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Old 11th August 2019, 12:21 PM   #561
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This looks to be the government's strategy, as reported by the GRAUNIAD:

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The government has moved to rescue British Steel with a financial support package worth as much as £300m that ministers believe will be enough to secure backing from a private bidder.

It is understood that the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) has agreed to substantially increase support to bidders for British Steel, which employs more than 4,000 people, after months of wrangling following the company’s collapse into administration.

The rescue package will include beefed-up grants, indemnities and loans that could be worth as much as £300m, according to sources quoted by Sky News.
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The Turkish fund has offered to invest between £60m and £70m to take control of British Steel, according to sources.

Insiders told Sky News the funding would satisfy EU state aid rules, which Theresa May’s administration claimed prevented ministers from providing support to British Steel before it collapsed into insolvency in May.
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Old 11th August 2019, 12:23 PM   #562
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Everybody's turning Irish:

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Number of applications for Irish passports from NI & GB continue to soar.

From GB
��2014: 5,672
��First 6 months of 2019: 31,099

From NI
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��first 6 months of 2019: 47,645
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Old 11th August 2019, 12:35 PM   #563
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In a revelation that will probably surprise no-one Dominic Cummings, BoJo's crony and Brexit enforcer is a hypocrite.
Has there ever been a politician who wasn't?
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Old 11th August 2019, 03:12 PM   #564
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Has there ever been a politician who wasn't?

See my sig.

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Okay, so maybe 10% is a bit high.

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Old 11th August 2019, 03:28 PM   #565
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
This looks to be the government's strategy, as reported by the GRAUNIAD:
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The Turkish fund has offered to invest between £60m and £70m to take control of British Steel, according to sources.
Wait, didn't the Leave side claim seventy million would be heading this way from Turkey if we remained in the EU?

Or was that something else?
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Old 11th August 2019, 06:37 PM   #566
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Britons have spent £4bn stockpiling goods in preparation for a possible no-deal Brexit, new research suggests.

One in five people are already hoarding food, drinks and medicine, spending an extra £380 each, according to a survey by the finance provider Premium Credit. The survey found that about 800,000 people have spent more than £1,000 building up stockpiles before the 31 October Brexit deadline.

If the UK leaves with no deal, businesses predict there will be short-term supply problems, which the government says it is mitigating.

Similar research in the weeks leading up to the original deadline for the UK to leave the EU found that about 17% of the population had spent some money building up supplies, with a total stockpile spend calculated at £4.6bn ahead of the 31 March deadline.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

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Glad to see this thread is now called "Brexit . . . balls-up"
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I see "tariffs and their effect on smuggling" can be added to the list of things some people don't understand.
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Old 12th August 2019, 02:40 AM   #569
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
If a firm is no longer an ongoing (profitable) concern it is legally obliged to wind up.

Banks aren't going to risk handing out loans except at high interest, which won't help a struggling firm.

The government is hardly going to give a loan to a firm that will struggle to pay it back when public funds are short already.

I expect the names of the companies on the 'secret list' are former nationalised industries, such as steel, railways and energy. May as well re-nationalise them if they are to receive subsidisation by the state (=the taxpayer).
Missing the point. Operation Kingfisher is not "Secret plans to put British firms into administration after a no-deal Brexit," as you described it; it is in fact a secret plan to assist British firms that are forced into administration by economic conditions resulting from Brexit.

Since we know that:
  • Brexit will involve no downside, only a considerable upside;
  • Any suggestion otherwise is disinformation generated by Project Fear;
  • Multiple companies going into administration is clearly a downside; and,
  • Michael Gove has announced this scheme;
Does that mean that we must now consider Michael Gove to be part of Project Fear?

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Old 12th August 2019, 09:44 AM   #570
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Missing the point. Operation Kingfisher is not "Secret plans to put British firms into administration after a no-deal Brexit," as you described it; it is in fact a secret plan to assist British firms that are forced into administration by economic conditions resulting from Brexit.

Since we know that:
  • Brexit will involve no downside, only a considerable upside;
  • Any suggestion otherwise is disinformation generated by Project Fear;
  • Multiple companies going into administration is clearly a downside; and,
  • Michael Gove has announced this scheme;
Does that mean that we must now consider Michael Gove to be part of Project Fear?

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Him being in charge of anything certainly scares me
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Old 12th August 2019, 12:34 PM   #571
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Business groups hit back over £36k migrant salary proposals

Priti Patel is getting an earful from all sides on this issue, it seems.
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Old 12th August 2019, 02:15 PM   #572
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Has there ever been a politician who wasn't?
Cummings is an "advisor," not an elected politician.
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Old 12th August 2019, 05:44 PM   #573
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Business groups hit back over £36k migrant salary proposals

Priti Patel is getting an earful from all sides on this issue, it seems.

