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Old 21st October 2022, 12:30 PM   #2041
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The Quran clearly states that the earth is round. When you read the book in its entirety, it presents the picture indisputably with many verses.
No ! it bloody well doesn't. I have read that crappy book of nonsense all through three times.

QUOTE THE VERSES YOU CLAIM SAY THE EARTH IS ROUND.
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Old 23rd October 2022, 01:52 AM   #2042
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No ! it bloody well doesn't. I have read that crappy book of nonsense all through three times.

QUOTE THE VERSES YOU CLAIM SAY THE EARTH IS ROUND.
Isn't this issue moot anyway? Wasn't the fact that the Earth is round already pretty common knowledge by then?
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Old 23rd October 2022, 05:50 AM   #2043
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Isn't this issue moot anyway? Wasn't the fact that the Earth is round already pretty common knowledge by then?

Judging by the Quran, no.
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Judging by the Quran, no.
That's only because you don't understand how clear the Qur'an is about this.
"The earth is round and egg-shaped like a carpet."
See? Perfectly clear.
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Old 23rd October 2022, 05:49 PM   #2045
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Isn't this issue moot anyway? Wasn't the fact that the Earth is round already pretty common knowledge by then?
Aristotle in the 3rd Century BCE. And he did this without the benefit of an angel whispering in his ear.
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Old 24th October 2022, 11:01 AM   #2046
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By the way, as far as I know, I was the first in the world to do a full analysis of the inheritance verses. There is no avliye as the sects claim.

The Holy Qur'an gives the division of inheritance perfectly and there is no missing money. I have also published my work on the subject in this forum:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...18204#msg18204

Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
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Old 24th October 2022, 12:12 PM   #2047
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Yes, the Qur'an miraculously says that the earth resembles an egg in structure.
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No it does not.
And even if it did, an egg resembles the earth in structure the same way a blow up doll resembles [insert name of person you find most beautiful here]
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Old 24th October 2022, 12:40 PM   #2048
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
By the way, as far as I know, I was the first in the world to do a full analysis of the inheritance verses.
Not the topic at hand, and almost certainly not true.

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I have also published my work on the subject in this forum...
Stop trying to drive traffic to other web sites.

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Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here?
It has nothing to do with any of the topics you brought up and were being grilled on when you took a few days off and then came back to change the subject. We asked you questions regarding the shape of the Earth and your flagrantly strenuous interpretations of the Qur'an on that point. A lot of people have engaged you on that subject, and you're ignoring them.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
By the way, as far as I know, I was the first in the world to do a full analysis of the inheritance verses. There is no avliye as the sects claim.

The Holy Qur'an gives the division of inheritance perfectly and there is no missing money. I have also published my work on the subject in this forum:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...18204#msg18204

Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
I love how fringe resets are considered "civil" here.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
By the way, as far as I know, I was the first in the world to do a full analysis of the inheritance verses. There is no avliye as the sects claim.

The Holy Qur'an gives the division of inheritance perfectly and there is no missing money. I have also published my work on the subject in this forum:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...18204#msg18204

Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
Reported for being WAY off topic.
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Emre_1974tr, why should I believe a book that does not tell the truth?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
Where does it say the Quran is holy? Again, why do you call the Bible false when your Quran calls us Christians people of the book?
Why does your Quran call Jesus holy, but not Mohammed?
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Old 26th October 2022, 10:09 AM   #2053
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post

Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
lt does say that in your Quran, the women are allowed compensation by the path of prostitution if they wish to do so.
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Old 26th October 2022, 12:26 PM   #2054
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
By the way, as far as I know, I was the first in the world to do a full analysis of the inheritance verses. There is no avliye as the sects claim.

