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Old 10th May 2017, 04:41 PM   #321
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What an idiot! White House lawyers had to repeatedly advise the Orange Menace not to reach out to Flynn.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-michael-flynn
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Old 10th May 2017, 06:30 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
Let's see:



-Attempted many times to include Republicans in health care negotiations
More opinions, how about specifics!


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-Begged Republicans to make a deal with him to reform entitlements.
Begged them? Is that compromise. Usually it starts with him coming up with a plan, then including provisions they like. You're welcome!
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-Obama resisted calls by Congressional Democrats to pursue criminal charges against Bush admin folks.
Resisted? How? Did they do something worthy of prosecution?
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-Obama named 3 Republicans to his cabinet
Ah compromise. Are you sure it wasn't because of their experience.
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-He tried to work with them in general capacities:
Do you see how foolish you look saying this?


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-Extended the Bush tax cuts:
Which year was that?


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-Tried to promote bipartisan solution to debt ceiling:
Ahh he tried like a community organizer could. More opinion.


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Seriously, I can keep going. It was the defining characteristic of Obama's first term: attempt after attempt to accommodate, negotiate, and work with Republicans only to be rebuffed time and time again, even when he was giving them exactly what they asked for.
Lol
You're going to have to, because you failed miserably!
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Old 10th May 2017, 06:45 PM   #323
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More opinions, how about specifics!
I don't know how to get more specific than a Republican Congressman talking about his negotiations with the White House.

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Begged them? Is that compromise. Usually it starts with him coming up with a plan, then including provisions they like. You're welcome!
Good lord, it shouldn't surprise me, but your ignorance is astonishing.

Chained CPI? 2014 budget negotiations, Obama offered to cut SS and Medicare in exchange for revenue increases from Republicans - you know, negotiations. Republicans turned him down, fortunately.

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Resisted? How? Did they do something worthy of prosecution?
Many Democrats felt so. That's not really at issue. Whether you believe it or not, Obama set aside any and all investigations into Bush era behavior to appease Republicans.

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Ah compromise. Are you sure it wasn't because of their experience.
How do you think that contradicts what I said? Obama tried to create a very centrist cabinet and wanted to bridge the political divide so he chose Republicans for cabinet positions.

They were, of course, qualified. He needed to appoint inept, inexperienced Republican boobs like Trump in order to satisfy your ever-shifting criteria?

How many Democrats are in Trump's cabinet? Bush's?

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Do you see how foolish you look saying this?
Haha, it's when you start flailing like this that it becomes obvious that you don't even believe your own ********.

Obama tried to set up regular meetings with Republicans to discuss ideas they could cooperate on.

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Which year was that?
2010.


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Ahh he tried like a community organizer could. More opinion.
Ah, your usual refrain. What, exactly, have you contributed beyond your unsourced, ignorant thoughts?

He helped organize a bipartisan group of Senators to develop a solution both parties could agree with. This is not my opinion as I quoted Obama speaking favorably about the effort.

This is evidence of Obama trying to work with Republicans to develop bipartisan legislation.

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Lol
You're going to have to, because you failed miserably!
Yeah, every single on of those items was substantiated and undercut your stupid point.

You say "lol" because you literally have nothing else.
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Old 10th May 2017, 07:46 PM   #324
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I don't know how to get more specific than a Republican Congressman talking about his negotiations with the White House.
I'll help you since you can't. Getting together with republican leadership to hammer out an actual compromise. You using a quote from a liberal is as usual a joke.
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Good lord, it shouldn't surprise me, but your ignorance is astonishing.

Chained CPI? 2014 budget negotiations, Obama offered to cut SS and Medicare in exchange for revenue increases from Republicans - you know, negotiations. Republicans turned him down, fortunately.
Turned him down? Obama changed his mind. It was never a serious offer and laughable that you thought it was.


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Many Democrats felt so. That's not really at issue. Whether you believe it or not, Obama set aside any and all investigations into Bush era behavior to appease Republicans.
He set them aside because they had NOTHING!