From the link;
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A spokesperson for Khan said: “Far from raising the minimum salary threshold, the Mayor believes the government should instead be lowering it to £21,000 and welcoming the skilled migration that London, and the rest of the country, will desperately need post-Brexit.”

What kind of skills will a £21,000 salary attract in London?
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Old 12th August 2019, 10:28 PM   #574
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From the link;

What kind of skills will a £21,000 salary attract in London?
Nurses for one.

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK...82c8064/London

There is zero justification for the 36k figure. nor the ten grand it costs to get residency.
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Old 12th August 2019, 11:05 PM   #575
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK, on a sector by sector basis.

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The UK is "first in line" for a trade deal with the US, President Trump's National Security Adviser has said.

John Bolton said the US supported a no-deal Brexit and added that Washington would propose an accelerated series of trade deals.

According to Mr Bolton, deals could be done on a "sector-by-sector" basis, with an agreement on manufacturing being agreed first.

His comments came after meeting Prime Minister Boris Johnson at No 10.

According to Mr Bolton, a bilateral agreement or "series of agreements" could be carved out "very quickly, very straight-forwardly".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

Of course it will be quick and straight-forward if the UK simply accepts whatever terms the US offers
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Old 12th August 2019, 11:06 PM   #576
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From the link;

What kind of skills will a £21,000 salary attract in London?
Is that the London minimum living wage ?
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK, on a sector by sector basis.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

Of course it will be quick and straight-forward if the UK simply accepts whatever terms the US offers
I thought a free trade agreement was just that. Where does line by line come into it?
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Old 12th August 2019, 11:47 PM   #578
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Missing the point. Operation Kingfisher is not "Secret plans to put British firms into administration after a no-deal Brexit," as you described it; it is in fact a secret plan to assist British firms that are forced into administration by economic conditions resulting from Brexit.

Since we know that:
  • Brexit will involve no downside, only a considerable upside;
  • Any suggestion otherwise is disinformation generated by Project Fear;
  • Multiple companies going into administration is clearly a downside; and,
  • Michael Gove has announced this scheme;
Does that mean that we must now consider Michael Gove to be part of Project Fear?

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What does it mean, "to be put under administration"? Government taking control of a firm on a temporary basis?

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Old 12th August 2019, 11:52 PM   #579
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What does it mean, "to be put under administration"? Government taking control of a firm on a temporary basis?

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No, an external administrator, typically someone with an accountancy background, is appointed to keep the business going until either an agreement can be made with the firm's creditors; which would allow the company to keep going as an ongoing concern; or for the business to be wound up and the maximum amount of money returned to creditors.

Entering administration isn't necessarily the death knell for a business but it's also not business as normal either.

https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guid...dministration/
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
From the link;

What kind of skills will a £21,000 salary attract in London?
There are lots of skilled roles in the NHS, civil service, education, etc., the starting salaries of which are between £21,000 and the current £36,000 threshold, even with a London uplift.
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK, on a sector by sector basis.
If John Bolton said it was raining, I would have to look out the window to check.
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Is that the London minimum living wage ?
The London Living Wage is £10.55 an hour, so £20,300 a year. It is, of course, only voluntary.

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No, that's £9.15 an hour, so around £17,600 a year.
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This site had a higher figure, hence my mistake:

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The London Living Wage is currently £10.55 per hour. This covers all boroughs in Greater London.
https://www.livingwage.org.uk/calculation
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK, on a sector by sector basis.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

Of course it will be quick and straight-forward if the UK simply accepts whatever terms the US offers
This gives just 12 months to finalise before the election, where Ladbrokes for example see the race between Republicans and Democrats dead even at 10 to 11 each side.
What is the prognosis for trade deals with the Democrats?
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK, on a sector by sector basis.
So is NZ, according to Jacinda, who spoke to Johnson yesterday.

Looks like a free trade lolly scramble.

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Nurses for one.

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK...82c8064/London

There is zero justification for the 36k figure. nor the ten grand it costs to get residency.


Your RNs get paid minimum wage?
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According to John Bolton, who met with Boris Johnson yesterday, the UK will definitely get a brilliant trade deal with the UK,
I realise that was a typo, but I suspect that's the only good trade deal the UK's going to get.

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Him being in charge of anything certainly scares me
Me too. Gove lacks the utter incompetence that's the saving grace of the rest.

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Your RNs get paid minimum wage?
Minimum wage is £8.21 an hour.

The lowest pay rate for nursing staff is £9.03.

A qualified nurse would typically be in band 5 where the starting rate is £12.39 an hour.

https://www.nhsemployers.org/pay-pen...-scales/hourly

IIRC, nurses in the UK are poorly paid in comparison to nurses in the US, and indeed are just poorly paid but they do earn more than minimum wage and almost all earn significantly more.
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No, they get paid upwards of 21k a year as the link showed.

