Merged: The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[sackett]

Seven than more be can universes of number the so. One than more means that expression an also is Arabic in seven word the way the by.

Let's hear Emre refute that!

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

...stated correctly that [the Sun] moved on to its destination.

Astronomically, what is the Sun's "destination?"

[Emre_1974tr]

and from my old answers:

"The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5)."

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

The highlighted parts are not stated in the text. They are your attempts to broaden the definition to make it seem as if the Qur'an has predicted a lately discovered scientific principle.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

No, an egg lying on its side is still a prolate spheroid. Changing its orientation does not change its shape. The Earth is an oblate spheroid. It is the opposite shape from an egg in any orientation.

The form doesn't change, your perspective changes. The direction of kurtosis shifts.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The form doesn't change, your perspective changes. The direction of kurtosis shifts.

Kurtosis is irrelevant to this discussion. It's a term from statistical probability. The English word you mean is "curvature."

Rotating a prolate spheroid so that the prolate axis is horizontal does not transform the shape into an oblate spheroid, even when the oblate axis remains vertical. Perspective does not correct your error. If the prolate axis (the major axis) is horizontal, then the semimajor horizontal axis remains unelongated, whereas the corresponding dimension in a prolate spheroid (with a vertical major axis) is elongated as compared to the prolateness. They are two different shapes, one the opposite of the other. They are not, and cannot be considered, equivalent.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The form doesn't change, your perspective changes. The direction of kurtosis shifts.

and from my old answers:

"Setting the sun is a folk expression. We Turks say "the sun is birthing" for the morning. This is also a folk saying. But in reality, the sun does not birth from the womb of its mother, it tells that the sun has started to rise, that is, it is morning. We say the sun is sinking into the sea, in Turkish. It is the evening that is described here."

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and from my old answers:

This has nothing to do with the post you quoted. I have explained in detail your error in spatial reasoning regarding the shape of the Earth. Please address that.

[junkshop]

Emre, I have to ask*, have you ever seen an egg?


_{*obviously I didn't have to ask, but I wanted to. Surely that's close enough?}

[Emre_1974tr]

and;

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...e71133f3941-lq

[junkshop]

and;

https://images.app.goo.gl/2Zd2okceteb32KLM9

[Emre_1974tr]

and;

https://www.canstockphoto.com/hands-...-34439565.html

[MarkCorrigan]

Emre what shape is the Earth?

[Emre_1974tr]

and;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi0DWk7mjMM

[MarkCorrigan]

Stop spamming and answer questions, if you can.

[MarkCorrigan]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi0DWk7mjMM

Did you even watch the video you linked to? It's talking about how the internal structure of an egg is similar to a simplified diagram of the internal structure of the Earth, and that if you crack the shell on a hard boiled egg the cracked shell can be used to represent the tectonic plates. They are expressly not claiming the Earth is egg shaped, which is what the laughable book of nonsense the Qu'ran says.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You're thinking of the egg standing upright. I'm telling you the egg is lying on its side.

Is it taking a nap then?

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and;

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...e71133f3941-lq

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and;

https://www.canstockphoto.com/hands-...-34439565.html

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi0DWk7mjMM

None of these address the problem I've raised with your spatial reasoning. I assume therefore that your spatial reasoning ability is insufficient to address my criticism.

[Emre_1974tr]

and from my old answers:

"Wrong translation. There is no testis/testicles expression there.

True translation: 86:7 From between the spine and the viscera., or 86:7 issuing from between the loins and the pelvic arch [of woman].

This verse about woman body (as "pelvic arch", has also the meaning of "ribs" or "arch of bones"; according to most of the authorities who have specialized in the etymology of rare Quranic expressions this term relates specifically to female anatomy (Taj al-'Arus).

86:6 He was created from water that spurts forth.
86:7 issuing from between the loins and the pelvic arch [of woman]./86:7 From between the spine and the viscera
86:8 For He is able to bring him back.

In other words, the event in this verse is not the male body, but the event that develops in the female body.

And there are 2 options here.

1- When we read these three verses in their entirety, God talking about the human being who comes out of the female body, that is, born.

or

2- Mention of fluid in the female body(Amniotic Fluid):

https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/amniotic_fluid.html "

[Emre_1974tr]

and from my old answers:

"Noah's Flood was regional and targeted at one community

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611988.0 "

[Skeptic General]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You're thinking of the egg standing upright. I'm telling you the egg is lying on its side.

Does it say in Quran that the "egg" is laying on its side ?

[Emre_1974tr]

And from my old answers;

"Joshua was Jesus

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.

The Yusha/Joshua mentioned in the False Torah(hadith book) is actually Isa/Jesus.

I showed this in my Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2018/...-ve-harun.html


I said that Jesus/Joshua is the nephew of Moses and he lived in much older times than your think. And he was born in Ancient Egypt..

The pharaohons had a culture of cross-hands and feet. (and cutting theme with X shape/crosswise).

The stories of Osiris and Horus were inspired by the life of Jesus. Because Jesus lived in an age before.

Unfortunately, people always do what they do. They paganized the life story of the Prophet. Christianity was also created based on this story after centuries."

[MarkCorrigan]

Stop quoting yourself and answer the questions people have put to you.

[Skeptic General]

He's at the pinnacle of Islamic intellectual dishonesty.
I've never seen so much dishonesty about the Arabic language.
This guy can't even ask the time of the day in Arabic and he's making claims in the language that the oldest scholars of Arabic language and Quranic interpretations didn't.

