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10th May 2017, 08:47 AM | #361 |
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1) Only for doofy originalists who exists in a vacuum separate from other doofy originialists. Again, there is no legal theorist who would agree with your process.
2) I did not cite the "intent" behind Checks and Balances for legal purposes. If the Supreme Court were to decide whether or not Congress could act to support Trump's firing, the obvious answer is yes, but that isn't remotely the point I made. It is possible for it to be legal and also highly destructive to our system, as well as an unanticipated violation of the very principle our system is based on. This is true as a matter of history. Congress voluntarily abandoning its powers was not something the Federalists considered a reasonable possibility. The elevation of Party over Country would be very troubling to a group of people who spent volumes railing about the danger of factions. Have you ever read the Federalist Papers? 3) You are completely incorrect about originialism, the constitution, legal scholarship...It's honestly astonishing. |
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I seem to recall various testimonies being taken and evidence presented iin committee hearings. So much for "zero evidence".
And again I point out the circularity of your argument, to wit: There is no need to investigate and gather evidence because there is no evidence to warrant an investigation. We will never get ANYwhere with the traitor McConnell with his clear involvement covering up the early reports before Nov 6. The US Federal government no longer has any claim at all on legitimacy. |
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Yes, I agree. It's people who seem convinced by that vapid line of reason that elevated an ignorant, pissy, orange boy-king to the highest office in the land.
So brilliant is he that after a 10min conversation with Xi, he happily repeats Chinese propaganda.
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Yes, I have read the federalist papers. They are excellent pieces of propaganda.
I also think you are wrong about everything in number three. I am positively dumbfounded by everything you are wrong about. As to point 2, you are the one who invoked originalism in post 343 and brought in a legal theory. I was perfectly happy to stick with the philosophical argument if a system can have principles intended by the creator. We can gladly go back to that. |
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If you're looking for cover-up motives, how about the fact they'd just announced that we'll be arming the Syrian Kurds. Donnie's BFF Erdogan probably isn't going to appreciate that. I'd imagine the EU news cycles were going to be all over it, but it's getting minimal coverage.
I just offer that up. Personally, I think it's just Trump being thick and thinking (and I use that term in its loosest sense) he can keep firing investigators and that this whole thing will go away. |
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It's inappropriate to question Trump's actions, according to Kelly Ann Conway.
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Not when it affects the outcome of an election. Lying to the voters is fraud. The Stines precedent says that when an election is fraudulent, the fraud-committing party loses the seat the the side defrauded.
Hacked voter registration databases, unsecure voting machines, voter suppression laws and tactics ARE election wrongdoing. You just lost what little credibility you had left. However, the former is certainly a logical conclusion based on the later. No foreign power has any business doing ANYthing that affects our electoral process, no matter how small, and the bill of particulars against Team Trump and Russia consists of very big things. Criminal things. |
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Oh god...I should know better than to interact with you at this point.
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So, you're wrong on the history of the Constitution, you're wrong on the school of legal interpretation you cited, and now you want to engage in an even more vague philosophical argument. And, of course, it will take two exchanges for you to paint yourself into some bizarre, incoherent philosophical corner as you have done every time I've interacted with you. |
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In Opposite World, where Kelly Anne resides, we have confirmation.
She said the firing has nothing to do with the Russia investigations. Say no more. |
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you shouldn't put so many points in one post. I'm just going to winnow it down to one or two.
Why do you object to calling the federalist papers propaganda? They were papers to promote the political cause of ratification.
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Comey was reportedly "blindsided" by this announcement -- which proves he was unfit for the job. Any competent intelligence agent would've seen it coming.
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I guess the chunks were still too big.
What I meant was clear. I clarified it. There's no lower common denominator. I've divided as far as I can. You're at the atomic level.
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Personally, I am thrilled Comey was fired. What he did to the election was criminal indeed.
