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22nd May 2017, 07:55 AM | #1 |
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What can Trump do to lose his supporters?
Reading lots of stuff about Trump and it made me think. Trump's hardcore supporters seem not to care about what Trump actually does.
Is there anything Trump can do to convince them to abandon their support? I am at a loss to think of anything. I'm guessing his hard care supporters are somewhere in the range of 25% given his current approval rating is at 38%. I am guessing that maybe 13% are committed conservatives giving him the benefit of the doubt. |
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22nd May 2017, 07:55 AM | #2 |
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Nothing. They're all retarded.
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22nd May 2017, 07:59 AM | #3 |
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Low energy Cuck Trump praising Islam may chip away at them...
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22nd May 2017, 08:01 AM | #5 |
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I talked with one such supporter in, naturally, a greasy spoon diner. The guy flew into a rage at one point (I was not poking his buttons, just listening). You have no idea how angry they are and will tag onto anything that isn't a god damned nation-backstabbing Democrat. They wanna bring in millions of these people "who spit on the floors in malls." You don't get it because your values are completely not in sync with theirs. What concerns you has nothing to do with what concerns them. He was very old, in his 80s, and a WWII vet. I felt sorry for him, as, from his point of view, he felt this nation was being turned over to the savagery they fought against, bringing it in hand over fist to roll over the voting block to stand against the very people who made the world safe for democracy. |
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22nd May 2017, 08:02 AM | #6 |
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Short of being caught in a three-way with Bill and Hillary Clinton, I doubt that there is much of anything that will dissuade the typical nut-job Trump supporter.
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22nd May 2017, 08:03 AM | #8 |
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Nothing, they are intent on ignoring all the scandals he generates on a daily basis, they never expected him to mean anything he said so when he changes his mind on anything it still fits.
Maybe when the Saudi's start owning most of our infrastructure? |
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22nd May 2017, 08:28 AM | #10 |
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Short of converting to Islam, not much will shake the true believers. They simple ignore anything they don't want to hear.
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22nd May 2017, 08:41 AM | #11 |
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22nd May 2017, 08:59 AM | #12 |
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I do have an idea how angry they are. I have close relatives who are strong Trump supporters. I just never talk politics with them because by and large they will be insulting and dismiss my opinion with a hand wave which gets us no where. They think I'm crazy and because I work in libraries I waste tax payers money.
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22nd May 2017, 09:19 AM | #13 |
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Switching parties.
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22nd May 2017, 09:32 AM | #14 |
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I think even the release of the alleged pee tape wouldn't take him down at this point.
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22nd May 2017, 09:34 AM | #15 |
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For the few I've interacted with at length: they don't know why, either.
They know things are bad, but can't explain exactly what it is that's bad. They know who is to blame, but can't explain why it's their fault. These are the people that vehemently reject everything tangentially related to "Obamacare", but like nearly every aspect of the Patient Protection and Affordable care Act. Often, they don't even know what reality is. They 'know' that unemployment is higher than it's ever been, even when all their friends have jobs. They 'know' that illegal immigrants are the cause of most crime, even when they haven't seen a single instance (and know several citizen felons). The conversations tend to be long on platitudes and short on evidence. The Donald is giving them what they understand: empty platitudes. Trying to fight that with specific facts is like holding water in a sieve. First your facts are simply dismissed because they don't agree with the platitude. Then, when the evidence is overwhelming, they just pretend facts are unimportant. Those facts are just 'special cases', single instances, but 'everybody knows' that the platitude is true the rest of the time. |
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22nd May 2017, 10:12 AM | #18 |
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Can you imagine what Alex Jones would have made of this if it was Obama instead of Trump in this image?
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22nd May 2017, 10:16 AM | #19 |
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Question is what percentage of people who voted for Trump are the hard core supporters,and how many did so with reservations and held their noses as they voted. I suspect the percentage of them who were the hardcore people into the Personality cult is not as great as a lot of people here think.
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22nd May 2017, 10:19 AM | #20 |
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He could change his name to Hillary and switch genders
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22nd May 2017, 10:27 AM | #23 |
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I can think of lots of things.
Embracing single payer healthcare. Tightening environmental regulation. Easing restrictions on immigration and providing citizenship to illegals. Raising taxes, especially on the rich. Increasing "handouts" to the poor. Apologizing to Obama for the whole birther thing, and to Hillary for the campaign. Converting to Judaism. Shooting someone on Fifth Avenue...no, wait, that one won't work. |
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22nd May 2017, 10:38 AM | #24 |
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Possibly IF he got them all in one place for a rally and ate a lot of Trumpf beef and castor oil, got in a helicopter, flew over them dropping his tirds on them a few might get annoyed or better.
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Nothing. There's nothing he can do to lose his supporters. That much is pretty clear at this point.
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My pro-Trump brother works for a quasi-governmental entity and pays $180/month to insure a family of 4. He's also managed to get his son on the payroll.
He has no idea of the realities of health-insurance costs for those who are not covered by an employer's group plan and/or not covered by Medicare. Betcha a $1200 premium would wake him up, but he's in a good place. |
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Will Trump voters who have become disillusioned with him all identify as former Trump voters when polled?
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Justifying?
He's done quite well so far. We look at the lefts temper tantrums as a huge road block, we're giving him time to get it going. We're used to the left throwing themselves to the ground with these tactics, Trump wasn't. If he doesn't get these major legislative issues accomplished, he will have hell to pay. So leftist know what they have to do, more tantrums, but they need to be spaectacular! |
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