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How do you think that contradicts what I said? Obama tried to create a very centrist cabinet and wanted to bridge the political divide so he chose Republicans for cabinet positions.

They were, of course, qualified. He needed to appoint inept, inexperienced Republican boobs like Trump in order to satisfy your ever-shifting criteria?

How many Democrats are in Trump's cabinet? Bush's?
The closes people to him are democrats. Trump is not conservative. Did you think draining the swamp meant bringing in a bunch of establishment democrats?


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Haha, it's when you start flailing like this that it becomes obvious that you don't even believe your own ********.
Saying obama worked with them in general capacities is the definition of flailing. Which of course makes you look foolish.
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Obama tried to set up regular meetings with Republicans to discuss ideas they could cooperate on.
Sadly he couldn't strike a compromise.


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Ah, your usual refrain. What, exactly, have you contributed beyond your unsourced, ignorant thoughts?
Proving how foolish your ridiculous claims are?
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He helped organize a bipartisan group of Senators to develop a solution both parties could agree with. This is not my opinion as I quoted Obama speaking favorably about the effort.
This is evidence of Obama trying to work with Republicans to develop bipartisan legislation
Both parties could agree with? As it failed, your side will claim he tried. His whole administration was set up to fail because he could not compromise in meaningful ways.

Clinton is never characterized that way, he made major compromises with republicans to have a lasting legacy of great economic growth.

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Yeah, every single on of those items was substantiated and undercut your stupid point.

You say "lol" because you literally have nothing else.
No, you've failed in proving the point as you usually do. Obama was and is one of he most partisan presidents we've had. Your first clue would be his failed presidency. Now we have Trump and I hope he doesn't compromise at all.

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Old 10th May 2017, 07:58 PM   #325
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No, you've failed in proving the point as you usually do.
No, I did. This is the game you play. It's old and tired and not convincing.

As usual, our exchange has gone on long enough to prove to anyone willing to read how utterly without substance your worldview is.

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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
No, I did. This is the game you play. It's old and tired and not convincing.
One would think with all this compromising Obama did you could show at least one compromise that was carried through. Clinton had many compromises that could be shown. Another clue how your president was a failure.
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post

As usual, our exchange has gone on long enough to prove to anyone willing to read how utterly without substance your worldview is.
Lol
Long enough to see Obama was a partisan hack and you and others thinking he was some great compromiser is just more fantasy land!
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One would think with all this compromising Obama did you could show at least one compromise that was carried through. Clinton had many compromises that could be shown. Another clue how your president was a failure.
Yeah, that's moving the goal posts. Obama offered endless compromises, as I and others have shown, but the Republicans decided to refuse to work with him. Turned out to benefit them politically, but it is totally incorrect to assert that Obama didn't reach out to them.

As for accepted compromises:

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President Obama announced a tentative deal with Congressional Republicans on Monday to extend the Bush-era tax cuts at all income levels for two years as part of a package that would also keep benefits flowing to the long-term unemployed, cut payroll taxes for all workers for a year and take other steps to bolster the economy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/us...anted=all&_r=0

You're completely wrong, as usual.
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Old 10th May 2017, 09:25 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
I don't know how to get more specific than a Republican Congressman talking about his negotiations with the White House.



Good lord, it shouldn't surprise me, but your ignorance is astonishing.

Chained CPI? 2014 budget negotiations, Obama offered to cut SS and Medicare in exchange for revenue increases from Republicans - you know, negotiations. Republicans turned him down, fortunately.



Many Democrats felt so. That's not really at issue. Whether you believe it or not, Obama set aside any and all investigations into Bush era behavior to appease Republicans.



How do you think that contradicts what I said? Obama tried to create a very centrist cabinet and wanted to bridge the political divide so he chose Republicans for cabinet positions.

They were, of course, qualified. He needed to appoint inept, inexperienced Republican boobs like Trump in order to satisfy your ever-shifting criteria?

How many Democrats are in Trump's cabinet? Bush's?



Haha, it's when you start flailing like this that it becomes obvious that you don't even believe your own ********.

