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15th May 2017, 07:14 PM | #201 |
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"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." - "Saint" Teresa, the lying thieving Albanian dwarf "I think accuracy is important" - Vixen |
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15th May 2017, 07:25 PM | #208 |
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At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.
McMaster later told reporters at the White House, “Other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. I was in the room, it didn’t happen.” “This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced,” added Dina Powell, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, who also attended the meeting. |
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15th May 2017, 07:33 PM | #213 |
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Two things being conveyed... First, reporters were describing the TVs being turned up to cover the sound of a loud bit of yelling (at Bannon?, Priebus? etc.). That's hilarious. Second, the night is not so young East Coast time. 10:30ish and they uncharacteristically have still not called a full lid on the press. That is more ominous. (Ok... and hilarious too. ) |
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15th May 2017, 07:37 PM | #214 |
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Denying things that weren't actually reported by the WaPo is an implicit admission that what they reported is true.
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Things are fun (for us "libruls") when a Republican Ethics Lawyer* (almost choked typing that) spends so much time excoriating the "Republican" POTUS.
* That's Richard Painter of course... I swear I believe that man would love to bitch slap Trump if he thought the USSS would allow it. |
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I think we're getting there. I still say we just need to hold on until Nov 2018 but Trump may not make that possible.
It's one thing to get away with making a bunch of BS promises. It's another when you are actually charged with the job and the fact the emperor has no clothes becomes painfully apparent. |
15th May 2017, 07:44 PM | #219 |
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Exactly and which goes quite a distance to confirm what was reported!
If someone is accused of stealing a car and in a carefully crafted response they deny stealing a yellow car, any smart person will begin to wonder just what color was the car that they did steal. Trump really has presented the problem of what do you do with a President who is probably the greatest single threat the USA faces today. The 25th Amendment is created for this kind of purpose, but will there be enough Republicans in Congress brave enough to invoke it? I have no doubt many of them recognize the threat and go to bed every night deeply frightened of what Trump may do next. But will that fear and internal love of country (and I believe some have that too) make them break with official policy and do something public to fix it? |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Perhaps as has proven true of these "denials" by people paid by Trump to rearrange the facts after the event we will discover the full truth in the next few days.
As to the Secretary of State etc.: "they remember the meeting the same way." Exactly what way was the "way" that they agree on? Do they agree that Trump never said the things that the newspapers never claimed? TBD: you are smart. You know how conniving people, given a little time, can invent clever wording to deceive our ears but not actually deny the truth (paraphrased from MacBeth). The wording here is very suspicious. We will see for certain very soon. |
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So we're faced with three options:
1. Multiple media outlets conspired to fake a story about Donald Trump doing something stupid. 2. Multiple sources within the White House conspired to fake a story to multiple media outlets about Donald Trump doing something stupid. 3. Donald Trump actually did something stupid, likely in an attempt to impress powerful Russian people. |
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It's only a 2 seat majority. It could flip. But it's a long way off. It really depends on a lot of things. Mostly it's if people really get sick of it or him. Does Trump's support soften. Are there some real crimes behind this. If actual collusion between Trump and the Russians can be proven not just maybe a single staff member.
I'd bet if you held a secret poll among Republicans Congressmen and Senators if they could send Trump packing 70 to 80 percent of them would do it in a heartbeat. They don't like him. They like having a Republican in the White House. They are just afraid of his base. |
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I'm impressed to find a 6-page thread on this that I missed until now, after reading the story pretty early in the afternoon. I just thought, well, that's Trump. Scandal fatigue is setting in. I always knew he was going to blab classified info to impress someone. We really have no way of knowing at present whether any damage was done. I hope what he's doing is at least gradually alarming his Cabinet because those are the guys who have the power to remove him. Whenever he burns a Cabinet member I take heart.
I read somewhere his meetings tend to be packed, instead of handled with a few key staff who can drive the day's agenda forward. So at least a lot of people see him screwing up. As for McMaster and Tillerson, their narrative will be aimed at protecting the president, but privately they may be thinking WTF is this guy doing?! Are they going to follow him of a cliff? |
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No-one can argue the scenario is not credible. One can easily argue it's predictable, given that something like this has long and often been predicted.
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And of course it leaks. There are clearly multiple sources for this story, all telling a coherent and very credible story.
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If this intelligence leak really happened, Trump committed at least one felony if he did not specifically declassify or clear the Russians to receive it. I'm pretty sure the President just blurting out information is not the same as declassifying it.
Either way, he caused "exceptionally grave damage", as it says on all the materials I have to rebrief on what seems like every six weeks, to our national security. He may not have specifically named "sources and methods", as McMaster's carefully-worded excuse said, but he certainly compromised them. He also caused significant damage to our relationship with the intelligence service of whatever ally furnished us with this information, receiving in return our guarantee we would keep it safe. I would go to jail for years and years if I did what Trump did. He gets defended by people who wrap themselves in the flag but are absolutely willing to throw their own nation under the bus because it makes libruls mad or some other infantile reason; or gets Congressmen saying it's "concerning" but willing to let the treachery and corruption and incompetence go on as long as it helps them cut taxes for the richest folks, and thus line their own pockets. Useful idiots, some of them; traitors, the others. The sets intersect - Trump belongs to both. |
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