And Quran is holy only for those who think 2500 years ago ants could gain intelligence about an approaching army and it's leaders.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and from my old answers...

We know what your claims are. They have been challenged. Repeating them does not answer those challenges, but it does suggest that you have no interest in actual discussion and are just spamming Islamic propaganda.

I have challenged your claim that the Qur'an "correctly" says the Earth is egg-shaped. I have explained thoroughly the error you have made in comparing shapes. Your answers are insufficient. Do you care to fix that?

[Skeptic General]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

We know what your claims are. They have been challenged. Repeating them does not answer those challenges, but it does suggest that you have no interest in actual discussion and are just spamming Islamic propaganda.

I have challenged your claim that the Qur'an "correctly" says the Earth is egg-shaped. I have explained thoroughly the error you have made in comparing shapes. Your answers are insufficient. Do you care to fix that?

It's not even "Islamic" propaganda.
Most Muslims that don't agree with his claims and interpretations of Quran. He can't even convince devout Muslims with these. He's trying to satisfy his ego here. And on that he's falling miserably.

[psionl0]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

No, the exact opposite of an egg. Eggs are prolate.

If that were true then Lilliputians would have had nothing to argue about since both ends would be the same size.

[Emre_1974tr]

and from my old answers, about ants:

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You don't know because you haven't read the entire Quran carefully.

Solomon's army consisted not only of humans, but also of jinn and birds.

Prophet Solomon is in communication with birds, jinn and even mountains. In other words, nature/all living things know it closely. The name/fame of himself and his army was in the language of all animals at that time.

By the way, the Qur'an states that all living things, with the exception of some people, constantly remember Allah.

In short, if we decipher the language of insects, animals and all nature with technology, you will see that they know a lot. Especially they know much more than you.

[Emre_1974tr]

and my other answer:

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Just the opposite. Science has once again proven that the holy Qur'an is right. Ants speak aloud, and this has just been discovered. Previously, it was thought that they only communicated with hormones.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...ts-are-talking

Sounds of ants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYdwdu3J5CA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Couu-KZ7O1c

[Emre_1974tr]

In short, I have answered all these questions many times and you have ignored them. And now you shamelessly ask the same questions over and over again, and you don't read what was written in the past.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and from my old answers:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion.

The Quran says the sun orbits the earth and the destination it speaks of is under the flat earth where the sun is reset to its starting point every dawn.

I have proved this recently on the thread. 'The supernatural part 2'

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

and from my old answers:

"The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5)."

Utter trash! You yourself have quoted a verse that says the heaven and earth were created in six days. It says this many times and it is obviously stealing the six day creation myth from the bible. The actual truth is that both the quran and the bible say one of Gods days is as a thousand years to us.
Therefore both books are saying the heaven and earth were created in six thousand years.

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

I have proved this recently on the thread.t 2'

No, on the contrary. I have proved and shown you many times that you are wrong and you could not even answer me. But after a certain period of silence, you start repeating the same lies I have refuted, like a robot. Such parrot repetition is your missionary work.

[Hellbound]

Let me see if I can help JayUtah explain. I did a simple line drawing to show the differences between the earths shape and an egg on its side.



The lines are “cuts” through the x-axis , y-axis, and x-axis respectively.


Sent from my volcanic island lair using carrier pigeon.

[JoeMorgue]

So dumb question.

Why did the all knowing omnipotent God not just go "The Earth is sphere" instead of going "The Earth is egg shaped if you look at a specific planer section of it from a specific angle?"

[Hellbound]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

So dumb question.

Why did the all knowing omnipotent God not just go "The Earth is sphere" instead of going "The Earth is egg shaped if you look at a specific planer section of it from a specific angle?"

Even then it’s not really egg shaped. The egg is asymmetrical, the earth is not.


Sent from my volcanic island lair using carrier pigeon.

[JoeMorgue]

Yeah I know but we're not going to get an explanation of why it's wrong, he's in way too deep for that. I'm trying to see if I can at least get an explanation of why even if it is right God decided to phrase it the stupidest way possible.

How come God's omnipotence never seems to include the most basic concepts of "efficient language?"

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

In short, I have answered all these questions many times and you have ignored them. And now you shamelessly ask the same questions over and over again, and you don't read what was written in the past.

Utterly false. You're simply repeating your past claims as if no answers have been given. You're either unwilling or capable of understanding the answers you've been given, and therefore not capable of having a discussion about them. You don't even read your sources in some cases.

In this post I explained in detail why turning the egg on its side does not change its shape to conform to the known shape of the Earth. It was clear enough that other posters were able to draw you pictures showing your error.

In another post I identified where you tried to recast "day" to mean something else. You didn't respond at all to it.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah I know but we're not going to get an explanation of why it's wrong, he's in way too deep for that.

I think he literally doesn't understand why he's wrong. Yes, he's in deep on the big picture of trying to prove the Qur'an is scientifically correct. But I don't think he understands the geometry. The clincher for me was when he posted a picture of the gibbous Earth as seen from an outbound spacecraft and called it egg-shaped.

[Emre_1974tr]

Indeed, like God says that our world is like an egg, both in outward appearance and in internal structure.

By the way, verses states also that the universes are spherical.

Quran 55:33

O society of jinn and humans! If you can escape the diameters of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and escape. But you will not escape except with authorization.

https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/sh..._universe.html