I also believe Trump screwed the pooch by firing Comey. It's obvious that Trump was ebullient about Comey's comments during the election, so for Trump to claim those actions were the cause for termination strains credulity. So... Yeah! Comey got his. Booh! Trump is lying again (or, more accurately, still) and handling important matters petulantly. See, the two are not mutually exclusive. |
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Hacked voter databases: that isn't election wrongdoing. They could be hacked for reasons other than the election (identity theft). Hacking the databases with intent to alter the election is election wrongdoing.
Unsecured voting machines: Every unlocked doors is not evidence that a robbery took place. voter suppression laws: If we want to mean non legal wrongdoing, these laws are absolutely wrong. |
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Get fewer things wrong and I can keep it shorter.
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Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. They were meant to propose the cause, but they were also very important discussions about how government should be structured. They would be important philosophical works on the theory of government whether or not the Constitution was adopted.
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You would need to understand things and get them correct for the patronizing to be effective, but go ahead and give it a whirl.
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Trump is an idiot.
Sure, you will inevitably accuse me of being a leftist, whatever that is, and disregarding that I am center right, not american, nor living in america, nor really caring that you are bent on driving the US to be a third world country because you want it so. If some people really want the US to be that level of medieval nonsense, there is not much I can do but observe that primitive mindset. |
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The Russian Foreign Minister and U.S. Secretary of State (holder of the Russian Order of Friendship) both gestured dismissively at the American press - as they walked past the Russian flag into a White House office, right after the former joked about the head of the FBI investigation into collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign being fired by Trump.
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No. "Campaigning" is putting forth your position to convince the voter based on his agreement with your stated principles and promises. Deceiving a voter such that he casts a vote he otherwise would not have cast is fraud.
No honest court would enforce a business contract where one party knowingly and willingly lies in order to obtain the participation of the other party. Nor would they allow the defrauding party to go unpunished Key word there is "yet". Also, what agency do you propose remains within the system to do anything enforceable by law about the situation? On the contrary, refusing to accept his dismissal (given the clear conflict of interest in an office holder who is under investigation having the alleged authority to fire the law enforcement official doing the investigating) would send a powerful signal and possibly kick some senators into action who are still sitting on their hands. Trump sending in the goon squad to bodily remove him would once and for all expose his real intentions. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN12Y2WY http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-or-are-they-/
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The rationale for the firing of Comey was quite accurate and appropriate.
Comey should have released the data he had on Clinton with considerably more professionalism and there is really no excuse for him so badly handling the announcements that he made on the issue. After all, if Comey actually did need guidance on how to handle the announcements, then he had a whole staff who could have provided the needed guidance. However, what really stinks about the Comey firing both when Comey was fired and when Comey was fired. Considering that Trump has been the President for over 100 days now, and if the firing rationale as stipulated in the Trump memo is actual rationale, then Trump is a seriously stupid idiot to put up with Comey for so long. On the other hand: If Trump fired Comey because Comey would not validate the absurd Trump wire-tap claims, or If Comey was fired because Comey was about to discover some sort of Trump-Putin pre-election collusion, or If Comey was about to discover some other sort of Trump shenanigans, then Trump is indeed some sort of seriously stupid idiot if he thinks that simply firing Comey will somehow serve to protect Trump himself. because such facts always have a way of being revealed one way or the other. |
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You are being deliberately obtuse.
1. Hacking into databases is still a criminal activity regardless of the motive. 2. Securing voting machines is part of the process to ensure fair elections. When they are not, the security of our nation is at risk. 3.laws against voter suppression are wrong? You can't be serious? |
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I can't keep up anymore.
Sessions said this... Comey said that... Manafort lies to Trump... Flynn lies to Trump... Yates.... Clapper... Trump praised Comey... Spicer literally hides in bushes.... Comey was in Obama's and therefore Clinton's pocket.... |
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While there are plenty of skeptical people here, doubting the GOP will do anything against Trump, I don't think the majority in this country are OK with King Trump. This whole affair is offensive.
What I think is, our news media is all about scandal. This is big-time scandal. They are going to drive the narrative. |
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