The Holy Qur'an gives the division of inheritance perfectly and there is no missing money. I have also published my work on the subject in this forum:

https://www.answering-christianity.c...18204#msg18204

Now you will say, what is the relevance of this to the topic here? The relevance is that in the false Bible women are given almost nothing in inheritance, whereas in the Holy Qur'an women also have a share in inheritance. So the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible that is on the market.
I find it quite amazing at how you continually try to use one fairy book to disprove another fairy book while continually failing to realize that what you are actually doing is showing to everyone just how incredibly wrong you are.
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Old 29th October 2022, 02:57 PM   #2055
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Quran abolished slavery:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...11645.0&fbclid

So, the Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran abolished slavery:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...11645.0&fbclid

So, the Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.
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Two rough estimates by scholars of the numbers of just one group - black slaves held over twelve centuries in the Muslim world - are 11.5 million and 14 million, while other estimates indicate a number between 12 and 15 million African slaves prior to the 20th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...e_Muslim_world
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Since it was ignored the first time.

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The Quran states the following provably wrong, non-subjective falsehoods in a non-parable way.

1. It describes a geocentric solar system.
2. Similar to the Bible is describes the Earth as being created is six days.
3. It describes the Earth as being created before the stars.
4. It states that 7 Earths exist.
5. It describes the Earth and Moon as the same size and same distance from Earth.
6. It claims the Moon generates its own light.
7. It decrees that followers follow rituals that make no sense if the length of a day is variable, such as it is at higher latitudes.
8. Humans are created from clay.
9. Human descending from a magically created original pair of humans.
10. Sperms comes from the backbone and ribs.
11. Embryos are formed entirely from the semen.
12. It describes the heart as a thinking organ like the brain.
13. How you are supposed to face toward Mecca makes no sense if the Earth is round.
14. It describes salt and fresh water as not mixing in nature.
15. It describes a massive wall of iron as existing in Biblical (or Quranian or whatever) times.
16. It tells of Crucifixion occurring in Egypt at the time of Moses.
17. It repeats the oft repeated Noah flood myth.
18. It has a description of humans being turned into apes as punishment for breaking the Sabbath.
19. The whole flying horse thing which is in the Quran and I don't know why you try to lie and say it doesn't.
20. The inheritance rules don't add up mathematically, even if you round the numbers off.
21. Apparently if you have bangs you're a liar.

These are not "interpretations" or parables or "colorful language" or metaphors or some ancient people's interpretations of anything. They are falsehoods and lies.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran abolished...
Run away, then change the subject again. Who are you trying to fool?
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Old 30th October 2022, 11:31 PM   #2059
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran abolished slavery:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...11645.0&fbclid

So, the Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.
Who is the Quran? Didn't the Muslims create the slavery?

And I'm sure you know who Shabir Ally is: He has difficulty explaining the holy spirit in the Quran; Lol

https://youtu.be/OvAUptG8Uew

Perhaps you can debate with Christian Prince about the Quran. He may even put the debate on Youtube just for the educational purpose alone.

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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran abolished slavery:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...11645.0&fbclid

So, the Holy Quran corrects the false Bible again.
This is yet another fine example of the absurd nonsense that is constantly being provided by 'Emre_1974tr'.

'Emre_1974tr' has often tried to use the writing in one fairy book to disprove the writings in another fairy book, and yet 'Emre_1974tr' continually refuses to realize the basic truth that he is dealing with fairy books.
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Peter Pan tells us we can use pixie dust to fly, but the Holy Harry Potter corrects the false Peter Pan and teaches us we need brooms to fly.
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I wish religions would start putting "Answer valid and reasonable question put before you and don't pretend you can't see them" in their Ten Commandments or equivalents.

But if intellectual honesty was the core part of a religion, it wouldn't be a religion.
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Since it was ignored the second time.

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The Quran states the following provably wrong, non-subjective falsehoods in a non-parable way.