Obama tried to set up regular meetings with Republicans to discuss ideas they could cooperate on.



2010.




Ah, your usual refrain. What, exactly, have you contributed beyond your unsourced, ignorant thoughts?

He helped organize a bipartisan group of Senators to develop a solution both parties could agree with. This is not my opinion as I quoted Obama speaking favorably about the effort.

This is evidence of Obama trying to work with Republicans to develop bipartisan legislation.



Yeah, every single on of those items was substantiated and undercut your stupid point.

You say "lol" because you literally have nothing else.
Why bother trying? You know facts don't matter to Republicans and trolls.

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Old 10th May 2017, 11:52 PM   #330
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White House in turmoil.

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Sean Spicer under fire during crucial week for Trump

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is out of the briefing room this week, and already there is speculation about his future.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/10/medi...job/index.html

It's time to stump, and then dump, the dumb Trump.
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Old 11th May 2017, 12:04 AM   #331
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White House in turmoil.




It's time to stump, and then dump, the dumb Trump.
If I was Spicey I would quit. Being Trump's press secretary has to be an absolutely terrible job.

ETA: I didn't know he is in the Navy.

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Dumb Trump was warned not the appoint Flynn, but dumb Trump appointed Flynn anyway despite the warnings and the fact that Flynn was fired by Obama. Goes to show that Trump is too dumb to be president.

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Senate Intel Committee Subpoenas Michael Flynn in Russia Probe

President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, retired Gen. Michael Flynn, was subpoenaed by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday.

The committee, led by Sens. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina, and Mark Warner, D-Virginia, said it requested documents that members believe to be relevant to its investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...-probe-n757661
Stump and then dump, dumb Trump.
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Old 11th May 2017, 12:16 AM   #333
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Lol
Long enough to see Obama was a partisan hack and you and others thinking he was some great compromiser is just more fantasy land!

Speaking of hacking, whatever happened to dumb Trump's evidence that Obama spied on him? Was Trump's evidence abducted by aliens? After all, Trump is proving that he's spaced-out with each passing day.

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Post-Comey Firing, Trump Impeachment Is 'What the Country and the World Need'

New petition says FBI director's firing adds "another powerful reason for [Trump's] impeachment."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...and-world-need
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Old 11th May 2017, 12:25 AM   #334
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Speaking of hacking, whatever happened to dumb Trump's evidence that Obama spied on him? Was Trump's evidence abducted by aliens? After all, Trump is proving that he's spaced-out with each passing day.
Doesn't matter. Now a significant proportion of the US electorate think Obama did tap his phones and another large portion aren't sure but aren't that bothered that the claims are baseless.

The accusations did their job. Hardly anyone remembers that Jeff Sessions perjured himself (and not all of them actually care). Trump's failure to progress many of his key policies has been kept off the front page and Trump has lost little or no support as a result of the accusations.
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Do you think those missiles that North Korea tows on the parade route are real?
Yes. Do you think they are CGI? (Real what is another question)
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Doesn't matter. Now a significant proportion of the US electorate think Obama did tap his phones and another large portion aren't sure but aren't that bothered that the claims are baseless.

The accusations did their job. Hardly anyone remembers that Jeff Sessions perjured himself (and not all of them actually care). Trump's failure to progress many of his key policies has been kept off the front page and Trump has lost little or no support as a result of the accusations.
I don't think this is entirelly fair considering Trump's opinion polls. There's an idiot core of supporters who won't shift for any reason, but other than that, Trump doesn't have much support among the populace. GOP politicians are another matter. To make them flinch, their own prospects need to be threatened. I believe that's coming.
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I don't think this is entirelly fair considering Trump's opinion polls.
Why not, most people don't seem to be that bothered. For sure Trump is gradually ebbing support but there's no indication of large-scale public outrage.

Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
There's an idiot core of supporters who won't shift for any reason, but other than that, Trump doesn't have much support among the populace. GOP politicians are another matter. To make them flinch, their own prospects need to be threatened. I believe that's coming.
Trump is still at 84% among Republicans and at 40% (and rising) among independents (which is his highest among them since January)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/pr...ald-trump.aspx

What is unusual is that he has almost no support from the Democratic Party supporters. IMO that's more indicative of the partisanship at the heart of US politics rather than it being specifically a comment on his (lack of) performance.
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Trump is burning bridges/ships , whatever metaphor you want.
Until there is a Republican contender sufficiently removed from Trump (i.e. not Pence until he grows a spine), there is no place for the party to shift TO.
So don't expect any wavering of support for the administration until Trump starts purging where it hurts the GOP personally.
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More opinions, how about specifics!
Irony. If only you held yourself to such a high standard.
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Why not, most people don't seem to be that bothered. For sure Trump is gradually ebbing support but there's no indication of large-scale public outrage.
I don't have a direct line to the US public, so I wouldn't know. What I do know is that the pressure is on from the press. That Trump is feeling the pressure should be obvious by now.


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Trump is still at 84% among Republicans and at 40% (and rising) among independents (which is his highest among them since January)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/pr...ald-trump.aspx
Aggregated polls show his job approval at 42 % approve, 53 % disapprove, with a negative trend, and favorability at 41.8 favorable, 54.2 unfavorable, also with a negative trend.

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What is unusual is that he has almost no support from the Democratic Party supporters. IMO that's more indicative of the partisanship at the heart of US politics rather than it being specifically a comment on his (lack of) performance.
It's likely both. Trump's policies should be anathema for any DEM voter.
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Why bother trying? You know facts don't matter to Republicans and trolls.
You are correct. I respond out of a combination of poor impulse control - SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET - and because proving the case reminds me where the facts are.

But yes, it is totally worthless.
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Now he claims to have come up with the phrase "prime the pump". Can he get any stupider?

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript

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But beyond that it’s OK if the tax plan increases the deficit?
It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll…you understand the expression “prime the pump”?
Yes.
We have to prime the pump.
It’s very Keynesian.
We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event? Priming the pump? Yeah, have you heard it?
Yes.
Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.
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Now he claims to have come up with the phrase "prime the pump". Can he get any stupider?

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript


This guy's the funniest person on Earth.
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Now he claims to have come up with the phrase "prime the pump". Can he get any stupider?

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript
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Yes. Do you think they are CGI? (Real what is another question)

It doesn't take much to build dummy missiles. Have you taken a closer look at their guns?
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Now he claims to have come up with the phrase "prime the pump". Can he get any stupider?

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript
It's beyond stupid. Seriously, if you had a friend or a co-worker who behaved like that, what would you do?

The guy is ********** up.
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It's beyond stupid. Seriously, if you had a friend or a co-worker who behaved like that, what would you do?

The guy is ********** up.
He's absolutely amazing. That's why he keeps going; he gets attention for what he does because he's hilarious.

And insane.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
He's absolutely amazing. That's why he keeps going; he gets attention for what he does because he's hilarious.

And insane.
I don't know if this has been mentioned here yet, but there's this interview:

http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump...ing-president/

I couldn't get through it.

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We have to humiliate the enemy. And if we don’t humiliate them, we’re going to have our kids continuing to go and fight for ISIS. We have kids leaving this country because they’re so damned good at the internet, ISIS, they’re better at the internet than Google. You know it’s a smart enemy. Believe it or not. And these kids are going over and fighting.
He talks like the clueless old person at the office who no one wants to see unemployed, or a cargo cultist. It's like he's using terms he's heard others talk about, without knowing what they mean.

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Now he claims to have come up with the phrase "prime the pump". Can he get any stupider?

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript
....and a couple of days ago too

I mean it's one thing to claim that he came up with it decades ago and that other people "stole" it, but to pretend that it didn't exist in an economic context is just bizarre.
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Old 11th May 2017, 08:58 AM   #350
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Another clue how your president was a failure.
Here's one clue of many of just how dumb Trump is. Trump is so dumb that he allowed the Russians to dupe him on photos in the White House, which made Trump a laughing stock in the eyes of the whole world to see. What made it hilarious is that Trump blocked the American media while allowing the Russian media to come in and do its dirty work. To sum that up, Trump has proven once again that he is unfit as president.

