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18th May 2017, 05:33 AM | #81 |
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Hopefully, the appointment of Robert Mueller as Special Counsel will bring a least a temporary halt to the Trump 2020 election campaign.
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Your first point is true and something the anti-Trump crowd (and I am part of it) needs to be prepared for. I have said to others who crowed about Mueller's appointment that they were conditioning their joy on the assumption that Mueller will find nasty stuff that brings about Trump's downfall, but it is entirely possible he will not. If that is the case, we must be willing to accept it as a vindication of Trump. Of course, that assumes an absence of shenanigans that bring the investigation itself into doubt, and that's a rabbit hole I do not want to go down.
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First off, Trump won't be impeached this year, if at all. We aren't at Congress calling for impeachment yet. The investigation part will be most of this year, if you include whatever hearings and various other dog-and-pony shows they put together. If it even gets to a discussion of impeachment it'll be timed, oh so coincidentally like the Gowdy commission, for just in time for the mid-terms.
The GOP got Nixon out before the mid-terms. Ford had 2+ years. How'd that turn out for him? And Gerry was a nice affable guy. Pence is that guy with a broomstick up his ass who won't give you back your ball when it goes over the fence into his yard. |
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Here's an interesting question: can Mueller go after Sessions for perjury? Sessions did lie to congress with regards to his conversations with Russian officials...
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I agree we're a long way off. But as many similarities to Watergate that are obvious there are many differences. And the biggest difference is between Trump and Nixon. Trump ran as an outsider and is an outsider. He really doesn't have the allies that Nixon had. Nixon was the long time insider having served in Congress, been VP for 8 years and President for 4 years before anyone thought of Watergate as anything more than a collection of offices, apartments and a hotel. Also, a big delay was the battle over the tapes.
My supposition is that if it's obvious that this is going to get uglier and nastier and Trump is going to cause a lot of damage to the party, the GOP leaders will make a practical decision to move on as quickly as possible. These are all big 'ifs'. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit that there may come a time that the Republicans will be pushing for Impeachment more than the Democrats. |
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...what? Ok, let me try to fix this.
My supposition is that if it becomes clear that this is going to get uglier and nastier and that Trump is going to cause a lot of damage to the party, the GOP leaders will make a practical decision to move on as quickly as possible. Ah, that's better! |
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Does this allow him to do a forensic audit of the Trump Organization to answer, “What does the president owe and to whom does he owe it?”
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I also agree. The Republicans in Congress have two goals (just as the Democrats):
If they are confident they can do all of this without Trump, they will turn on him. Trump only counts in how it affect their relection. However, we haven't reached that point. I can't help but think that many now see Trump as a liability for their reelection but not to the point where they can be openly attack or even strongly distance himself. As far as the agenda, as long as Pence is in office and they retain control of Congress, they can move their agenda forward with or without Trump. Their bigger problem with the agenda is not Trump but internal party divisions. |
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There couldn't be any more normal person than Pence. As usual your side is ignoring some key points. This investigation takes the heat off Trump for now, it also will last beyond the mid terms. The reason why and final thing you're missing is this prosecutor can go anywhere, meaning all the things my side wanted investigated is going to be looked at.
Wouldn't it be juicy if this investigation about Trump turns into charges against over zealous Obama goons? |
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....and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
I understand why you hope that President Trump's evidence free ramblings have some basis in fact and why you hope that what seems to be damning evidence against his administration doesn't pan out. I suspect you will be disappointed but am reassured that if it does turn out that way, Trump's cheerleaders will insist that the investigation was rigged. |
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One wonders what logger considers "normal".
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18th May 2017, 09:36 AM | #118 |
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If you mean sexist homophobe, I would agree.
But that still makes him 100 times more normal than Trump. As for the investigation taking the heat off Trump, we don't know that but I find it unlikely given the interactions between Trump and Comey as well as Trump's attempt to reverse 70 years of US policy towards Russia. Here's a guy who has barely even thought about politics other than how it might help his own personal agenda and all of a sudden, he's badmouthing our long term allies and dropping out of NATO. There are just far too many clues pointing to Trump to ignore. You may believe in strange coincidences, but I'm skeptical. |
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