1. It describes a geocentric solar system.
2. Similar to the Bible is describes the Earth as being created is six days.
3. It describes the Earth as being created before the stars.
4. It states that 7 Earths exist.
5. It describes the Earth and Moon as the same size and same distance from Earth.
6. It claims the Moon generates its own light.
7. It decrees that followers follow rituals that make no sense if the length of a day is variable, such as it is at higher latitudes.
8. Humans are created from clay.
9. Human descending from a magically created original pair of humans.
10. Sperms comes from the backbone and ribs.
11. Embryos are formed entirely from the semen.
12. It describes the heart as a thinking organ like the brain.
13. How you are supposed to face toward Mecca makes no sense if the Earth is round.
14. It describes salt and fresh water as not mixing in nature.
15. It describes a massive wall of iron as existing in Biblical (or Quranian or whatever) times.
16. It tells of Crucifixion occurring in Egypt at the time of Moses.
17. It repeats the oft repeated Noah flood myth.
18. It has a description of humans being turned into apes as punishment for breaking the Sabbath.
19. The whole flying horse thing which is in the Quran and I don't know why you try to lie and say it doesn't.
20. The inheritance rules don't add up mathematically, even if you round the numbers off.
21. Apparently if you have bangs you're a liar.

These are not "interpretations" or parables or "colorful language" or metaphors or some ancient people's interpretations of anything. They are falsehoods and lies.
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Holy Quran 3:59 The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him "Be" and he was.

Adam and his wife, as well as the other humans first created in paradise, were created directly, just like Jesus. They have no father and mother.

And the verses explains that the creation in the hereafter is also a creation without ancestors, and that people will be created directly.

Also, as I have shown in my article, some special people, such as martyrs and prophets, have already been created in Paradise/the Floor of God and have already started their eternal life:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611687.0

So Jesus and the other prophets are now living in the Hereafter Universe in the flesh.

In short, the situation of Adam and his wife, the situation of the other people created in paradise, and the situation of all the people created in the Hereafter Universe is like the situation of Jesus. They were created directly without ancestors and continue to be created. In other words, sexuality is not mediated in their creation.

And this ancestorless creation gives them no divinity. God creates as he wills. The creation of Jesus is just like any other example of creation without ancestors, there is no divinity in it.

Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.
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[b]....Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.
Emre,

Quite apart from the waste of time that is your ongoing attempt to convince a predominantly athiest forum that your magic book beats another magic book, I think (based on the highlighted), that you need better translation software, 'cos that makes no sense.

Look, you have your beliefs, and (going by your posting history here) you're sure of them. Well, OK, enjoy them, and the comfort they bring you. Just stop with the preaching stuff. It ain't your strong suit, and this is not a venue where you're going to make a lot of inroads with... well, any of the stuff you have posted to date.
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Holy Quran 3:59 The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him "Be" and he was.

Adam and his wife, as well as the other humans first created in paradise, were created directly, just like Jesus. They have no father and mother.
Answer this question: Please tell us who were the children of Adam and Eve, and who did they marry to have more children who are your direct ancestors?

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And the verses explains that the creation in the hereafter is also a creation without ancestors, and that people will be created directly.

Also, as I have shown in my article, some special people, such as martyrs and prophets, have already been created in Paradise/the Floor of God and have already started their eternal life:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611687.0

So Jesus and the other prophets are now living in the Hereafter Universe in the flesh.

In short, the situation of Adam and his wife, the situation of the other people created in paradise, and the situation of all the people created in the Hereafter Universe is like the situation of Jesus. They were created directly without ancestors and continue to be created. In other words, sexuality is not mediated in their creation.

And this ancestorless creation gives them no divinity. God creates as he wills. The creation of Jesus is just like any other example of creation without ancestors, there is no divinity in it.
You just contradicted yourself. If you don't realise this is nonsense then I hope there is someone who cleans up after you each day.

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No, you are simply spamming.
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Holy Quran 3:59 The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him "Be" and he was.

According to your Quran, the example of Jesus is not similar to that of Adam. Just ask Gabriel.
You don't really understand the meaning of divine, but that probably is because the Quran isn't a holy book.
Also, why did it take Allah 40 years to bring Adam into "BE"ing?

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Adam and his wife...
Yet another subject change. Yet another attempt to direct traffic to another web site.

This forum is populated chiefly with skeptics, and many of us are practicing scientists. When you try to show that the Qur'an accurately depicted centuries ago what comports with modern scientific theory, your grasp of science is simply insufficient. Trying to shoehorn scientific understanding into your pre-existing belief structure is painful to watch.