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White House furious after being trolled with Russia Oval Office photos

Washington (CNN)The White House did not anticipate that the Russian government would allow its state news agency to post photographs of an Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russia's ambassador to the US, a White House official said.

Photos of Wednesday's meeting, taken by a Russian state news media photographer one day after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey amid questions about possible Trump campaign collusion with Moscow, were ultimately posted by Russia's news agency, TASS.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politi...ans/index.html
Dump Dumb Trump

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Old 11th May 2017, 09:02 AM   #351
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Will it happen?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/dona...-white-n757836


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Trump: ‘Maybe I’ll Release’ Tax Returns After Leaving White House
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Old 11th May 2017, 09:04 AM   #352
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Originally Posted by superfreddy View Post
Yeah, maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:02 AM   #353
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Irony. If only you held yourself to such a high standard.
Yeah, that made my head hurt.
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:11 AM   #354
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Yeah, that's moving the goal posts. Obama offered endless compromises, as I and others have shown, but the Republicans decided to refuse to work with him. Turned out to benefit them politically, but it is totally incorrect to assert that Obama didn't reach out to them.
Usually a president that is known for compromising has several major legislative accomplishments. Your first clue is that Obama has one, that you posted. He is not known for being a president that compromised. Why you "feel" this need to change that is bazar.
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As for accepted compromises:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/us...anted=all&_r=0

You're completely wrong, as usual.
No, it is quite obvious you are wrong in trying to change history. Obama was even known to be aloof, uninvolved, you cannot change that no matter how much you wish it.

So once again it looks like you're in DENIAL!
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:17 AM   #355
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Why not, most people don't seem to be that bothered. For sure Trump is gradually ebbing support but there's no indication of large-scale public outrage.



Trump is still at 84% among Republicans and at 40% (and rising) among independents (which is his highest among them since January)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/pr...ald-trump.aspxr

What is unusual is that he has almost no support from the Democratic Party supporters. IMO that's more indicative of the partisanship at the heart of US politics rather than it being specifically a comment on his (lack of) performance.
And let's not forget the TDS that plays into that. The left has gone bat **** crazy. Its fun to watch!
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:19 AM   #356
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Usually a president that is known for compromising has several major legislative accomplishments. Your first clue is that Obama has one, that you posted. He is not known for being a president that compromised.
You might want to read up on the history of Obamas presidency, your recollection appears to be faulty.

Usually whichever party is in opposition to government can find common ground on some issues and make progress on legislation that benefits the country as a whole. The GOP during Obamas tenure were obstructionist in the extreme, going so far as complete volte face on several issues, like healthcare, as soon as it was Obama proposing reforms.
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:20 AM   #357
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
So once again it looks like you're in DENIAL!
Haha. He isn't "known" as a compromiser. That's your argument?

Oh lord.
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:20 AM   #358
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Originally Posted by superfreddy View Post
Will it happen?

trump-maybe-i-ll-release-tax-returns-after-leaving-white-house
Could be as early as next week!
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:21 AM   #359
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Usually a president that is known for compromising has several major legislative accomplishments.
Usually the President doesn't have a senate whose sole objective is to stop him achieving anything and yet Obama managed to turn the economy around, repair US relations with many key allies, get ACA passed and stopped torture to name but a few things.
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Old 11th May 2017, 10:21 AM   #360
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Originally Posted by Ambrosia View Post
You might want to read up on the history of Obamas presidency, your recollection appears to be faulty.

Usually whichever party is in opposition to government can find common ground on some issues and make progress on legislation that benefits the country as a whole. The GOP during Obamas tenure were obstructionist in the extreme, going so far as complete volte face on several issues, like healthcare, as soon as it was Obama proposing reforms.
So the republicans were different in Clintons two terms, he got impeached for crying out loud! Try again!
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