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9th May 2017, 06:44 PM | #161 |
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Trump just fired the guy who was heading the Justice Department investigation into possible ties between his campaign and Russia/hackers, and ties between Trump and foreign interests.
But there's nothing there. No evidence of anything. No evidence of a cover-up or an attempt to hurt the investigation. |
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Yes, and Reagan never sold weapons to Iran.
And Nixon did nothing wrong. Its all just butthurt Democrats who can't get over the election. Trump won fair and square and has no conflicts of interest in foreign nations. Flynn, Page, Manafort are all innocent of any wrongdoing. |
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Breaking news that may shed light on the timing of this newest bit of autocracy:
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I still have concerns about this after it was demonstrated for all to see how easy it was to hack and alter the Diebold voting machines and the issue was just ignored.
I think denial was a part of it. Gore getting frustrated with the recounts was another part. Of course Bush didn't want to take it seriously the same way Trump doesn't want the Russia thing taken seriously. But there was a demonstration just how easy it was to change those results. Our election integrity has been a mess since Bush v Gore. This year it escalated. I think Comey should have been fired. Obama should have fired him after the Oct surprise letter but that would have created a political firestorm. But none of that is mutually exclusive of Trump firing Comey because Comey couldn't be controlled. This just raises the likelihood Trump was involved in the Russian efforts to influence the campaign. There's no way his underlings did all this without Trump knowing what they were doing. |
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Excuse me, but did you just say that there is no evidence Flynn, or Page, or Trump has done anything wrong?
No evidence at all? That's not intelligent skepticism, that's just hyper-partisan denial. Welcome to the world of 9-11 Truthers and Holocaust Deniers, my friend. |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politi...ry-fbi-russia/
Justice Department under Comey issued subpoena against Flynn, hours before he was fired? Just a coincidence. There's nothing there. Look away!!!! Look away!!!! |
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Then you haven't been paying attention.
Trump helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan in a horrible location, with the help of a corrupt Transportation Minister who has a track record of building very wasteful projects and has ties with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. And that's just the beginning. |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politi...ry-fbi-russia/
Washington (CNN)Federal prosecutors have issued grand jury subpoenas to associates of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn seeking business records, as part of the ongoing probe of Russian meddling in last year's election, according to people familiar with the matter. CNN learned of the subpoenas hours before President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey. The subpoenas represent the first sign of a significant escalation of activity in the FBI's broader investigation begun last July into possible ties between Trump campaign associates and Russia. Huh, Trump fired Comey right after Comey steps up the Russiagate investigation? Smells like a cover up |
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No, it is evidence of compromising ties with Russian interests.
Ties that could be used to blackmail him. However, we KNOW that Carter Page, who Trump named as a campaign advisor, was talking to Russian intelligence agents. We also know that Paul Manafort, his former campaign manager, is being forced to register as a Foreign Agent, due to his work for the Russian-puppet leader of Ukraine. We know that Michael Flynn illegally accepted payments from a foreign power, in violation of his military retirement regulations. That foreign power is Russia. Federal Grand Jury has now issued subpoenas. But yeah, there's nothing there. They should end the investigation immediately. |
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Last time I checked, Trump fired Flynn because he was not honest.
Not because he violated the Logan Act. Not because be violated the terms of his military retirement. Not because of his connections to Turkey and Russia. Trump doesn't care about any of that. It appears Trump thinks the cover-up is worse than the crime. |
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No but if you add in Comey's apparent personal bias that Clinton was guilty of something he just couldn't prove you might make a case.
The plot thickens. Am I the only one who didn't know there was a Grand Jury convened? It would appear those subpoenas were issued before the 'Comey fired' letter went out.
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I'd say only to Trump fans that really don't care because they'd have thought it a genius move no matter what he did including having him called to the White House and publicly executed on the front lawn.
The issue with Trump's claim is that at the time Trump was acting as Comey's cheerleader. You don't get to cheer on someone and then six months later declare that the very thing you cheered on was a firing offence. If it's a firing offence now, then it was 6 months ago too when you were all for it. What that reeks of is hypocrisy. There is also the matter that the actions aren't Trump's concern as a boss. They were dealt with under Comey's boss at the time, Obama. If it was a fireable offence, then he should have been fired then. If you don't get why then look at it this way. You do something in your job that breeches the rules. Your boss considers it and lets you off with a warning. Six months later a new boss comes in and decides that the warning was insufficient and fires you for something that you didn't even do on his watch and had been actioned already. See why such a thing is unfair? What else do we let this sort of thing happen for? If a new moderator doesn't like how one of your posts was handled six months ago, should they be allowed to have you banned over it? In a new Prosecutor decides that he didn't like that you were warned rather than prosecuted for something, should he be able to restart legal actions against you after they were dealt with? If this sort of thing is allowable and fine, then no one is ever safe from further retaliation over their actions because anyone can later revise the issue and take further actions against you. This is a totally unjustifiable and unfair way to live, and why such things as double jeopardy laws were included in our criminal justice systems. Now in all of this, I'm not disagreeing with Trump firing Comey, he has that right, though it is rarely used, but what I am saying is that it's not a Genius move to blame it on the way that he handled the Clinton Email Case since at the time Trump was his biggest cheer-leader and so now in claiming to be firing him for it, Trump is behaving hypocritically. |
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