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Old 12th September 2019, 07:39 PM   #641
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It's "the man" keepin' me down
Well, I'm sure god will richly reward you for your martyrdom.
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Old 12th September 2019, 07:45 PM   #642
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I've got a new argument for the final panel (I edited in up above):

If what matters is if the wave changes state while alive. Placing a detector in the path is just one of several avenues to cause observation (state change). Observation can be equated to state change now.

A wave changing state from a detector must be different than a wave collapsing on the final panel!

aka ..F your final panel ..it's the death of the wave

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Old 12th September 2019, 07:51 PM   #643
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Thumbs down A "new argument" fantasy when all he wrote was more vague fantasy

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I've got a new argument ...
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "new argument" fantasy when all he wrote was more vague fantasy
With an "alive" fantasy - a wave is not a living thing!
And "changes state" ignorance. A wave has no "state", it has continuous properties not discreet properties.
Plus: Idiocy that a detector is not a detector! The screen that detects particles in the double slit experiment is a detector. We can put that screen "in the path" as "one of several avenues to cause observation" as he puts it. The screen is blatantly a detector.

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Old 12th September 2019, 08:08 PM   #644
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
I've got a new argument for the final panel (I edited in up above):

If what matters is if the wave changes state while alive. Placing a detector in the path is just one of several avenues to cause observation (state change). Observation can be equated to state change now.

A wave changing state from a detector must be different than a wave collapsing on the final panel!

aka ..F your final panel
Do you have an argument that applies to any actual quantum physics?
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:17 PM   #645
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Oh, you are saying the final panel doesn't matter. YAY!
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:32 PM   #646
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Thumbs down A "Oh, you are saying the final panel doesn't matter." lie

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Oh, you are saying the final panel doesn't matter. YAY!
13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "Oh, you are saying the final panel doesn't matter." lie

The last post is not about the double slit experiment screen.
My post of 13 September 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "new argument" fantasy when all he wrote was more vague fantasy plus detectors delusion clearly states that the screen is a detector and is essential for detecting particles ! The fact that the screen can be moved anywhere in the apparatus to detect particles emphasizes that it is a detector. ETA: The screen is a detector that gives us ether an interference pattern or 2 bands. It matters. What also matters in the double slit experiment is whether the silts are observed or not because that produces the results we see.

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Old 12th September 2019, 08:47 PM   #647
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Oh, you are saying the final panel doesn't matter. YAY!
It is what I have been saying over and over for many pages.

I have been asking you for ages why you think it ought to matter and for what.

You think you have "killed" something based on your misunderstanding of the double-slit experiment. A misunderstanding which has been pointed out to you time and time again.

Remember the last time this was pointed out to you, you said "Jesus, I give up". Remember?

The back panel is there to detect the particles. That is all

The probability that a particle would be in that particular location is not changed by the fact of the back panel.

There might be variants of the experiment where the back panel does have an effect on the probability that the particle will be at a particular place. But not this one.
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:48 PM   #648
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You keep on saying "the back panel doesn't matter" without you having the slightest idea of what this is supposed to prove.
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:50 PM   #649
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So please try to explain. What is "the back panel doesn't matter" supposed to prove?
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:51 PM   #650
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
You are crossing the line to troll now
It seems a pretty harmless and uncontroversial question.
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Old 12th September 2019, 09:07 PM   #651
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
It's "the man" keepin' me down
Do you have a link to the paper you tried to upload to arXiv. Can you describe your experience when you tried to upload it?
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Old 12th September 2019, 09:53 PM   #652
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I had never thought it possible.
A theory that make the Electric Universe seems well worked out and coherent, but here it is.

I wonder why people who are unable to do maths always seem to think you can do science without it.
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Old 12th September 2019, 10:30 PM   #653
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser
I wonder why people who are unable to do maths always seem to think you can do science without it.
He's had divine inspiration .....as he posted on another forum.

