nuanced aspects of the zeitgeist here in the U.S. There was absolutely no reason to believe that Trump would be more restrained in use of force. He talked about America First but he also wanted a big bump in the military budget. For what? If we're not going to have frigates in the Mediterranean or aircraft carriers near North Korea or overseas military bases in Afghanistan or salvos of Tomahawks ... then what would he want the money for?
Trump's use of force and his hyperbole probably play well to Middle Eastern audiences - I know I am stereotyping but it's true I think - and if we can have a show of force for the time being it will satisfy people. Americans don't like it when the (U.S.) war dead start showing up and I HOPE they have a dawning awareness that the U.S. has a *place* in the world - and that America is not the *whole world.* Trump was shocked that military actions kill civilians. I hope this sensitivity is burned into his brain and that he knows many, many babies die each year, not just the ones in the gas-attack town, and that it's wrong. He could go full-on megalomaniac; too soon to tell. |
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I have to suspend judgment until more info comes in, but I am leery of the fact that the only "win" with a bump in approval Trump has had was when he made something go boom. Now he's done it again, big-league. Time will tell.
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Snowden points out that those tunnel complexes were build and paid for by the US.
$314 Million is the cost of a MOAB, apparently. Sometimes the way down is more difficult than the way up. Or was it the other way around? |
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Yeah, yeah - big boom. So? Was it a legit ISIS target and has it now been neutralized?
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Mother of all bombs sounds kinda nice. Like she cares. You still get blown to bits, but in a gentle, loving way.
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That's why the Russians invented the Father of All Bombs: to let you know you're really gonna get it this time.
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Test run.
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It must be upsetting to Trump that it almost spells OBAMA on the side.
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Who?
ETA: Oh wait. You meant Hillary Clinton, right? That idiot? Let's clear the decks on that one. Hillary Clinton is a flat out moronic idiot. I remain unsure why you imagine my opinion might be otherwise. Or why you think I might be American. I have visited a few times, but I wouldn't want to live there, nor be a citizen of it. Trump has not helped that opinion. |
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