Further, a very large majority of the skeptics here are atheists. We literally don't care whether you can make a case that one religion's holy book is somehow better than another religion's holy book. Yes, we can address holy write as an academic topic, but you aren't willing to do that. You're trying to convert the unconvertible.
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And this ancestorless creation gives them no divinity. God creates as he wills. The creation of Jesus is just like any other example of creation without ancestors, there is no divinity in it.
Who is the author of the Injeel?
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Old 5th November 2022, 05:00 AM   #2070
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... Yet another attempt to direct traffic to another web site....
I don't think he is even pretending to have a serious discussion about his claims any longer. It is now just dung flinging and proselytizing. Might be best to just ignore him.
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Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.

If the Bible and Quran contradict each other, it doesnít mean that one is wrong and the other is correct.
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I don't think he is even pretending to have a serious discussion about his claims any longer. It is now just dung flinging and proselytizing. Might be best to just ignore him.
That is the definition of spamming, no?
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Answer this question: Please tell us who were the children of Adam and Eve, and who did they marry to have more children who are your direct ancestors?

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According to the Qur'an, humans other than Adam and his wife were created in paradise also.

Adam and his wife came down to earth earlier because they ate the forbidden fruit. Other people in paradise came here later. In short, more than two people were created in Paradise.

So already humans were created in our universe to be tested.

Thus the holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.

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Thus the holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.
No, it doesn't "correct" anything. It just tells a different version of a well-worn fable.
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According to the Qur'an, humans other than Adam and his wife were created in paradise.

Adam and his wife came down to earth earlier because they ate the forbidden fruit. Other people in paradise came here later. In short, more than two people were created in Paradise.

So already humans were created in our universe to be tested.

Thus the holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.
No it doesn't. Now you are just making things up.
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No it doesn't. Now you are just making things up.
Oh I don't know. It's not a far stretch from what is here:

Life on Earth Before Adam

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At-Tabari narrated in his Tafseer from Ibn ĎAbbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said:

The first ones to dwell on earth were the jinn, and they caused mischief therein, shedding blood and killing one another.

It was narrated from ar-RabeeĎ ibn Anas that he said:

Allah created the angels on Wednesday, and He created the jinn on Thursday and He created Adam on Friday. Then some of the jinn disbelieved, and the angels used to come down to earth to fight them, and there was bloodshed and corruption on earth.
Of course there is a possibility that they are both making it up.
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Oh I don't know. It's not a far stretch from what is here:

Life on Earth Before Adam



Of course there is a possibility that they are both making it up.

The silliness knows no limits.

Angels first, the jinns, and humans after.

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Allah created the angels on Wednesday, and He created the jinn on Thursday and He created Adam on Friday. Then some of the jinn disbelieved, and the angels used to come down to earth to fight them, and there was bloodshed and corruption on earth.
God, Allah, whoever, goes from creating angels to creating imperfect humans. It's a downward spiral. The creations are responsible for what they are go course - can't blame God can we?

As JayUtah astutely commented before, one has to wonder why Emre is persisting with this. Does he really think he will get converts as a result of his efforts?

Mind you I have been here many times with the faithful - mostly Christian. They think by throwing verse at you (those that know any), you will eventually be won over. When you point out the inconstancies and lack of logic, they say you do not understand. One must have faith first in order to understand.
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So already humans were created in our universe to be tested.

Thus the holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.
So who is the author of the Injeel?
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The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

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As JayUtah astutely commented before, one has to wonder why Emre is persisting with this. Does he really think he will get converts as a result of his efforts?
I think he uses our forum to boast on other forums how he is bashing the skeptics.

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When you point out the inconstancies and lack of logic, they say you do not understand. One must have faith first in order to understand.
On an extinct forum I once debated a Hare Krishna believer who told us that he belief was entirely logical, and he could prove it to anyone. You just had to spend two years in a Hare Krishna temple, and then you would be able to understand the logic.
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He's Jabba'ing. He's LARPing out a self-insert fan fiction story where he defeats the evil skeptics, he's just substituting the power of his witnessing for Jabba's "Patented Effective Debate Technique."
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