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30th April 2017, 11:40 PM | #41 |
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30th April 2017, 11:46 PM | #42 |
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1st May 2017, 01:09 AM | #43 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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1st May 2017, 01:10 AM | #44 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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1st May 2017, 01:24 AM | #45 |
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On some corners of the internet I've seen it proposed that a central committee would establish "real facts" and newspapers would have to run every article by them so they could determine if their stories were "real" or "false" with failure to do this opening them up to civil suit.
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1st May 2017, 01:52 AM | #46 |
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Yes, exactly. Support your local high school debate team. It's one of the few places where young teenagers learn to exercise their critical thinking skills.
The real-life, almost-instantaneous feedback from debate judges is great for teens. Mostly, teenagers use their critical thinking skills to write papers, and they get those back days or weeks later. You wouldn't train a puppy with feedback that happens days or weeks later, and I'm not sure the delay is that much more effective with human young. |
1st May 2017, 04:58 AM | #47 |
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1st May 2017, 05:01 AM | #48 |
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You know...
Lying under oath is a crime, right? Why didn't they make it so that elected officials were always under oath when on the job? Exaggerated, but I laughed. In both cases he's a threat to the first amendment, at least in principle, and that alone should be enough to get him FIRED! |
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1st May 2017, 05:06 AM | #50 |
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1st May 2017, 05:08 AM | #51 |
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That's what I was refering to, exactly.
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1st May 2017, 05:09 AM | #52 |
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To be fair to Trump, he has no idea what the Constitution says.
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1st May 2017, 05:10 AM | #53 |
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The what?
I remember an episode of the Daily Show where Jon Stewart essentially showed right-wingers attacking every single amendment of the Constitution... except the second, of course. |
1st May 2017, 05:17 AM | #54 |
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1st May 2017, 05:17 AM | #55 |
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I no more want an amendment to expand libel laws than I want an amendment to allow government to stop corporations from publishing political statements about government.
Political discourse is the most highly protected of all speech, because it is speech by the people about their own government. The court has ruled that government cannot become the arbiter of what is true and what is false in political speech. This includes deliberate lies. Those in power cannot go after those who would speak about those in power. |
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1st May 2017, 09:43 AM | #57 |
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1st May 2017, 09:53 AM | #58 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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1st May 2017, 10:55 AM | #59 |
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1st May 2017, 11:03 AM | #60 |
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1st May 2017, 12:39 PM | #61 |
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1st May 2017, 08:39 PM | #62 |
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How to use Libel Laws to turn a democracy into to dictatorship.
https://inforrm.wordpress.com/2015/0...n-tessa-evans/ Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore silenced all opposition with this device. First of all they were bankrupted. If they kept on going they wound up in jail because they could not pay their debts.
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1st May 2017, 09:11 PM | #63 |
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If Trump wants to emulate oppressive regimes, I'd prefer Singapore over Russia, Turkey or North Korea.
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1st May 2017, 09:15 PM | #64 |
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2nd May 2017, 03:15 AM | #65 |
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What's that? Revising the libel laws to keep Trump's feelings from being hurt violates the Constitution? We have a plan for that.
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2nd May 2017, 04:32 AM | #66 |
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So is he going to be opening himself up to lawsuits for his lies about Obama wiretapping him? Seems like a perfect case for slander.
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2nd May 2017, 04:41 AM | #67 |
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Perhaps he's thinking that there there should also be some kind of "executive privilege" to protect The President from accusations of libel relating to statements made as President.
Then again perhaps he thinks that as the statements are completely true - no libel cases can be brought. |
2nd May 2017, 06:46 AM | #68 |
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Sufficiently advanced Woo is indistinguishable from Parody "There shall be no *poofing* in science" Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Force ***** on reasons back" Ben Franklin |
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2nd May 2017, 07:32 AM | #69 |
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Luckily it isn't quite unchecked. The football doesn't have a button that launches the US's nukes in it, rather it has a set of launch options that determine specific strikes scenarios and a code allows him to identify himself and authorise one or more of those strikes. Once he has done so then the orders go to Secretary of Defence to be verified before being sent on to the commanders of the aircraft, missile silos, and submarines that have carry out the command, and it is up to them to determine if it is a lawful order that they are willing to follow. On top of that each launch site has two people that have to be in agreement that the code and order is correct, and that the order is lawful before they proceed to launch. Now the issue is that it is up to them to make the judgement call of whether it is a lawful order and that the President ordering it is sane, since there is no specific safeguard to prevent an insane President ordering a strike or prevent it being relayed to those that would carry it out.
That means that basically we're relying on the Aide that the President would discuss strategic strikes with and the Commanders themselves to act in a way to minimise the damage if an insane President ever authorised a launch. |
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2nd May 2017, 07:36 AM | #70 |
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I don't remember where, but early on I said something to the effect of "Trump is in for a shock once he learns that the First Amendment was meant to protect people's speech, now from him."
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2nd May 2017, 07:41 AM | #71 |
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2nd May 2017, 07:44 AM | #72 |
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No it really is just up to him, former secretaries of defense say that they can not legally stop them and it is a legal order.
See http://www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/ There are talk of laws making a nuclear first strike require someone else's agreement under proposal but current law is that it is up to the president solely. So Secretary of Defense William Perry does not agree with you. They can try to talk the president out of it but at the end of the day he has sole discretion on the use of nuclear weapons including first strikes. |
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2nd May 2017, 07:56 AM | #73 |
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I was thinking something more along the lines of Parliamentary Privilege.
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2nd May 2017, 08:11 AM | #75 |
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Trump to English translation... Waaaa the meanies said bad things about me. And this is the rank infantility that becomes part of the national dialog.
Carry on, I'm still adjusting to our new bizarro reality. |
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2nd May 2017, 08:27 AM | #77 |
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2nd May 2017, 09:08 AM | #79 |
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Whether it's ditching the WHCD, walking away from a (semi) tough interview question, or crabbing about libel laws (and looking into amending the 1st), there is no act of cowardice too chicken **** for this demagogue.
The Wambulance is always parked out back, ready to whisk him away to Snowflake-land and a rally of nitwits to bolster his eggshell ego. |
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2nd May 2017, 09:42 AM | #80 |
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GOP supporters see this as being strong, failing to bend to the will of the White House correspondents and instead holding his own rally, taking decisive action to suppress fake news by tightening libel laws and putting a pushy reporter firmly in his place.
He won't need one. The GOP will continue to back him to the hilt and pander to his whims. They may even attempt to enact legislation to change the libel laws, safe in the knowledge that they will be defeated and that the majority voting against it will be Democratic Party representatives and so Trump can blame the Democrats for foiling him again. |
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