UK minimum wage is about 15k
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IIRC, nurses in the UK are poorly paid in comparison to nurses in the US, and indeed are just poorly paid but they do earn more than minimum wage and almost all earn significantly more.

So it would seem. The national average for RNs in the US is around $73,000, which seems to be the equivalent of about £65,000. The average in large urban areas is significantly higher which reflects the higher CoL.

And they're worth every penny of it.
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If John Bolton said it was raining, I would have to look out the window to check.
It's also been pointed out that the UK has announced its going to impose zero tariffs on most products, so there's little incentive for agreements- according to the radio this morning, Canada has doesn't wantbto roll over the EU agreement as it would get everything it wants from WTO trade with the UK.
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It's also been pointed out that the UK has announced its going to impose zero tariffs on most products, so there's little incentive for agreements- according to the radio this morning, Canada has doesn't wantbto roll over the EU agreement as it would get everything it wants from WTO trade with the UK.
UK industry will be thrilled with that, facing export tariffs which will tend to make UK goods and services less affordable abroad (and that's not even taking into account non-tariff barriers) whilst allowing goods to flow into the UK tariff free.
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No, an external administrator, typically someone with an accountancy background, is appointed to keep the business going until either an agreement can be made with the firm's creditors; which would allow the company to keep going as an ongoing concern; or for the business to be wound up and the maximum amount of money returned to creditors.

Entering administration isn't necessarily the death knell for a business but it's also not business as normal either.

https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guid...dministration/
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The phrase "isn't necessarily the death knell for a business" inspires such confidence in me. How could something that might not be the death knell be bad?

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What is the prognosis for trade deals with the Democrats?
Approximately a trade embargo for the UK until the Irish border is open.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-nancy-pelosi

It turns out the Irish-americans are a large enough voting block that cares enough for Ireland for this to be a net vote winner. The trade deal has to go through the House of Representatives, meaning unless the GFA is not weakned by Brexit, there will be no deal with the US.

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Approximately a trade embargo for the UK until the Irish border is open.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-nancy-pelosi

It turns out the Irish-americans are a large enough voting block that cares enough for Ireland for this to be a net vote winner.

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Are they a particularly Democratic, rather than Republican, voting block? If they play as significant a role in electing Republicans then the Trump administration may do a sudden about-face to the same position. (Of course, if they form no part of Trump's core support, then they can go to hell in a handbasket for all he cares.)

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Old 13th August 2019, 02:27 AM   #597
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Are they a particularly Democratic, rather than Republican, voting block? If they play as significant a role in electing Republicans then the Trump administration may do a sudden about-face to the same position. (Of course, if they form no part of Trump's core support, then they can go to hell in a handbasket for all he cares.)

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Any trade deal has to make it through Congress.

No matter what President Trump and his administration may think about the necessity to get the Irish vote, Senator and members of the house from both parties do need it and so they cannot afford to antagonise the Irish lobby.
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Are they a particularly Democratic, rather than Republican, voting block? If they play as significant a role in electing Republicans then the Trump administration may do a sudden about-face to the same position. (Of course, if they form no part of Trump's core support, then they can go to hell in a handbasket for all he cares.)

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They apparently do form a surprisingly large part of Trump's inner core of advisors, but trend Democrat nation-wide.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...acts-1.3104336

Irish Americans figure prominently among President Donald Trump’s advisers, as they do among Republican leaders and (now former) Fox News hosts.

and

Political perspectives trended broadly towards Democrat/liberal. In the 2016 presidential election, 92 per cent of respondents voted: 47 per cent voted for Clinton, 27 per cent for Trump, and 20 per cent refused to indicate their vote. More generally, 41 per cent signified as Democrat while 23 per cent selected Republican. The preferred news sources were more liberal than conservative; for example, of those who got their news from television, 45 per cent used NBC while 36 per cent used Fox.

So ... yes to both maybe? Two negatives cancel out, right?

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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Any trade deal has to make it through Congress.

No matter what President Trump and his administration may think about the necessity to get the Irish vote, Senator and members of the house from both parties do need it and so they cannot afford to antagonise the Irish lobby.
This doesn't seem to get brought up much, but as far as I can see the US will not be ratifying trade deals with anyone until the president , and the majority of the house and senate are from the same party. It doesn't look too likely that this will happen in the 2020 election, so 2023 would be the next possibility.
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Any trade deal has to make it through Congress.

No matter what President Trump and his administration may think about the necessity to get the Irish vote, Senator and members of the house from both parties do need it and so they cannot afford to antagonise the Irish lobby.
Well, then, since there's no possibility that Trump would promise anything he couldn't deliver, or if he did, that Johnson would be taken in by it, no doubt that'll make sure HMG doesn't go for the no-deal option, because it would be economic suicide.

Yeah. Right.

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