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Tags | donald trump , James Comey , lying charges , Michael Flynn |
View Poll Results: Who do you believe, Trump or Comey? |
Trump, because he is a President of great integrity who would never lie. | 4 | 4.26% | |
Comey, the recently fired disgruntled employee. | 90 | 95.74% | |
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll |
19th May 2017, 08:06 AM | #1 |
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Who is telling the truth?
According to recent reports Comey was asked in a private meeting to back off the investigation of Michael Flynn and yesterday during a press conference Trump was asked if he did and Trump gave a definitive no.
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19th May 2017, 08:13 AM | #2 |
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The boy scout's word vs the feline grabber? Not a hard choice.
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19th May 2017, 08:14 AM | #3 |
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Comey. </thread>
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19th May 2017, 08:25 AM | #4 |
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I think the growing narrative is that 45 is a political neophyte and not a legal scholar (hah!), so he didn't know what he was doing might be wrong. And, anyway, he was joking.
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19th May 2017, 08:37 AM | #5 |
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Let's see, Comey documented the conversation and sent it to others right after it happened. So it is impossible that he's making this up to get revenge on Trump. The only way he isn't telling the truth is if he decided immediately after the conversation to write a memo documenting a version that didn't happen. Seems very far fetched to me.
Trump denying it means nothing to me. He lies all the time. If he did it, I would expect him to lie about it. |
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19th May 2017, 08:38 AM | #7 |
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Ha, ha- this is one of those trick joke questions, right? The survivors aren't buried? Apples don't fall from peach tress? Something like that?
If not, I'll vote the sane person. |
19th May 2017, 08:42 AM | #8 |
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Duh, Comey is telling the truth.
And the "recently fired disgruntled employee" is a red herring. Comey documented the encounter in his memo, and told about it to Wittes, before he was fired. |
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19th May 2017, 08:43 AM | #9 |
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What, no Planet X option ?
IMO, it's entirely possible that neither person is fully lying or telling the truth. I only know the two men from the media but my impression of Comey is that he will have accurately recorded the version of the truth that he heard and remembered but humans are fallible and anything he saw or heard, he did so through the lens of his own experience. For example he clearly thinks that Trump talking about Flynn being a good guy so could you please lay off was an attempt to influence the investigation. OTOH I think that Trump is a confabulist whose perception reality is significantly different to other people's. He seems to construct a narrative he is happy with and then goes with that rather than the truth. His recollection of the Flynn-cident may be that he was just thinking out loud or talking mano-a-mano and had no intention of trying to influence the investigation. That said, IMO Comey is the more reliable witness by several orders of magnitude. |
19th May 2017, 09:23 AM | #10 |
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What criteria do we use to decide who is telling the truth? Do previous statements that the President has made that have turned out to be false effect our trust?
Does it make a difference that Comey moments after the alleged incident wrote a mem-con (memo of conversation) detailing the conversation and sent it to his staff and others make his claim more believable? |
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19th May 2017, 09:25 AM | #11 |
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Glad you phrased it as "telling the truth." It's entirely possible that Trump has no memory of the event or has convinced himself that something totally different happened.
It would be therefore difficult to say he was a lying, a charge that implies the competence to form intent. |
19th May 2017, 09:27 AM | #12 |
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19th May 2017, 09:28 AM | #13 |
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Bayesian Statistics say Comey.
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19th May 2017, 09:31 AM | #16 |
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Supporting that, many observers note that FBI agents are trained to document everything, and their reports are generally considered reliable evidence in legal proceedings. I think the fact that Comey not only wrote his memos but shared them with colleagues at the time is decisive.
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19th May 2017, 09:35 AM | #17 |
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Trump is well known for being truthful, trustworthy and above all else a highly principled man. Of course he would never ever lie.
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Let's face it, any claim of Trump's comes with a presumption of dishonesty.
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I'm still waiting for an authoritative confirmation that Comey actually told Trump that he wasn't under investigation by the FBI. Trump said Comey had done so not just once but thrice.
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19th May 2017, 10:09 AM | #23 |
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To be honest, if we assume that Trump did what the Comey memo says he did and that was his excuse; I'd accept that as an excuse provided there was no real effect of him doing something so silly.
I'd bet that was what Comey was thinking as well at the time. "This is a funky thing to ask, but I don't think he actually understands he's not supposed to do that, and I don't think he actually intends to do anything. But lets keep a record of this just in case." <fast forward to his firing> "Holy S@&@ he was serious about getting me to stop this investigation!" |
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This is more where I fall on the spectrum. It was not an overt attempt to stifle or end the investigation, but was off-putting enough for Comey to want some documentation in case this behavior increased or became more specific/pronounced in future meetings.
I like the idea of subpoenaing all Comey's memos in regards to meetings with Trump, if there are any, to see if subsequent conversations touched on this subject. Not to mention having the entirety of this specific memo viewed by appropriate committees. |
19th May 2017, 10:23 AM | #26 |
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If Trump lies about dumb things like the size of his inauguration crowd, or his "landslide," how the **** can he be trusted not to lie about stuff that could get him removed from office?
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19th May 2017, 10:28 AM | #27 |
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Not just utter incompetence, but blind and corrupt allegiance and obedience to utter incompetent leadership is OK.
'Yes, we know your boss is a total incompetent fool who is likely to get us all killed but you owe the man your undying loyalty because 44 percent of Americans voted for him.' |
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I'm wondering if none of our right wing friends have seen this poll or if they are voting Comey, too.
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Can he be trusted not to lie about ...? Hell no.
Is he smart or knowledgeable enough to identify "stuff that could get him removed from office"? Also hell no. It's entirely possible that Trump will think up some "clever" lie that he thinks exonerates him completely, and he will be impeached because it's believed. |
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This poll you can trust. It's not like the others.
Come in a landslide! |
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