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16th May 2017, 05:45 AM | #321 |
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Kind of funny seeing the apologists change from "fake news" to "no big deal" and/or "Obama!!!1!"
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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16th May 2017, 05:49 AM | #328 |
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I'm not sure how you are reconciling this.
"he is also probably responsible, but the real people putting lives at risk is the papers/leakers" The way I understand it, and alluded to by Tony, is that Trump has passed on information that the Russians could use to identify where his intelligence on the matter is coming from. The papers have been requested by the US intelligence community not to share that same detail, and as far as I am aware, they have acceded to that request. The only person who had leaked that to the Russians was Trump, ergo the real people putting those sources at risk is only Trump. |
16th May 2017, 05:51 AM | #329 |
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I'm sure the Russians already knew that the US had received some kind of intel about this given that we are planning on banning laptops from flights into the US. No reason for Trump to give details about it including which city the threat originated from. This isn't even something that was given to actual allies.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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16th May 2017, 05:54 AM | #333 |
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Not to mention the fact that no news outlet has put out the actual classified information. That was all Trump.
Eeyore1954 is trying to get us to accept that we should criticize news outlets for reporting that Trump disclosed classified information to a foreign power. This is how desperate conservatives are to defend Trump. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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16th May 2017, 05:57 AM | #338 |
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I agree that each of those quotes can be defended as consistent -- except the NATO quote. Nothing changed in those five days, so either Trump was inconsistent or he was bloody ignorant on Mar. 21 and learned something prior to Mar. 25 that made him think NATO was obsolete.
So, a man of no fixed opinions or a man remarkably ignorant about NATO in our highest office. You must be proud. |
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Dershowitz didn't say the highlighted.
What he said is, "the most serious charge ever made against a sitting president." Presidents may have done worse things without being accused of doing so while in office. So, you're utterly certain Dershowitz is wrong. What counterexamples can you give? I'm limited in my historical knowledge, but Iran-Contra and Watergate certainly come to mind. The latter is purely domestic, and if Dershowitz was concerned primarily about our international relations, might not be a counterexample. Iran-Contra is pretty damned bad, as I understand it, but didn't cause our allies to wonder whether it is safe to share intelligence with us. Dershowitz's claim is vague enough that I can't figger out if it's plausible or not. Why are you so certain that it's a stupid claim? What do you have in mind? |
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How very weak.
No, if Obama revealed extra facts unnecessary to the "humanitarian" goal that put sources at risk, such as the city where the intel originated, there would be a stink. But this is a fantasy scenario. It's highly unlikely Obama would do such a thing because he's not a self-aggrandizing moron with diarrhea of the mouth. |
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I am getting the feeling there is some misunderstanding here.
What is currently out in the open as a result of the leak/newspapers is not compromising to the source of the information. Your question about why the Russians would undermine a potentially beneficial source is, imo, irrelevant. The fact is that they have information which could compromise that source, and what they do with that information is totally out of the control of both the US and whoever passed that information to the US. |
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I have noticed that the usual Trump lap dogs in Congress have been deafeningly silent on this latest Trump cluster ****.
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"I am imagining a scenario by which you guys would be hypocrites, so you are guilty of the hypothetical tu quoque fallacy."
"I wouldn't be in trouble if you hadn't told on me." Did I do a decent job summarizing Eeyore's argument? |
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There's more where that came from. Some can be defended. some not.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...ictions-213869 |
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They already knew that they were plotting to blow up planes with laptops and it has already been widely reported that the US is planning on banning laptops from planes travelling into the US. So they would have to be exceptionally stupid to not know that they US has intel about their plot.
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