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16th May 2017, 06:17 AM | #361 |
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16th May 2017, 06:19 AM | #363 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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To survive election season on a skeptics forum, one must understand Hymie-the-Robot.
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16th May 2017, 06:22 AM | #365 |
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16th May 2017, 06:24 AM | #368 |
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The Iraq war quotes are not so obviously inconsistent. In one, he claims it's a military success and in the other, a mess. If it is a mess for political or other reasons, then the two claims are not inconsistent.
I haven't checked the context of the quotes, so the inconsistency might be obvious. But, generally speaking, looking up Trump quotes in context doesn't make them easier to understand. His conversational style is "advanced addleheaded." |
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16th May 2017, 06:25 AM | #370 |
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Catch this OTHER "breaking news":
https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/...76647222095872 News: Trump to file 2017 financial disclosure "in a short period of time,” per WH official. Also, if any reporter actually covers this nonsense, other than to say, "in an obvious attempt at distraction, the Trump administration tried to change the topic" and not let it work, they need to be fired immediately. |
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16th May 2017, 06:29 AM | #371 |
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16th May 2017, 06:30 AM | #372 |
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And here comes the damage.
European official tells @AP their country might stop sharing intel with US if Trump gave classified info to Russian diplomats.Leaking intel you don't have permission to share is sprinting past a large red line in the intel community. |
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16th May 2017, 06:32 AM | #374 |
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It rather depends on the details we don't know. If the intelligence came from another nation that did not want it shared with the Russians (which some stories allege), then Trump has harmed our relations and the willingness of others to share intelligence with us, thereby potentially putting more people at risk.
Frankly, the story that Trump revealed it to boost his own stature seems more plausible to me than that he was warning the Russians regarding the safety of their citizens, out of a deep and abiding concern. But I recognize that opinion is biased. You and I don't know how it was revealed (presuming the stories are correct), so we can't assume that the leak was done to save Russian lives. |
16th May 2017, 06:34 AM | #375 |
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It is most likely true, but would it kill the post to get someone on the record? It is possible (however remote) that none of their sources exist and all these news agencies are making it up and agreeing to back each other.
Claims are supposed to come with facts backed up by reviewable evidence. |
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Had Obama done something like this, it would have been with care and forethought.
Trump apparently surprised the administration members present at the meeting and they had to quickly alert the CIA and NSA immediately thereafter. For all Obama's faults, he is not one to speak without thinking. |
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16th May 2017, 06:37 AM | #379 |
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Occasionally certain conservatives - often evangelical Christians - bring up their more substantive support for the man: the Supreme Court. Pence would work just as well or better.
The free-marketeer conservatives are a little less enchanted and support from the libertarian wing (at least yesterday) waned due to Sessions' zeal to lock up as many people as possible. His lack of discretion makes me think of a Ron White line about getting arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct. "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability." Though memories are short and Trump loses no core support, the general impression among the public is not helped by his almost daily gaffes. His VP and key Cabinet members have been hung out to dry on several occasions and may be getting sick of him or alarmed by what comes out of Trump's puckered sphincter of a mouth and his accumulation of unhinged tweets. ETA: Does he have any idea what it takes to rise in the ranks of the KGB? I don't think so. He may think he can pressure the Russians to step up the fight against ISIS but he cannot out-manipulate Putin. They will use Trump's intelligence against him, if it suits them. ISIS is not a Russian priority right now, IMO. |
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Of course, there's no reason to presume that the stories are correct. And not only do we not know how this information was revealed, we don't actually know what was revealed either. The story claimed that Trump told the Russians what city our intel came from. We have no confirmation of this, but this was supposedly the part that might hurt our interests (although that presumed harm is based upon supposition too). Revealing intel which might help Russia stop an ISIS terrorist attack against Russia would not by itself hurt our interests.
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To be fair, the tu quoque is based on the reaction of supporters, not what the bigwigs did.
But it's still a tu quoque based on a counterfactual. It is a funny stretch of an argument, but one made by both camps. How many people have pointed out that, had Hillary done this, the reaction from the GOP would be loud and forceful? |
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What information is that? All I learned about from the various articles is that the intel communities are concerned about laptop bombs, but we knew that. That was reported when Homeland banned laptops from flights from several airports and again more recently when they began considering banning them from Europe.
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16th May 2017, 06:44 AM | #389 |
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No, he hasn't.
The key part of the story is that Trump supposedly revealed the city that the intel came from, that this might lead the Russians to discovering our intelligence asset, and that this discovery might hurt our interests. Russia merely having information about possible Islamic terrorist attacks does not by itself harm us. We aren't worse off it Russia stops a terrorist attack. So, did Trump confirm that he told the Russians which city the intel came from, which is the part that is supposed to make him look bad? No, he did not. He confirmed the part of the story which doesn't make him look bad. The best you can say is that he didn't specifically deny the part that is supposed to make him look bad. Not much to go on, though. |
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The reason to presume the stories are correct is simple: The WaPo claims several sources, and other news organizations have found that their sources confirm the same story.
As the Scum said, either there's a group in the administration making up lies to spread to the press or the press is conspiring to tell consistent lies or the story is true. The last option seems most likely. As far as our interests go, sharing intel with European allies is very much in our interest and giving that intel to the Russians jeopardizes that interest. |
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