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10th May 2017, 07:26 AM | #321 |
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When the institutions that are supposed to keep presidential authority in check fail, as they will have if Congress fails to act against the president, what other checks and balances are left? Is it the coup d'état that some right winger on this forum talked about as a safety so we wouldn't worry about Trump?
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Nixon didn't get away with it and he's waaay smarter than Trump. There are more than enough Republicans up for re-election in 2018 that this won't happen.
Not that Trump won't try to appoint Giuliani or Christie to head the FBI. My guess is he's looking for just that much of an ass kisser. At most Trump will get his personal leaker to tell him where the Russia investigation is going. But we still have a balance of powers here despite Trump imagining himself dictator. |
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This is yet another situation where your complete dedication to avoiding empirical reality will lead you to nonsense.
The principle of checks and balances in this country, if you read the Federalist Papers, was largely based on the idea of competing ambition. You could rely on Congress to hold the President in check because both groups would act to maximize their own power and influence. This was a principle underlying the structure, but it was not black letter law. There is no requirement of Congress to act to maximize its own influence with regard to presidential ambition. So, in fact, our system can easily break down if that principle is undermined and Congress behaves as a lackey for a president. We saw this happen during the Bush years when even Democrats like Hillary Clinton rolled over and gave the executive massive power over war making. It is fully possible for Congress to arrive at terms based on their technical abilities under the law that destroys the very principles that checks and balances was based upon. |
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It's my understanding that the FBI is the investigative wing of the Justice Department. The FBI looks into matters and makes a recommendation to JD about prosecution. However, the JD can prosecute with or without the FBI's recommendation.
If trump is saying this about how Comey publicly handled the Clinton investigation why did trump praise Comey's action at the time? If trump is saying it's because Comey didn't recommend prosecution of Clinton well the JD could have moved forward anyway. If trump is saying it's because Comey botched the Clinton investigation how do they know this? Does trump and the JD have evidence damning Clinton? If so why have they not acted? Where did this evidence come from? None of this makes much sense if one accepts the white house premise that this was about the Clinton investigation. |
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The timing was, of course, glorious because the Hillary crowd was bitterly complaining about Comey all yesterday morning based on alleged misstatements about Hillary's cowboy server, and all yesterday afternoon they are praising him as the sole bulwark against Mean old Mister Trump.
At noon they wanted to run him out of town on a rail, by 6:00 they wanted to place his statue on the top of the Capitol. |
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<------- The GOP are largely silent and will doubtless do nothing about any of this. The media may have a couple of stories today but in a couple of days there'll be a new shiny thing to distract them. The electorate, a few politically active individuals aside, couldn't really give a stuff - they're more interested in their own lives and problems - I'd be shocked if more than 1 in 10 care much less are in any way outraged by any of this. |
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Again, this is ignorant nonsense. The most famous Original Meaning originalist was Scalia. He absolutely looked to sources beyond the 4 corners of the document to determine that meaning.
Original Meaning theorists constantly cite the Federalist Papers and other people who weren't involved in the Constitutional Convention, like Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. Even the wiki contradicts your silliness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_meaning |
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There are a couple of differences:
- Republican congresscritters seem to be more scummy these days and more protective of their turf, so they'll be willing to look the other way when it comes to Trump's corruption - Republican voters are currently idiots (they voted for Trump after all), so those same corrupt republican congresscritters have less backlash to fear frm the electorate if they don't act |
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That was an odd interview where she basically said she takes full responsibility and then spouted off all the reasons why it wasn't her fault.
But you've replied with a non sequitur. You refuted the idea of the email server being a big nothing by saying that Hillary objected to it's politicization just days ahead of the election. That doesn't address the issue of whether there was anything about the email server to be concerned about. This applies whether you believe there was any reason for concern or not, as the politicization of the investigation (and potential impact on the election) is a distinct issue from the investigation itself. |
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I was referring to Hillary's comment where she said "“If the election had been on October 27, I would be your president,” and this:
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And this sort of ... stuff is why we have Trump as president.
I dare you to make a sillier comment. Because I'm an optimist, I still believe that you understand the distinction people made between the legitimacy of the Clinton emails as a "scandal" (whether or not there was any actual wrongdoing - there wasn't) and the effect it had on the public. Unless you believe all the people calling in about the War of the Worlds radio program indicates that aliens were actually attacking. |
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Dumb.
For the 20th time (of what I'm assuming will be 6,000, minimum), there is nothing inconsistent about: 1) Believing that Comey acted inappropriately with regard to the Clinton emails, and 2) That Trump's firing of Comey is deeply troubling. No one believes that Trump fired Comey because he was pissed that Comey helped Trump win the election. |
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