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Is god a physical object or a wave?
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God is able to exist in both
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At the same time? Or at different times
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It created spacetime, it can do whatever the f it wants..... We don't have another reason for spacetime to exist.......The purpose of spacetime is life. At the very least, god wanted life to be a thing..
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Interesting. I wonder why Joe didn't take the religious approach here.
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Old 13th September 2019, 02:50 AM   #655
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Yes, they are false, I killed them, see previous comments
I have sen your previous comments: no actual flaw has been found in physics, only your dislike of it. By a flaw, we mean something that does not work

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I'd like to know why you think spacetime is here. That's only part of my theory anyways. You don't get to handwave everything just because of this.
Physics does not answer "why" questions. For the "why", you need to turn to philosophy, or religion.

Personally, I do not care why spacetime is here, I just note that it is.
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Old 13th September 2019, 05:17 AM   #656
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You think you have "killed" something based on your misunderstanding of the double-slit experiment. A misunderstanding which has been pointed out to you time and time again.
What am I misunderstanding? I take great offense to this. I know the double slit inside n out.

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You keep on saying "the back panel doesn't matter" without you having the slightest idea of what this is supposed to prove.
It kills uncertainty. Uncertainty involves waves. My theory says a particle is not physical and waves at the same time, uncertainty does. You have to use the back panel in an uncertainty experiment. Fringes mean a wave was involved and the particles were not observed during its life.

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Old 13th September 2019, 05:25 AM   #657
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Interesting. I wonder why Joe didn't take the religious approach here.
I am the second coming. I didn't want to be a name dropper.
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I am the second coming. I didn't want to be a name dropper.
That's too long to be a decent band name.
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Old 13th September 2019, 05:37 AM   #659
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Why do physics crackpots always think that they don't need mathematics to reshape the laws of physics, that a bit of intuition, mysticism and word salad will do?

It's a cargo cult version of theoretical physics.
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I'm upgrading my theory as this thread is moving along. I'm now questioning if it's even necessary to declare observation is involved in the double slit. It's accepted that observation means measurement ..but all the experiment cares about is a waves state change while its alive.
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How would you know whether or not a state change occurred without observation? How would one design an experiment without measurement?
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Observation would just be something that occurred after the experiment was over.

I think a polarizer isn't measuring anything.

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If I didn't just blow everyone's minds right now ..are you even paying attention?
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Old 13th September 2019, 06:14 AM   #664
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Again: spouting word salad and patting yourself on the back isn't impressing anyone.
Physics doesn't consist of stringing brain farts together until they feel nice.
Show us your formulas, your calculations and experimental designs if you want to impress someone.

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Observation would just be something that occurred after the experiment was over.
Thus making it part of the experiment...

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It isn't word salad. It means something.
Edited by kmortis:  1) Removed to comply with Rule 0, 10, & 12; 2) In the future, just type out bad words and let the autocensor deal with them.



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ETA:

Thus making it part of the experiment...
You're reaching. It didn't have anything to do with the outcome.

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Sure, just like "I can build the tallest skyscraper in the world with nothing but mud bricks" means something.
But architects and engineers will ask to see my designs and calculations before they accept that I really can. They won't throw money at me for being an obvious genius.
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You act like no one is interested in what is really going on during the experiment.
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You don't appear to be interested, since you refuse to do the math...
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I don't need math to point out the obvious
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Sure, common sense intuitive solutions and an aversion to math are fundamental attributes of quantum mechanics.
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I agree, everyone is better off if they don't know about this.

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If I didn't just blow everyone's minds right now ..are you even paying attention?
I told you the polariser isn't measuring anything a while back. Am I supposed to have my mind blown by you repeating back something I said?
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oh, you knew my theory before I did, cool
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oh, you knew my theory before I did, cool
We have seen your schtick before as well.

Poster: "Behold my genius!"

Questioner: "How did you get there?"

Poster: "If you think I'll explain my genius to the likes of you..."
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Oh, you are asking me to dumb it down for you. Let me get right on that.
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It's already more than dumb enough for us, we need you to intelligent it up.
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oh, you knew my theory before I did, cool
It is just a commonplace fact about what a polariser does.
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It is not currently accepted that a polariser isn't observation.
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It is not currently accepted that a polariser isn't observation.
Yes it is. Because all the particles that are observed by the polariser are the ones that interacted with it and got stopped. A particle that got through didn't interact with the filter so by definition was undetected by it.
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oh so you believe observation isn't involved in the double slit all of a sudden. cool

Those stopped particles died.

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