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28th May 2017, 05:01 PM | #1881 |
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28th May 2017, 08:31 PM | #1882 |
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I feel like that it has been 1step forward and 5 back. Big money invested in conservative talk radio all over the country and invested heavily in state races which led to gerrymandering which led to more Republicans being elected despite less votes. They have also invested in phoney studies on all kinds of issues. The Koch Brothers have devastated America. We've seen another state become 'right to work'.
Now we are facing Trump. A man who should be in prison and even if he gets what he deserves, we'll still have an ultra-right wing President, a Republican House and Senate and a conservative tilt in the Supreme Court. A lot of damage to the poor and middle class any way you look at it. |
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28th May 2017, 08:55 PM | #1883 |
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28th May 2017, 09:24 PM | #1887 |
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Musical Chairs: a game played by kindergarten kids and the Trump Administration.
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28th May 2017, 09:33 PM | #1888 |
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I am almost certain that the person setting up the picture didn't realize that Gauthier Destenay was the First Husband of Luxembourg, which does require the tiniest bit of googling since he doesn't have the last name as the Prime Minister Xavier Bettel.
You can't expect White House press staff to make any effort, now can you? |
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28th May 2017, 11:23 PM | #1889 |
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29th May 2017, 01:52 AM | #1890 |
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29th May 2017, 01:57 AM | #1891 |
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That's a claim that flies in the face of reality. Of course there are religiously-motived extremists. Even buddhist ones. What a strange thing to say.
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29th May 2017, 04:22 AM | #1893 |
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That is NOT the same as saying that there is an "Islamic form of terrorism", so it's you who fly in the face of reality. Christian, Muslim and Buddhist religiously-motivated extremists do the same sorts of things, and peaceful Christians, Muslims and Buddhists don't do them. The difference is between terrorism and peacefulness, not between one religion and another.
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29th May 2017, 04:23 AM | #1894 |
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He has no idea what's in the healthcare bill.
I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better! |
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29th May 2017, 05:09 AM | #1896 |
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Of course "terrorism" is the problem. But the ideology, Christian, Muslim or otherwise, can be a root cause, and a different ideology can lead to a different solution to the problem.
Let's use Wareyin's "fat" analogy as an example: being obese is, in that analogy, the problem, but there can be many causes to obesity, from just eating too much to having a glandular problem, etc. Knowing the root causes helps you find solutions. Seriously, this is pretty basic stuff.
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29th May 2017, 05:34 AM | #1903 |
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We've officially crossed over in Bizarro-world.
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29th May 2017, 06:03 AM | #1904 |
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So you are saying that Islamic terrorism is a subset of terrorism with special characteristics derived from Islamic ideology.
Fine. I understand and disagree, just as the higher incidence of terrorist practitioners among Irish Catholics during the Troubles was not in my opinion a result of Catholic ideology, but merely the outcome of a then current insurrection of the Catholic minority in NI. There was never "a Catholic form of terrorism". But you are also saying that anyone disagreeing is an idiot, missing the point, missing basic stuff, and so on; and this invective is in my view an attempt to cover, by browbeating dissidents, the weakness of your own argument. |
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Close. I'm saying that radical/extreme islamism is a subset of Islam, just like forms of extreme, violent Christianity are subsets of Christianity. I think it's accurate to say so, and that it needs to be accepted if we're to solve what we consider to be a problem: extremist ideologyies, each one of which has its own unique flavour.
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"Deep State" = professionals within IC, FBI, other gov't agencies who put the nation first and do their jobs with integrity regardless of the risks or which side they have to take on.
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29th May 2017, 09:22 AM | #1914 |
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I think you have it backwards. Extremism, and violence as its tool is the class. The flavor is what makes each one a subset. If you have a bowl of vanilla ice cream (to continue your comparison) it doesn't matter whether you put strawberry sauce or raspberry on it. It's still a bowl of vanilla ice cream. Islamist, Fundie Christian, etc. etc. The reason they are alike is the behavior, the actions they take in pursuit of their goals. The goals are mostly irrelevant to that. It is the terrorism that is the problem, not what flavor gets put on it. The very fact that so many different flavors employ the same tactics is sufficient evidence of that. |
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Hmmmmm....
raspberry flavored terrorism... |
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29th May 2017, 09:55 AM | #1919 |
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I have been wondering -- is there one authority who could relieve him of his duties in the case of obvious incompetence? Like McCoy on Star Trek relieving the Captain of his command on his medical say-so.
Is there something that's a lot quicker than the impeachment process? |
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