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Old 11th February 2019, 12:55 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Wonder234 View Post
How a mind can exist without a brain is a tough problem and may take a while to figure out.
Sorry brother. Doesnít take that long. A mind canít exist without a brain ...and done
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:01 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
This is what happens when you try to use logic or science to prove a religious proposition.

It it were that easy then you wouldn't need faith.
Fantastic and well said
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Old 11th February 2019, 11:28 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Wonder234
a living body is no better than a dead one when it comes to free will. The they both essentially lack personhood due to just being a substance like a rock. That free will must ultimately come from things that are people and that thus, to have free will a body must have a soul.
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How a mind can exist without a brain is a tough problem and may take a while to figure out.
To paraphrase both these statements:

"I don't know how minds can be an emergent property of matter therefore it isn't true and minds exist independently of matter"

"I also don't know how minds can exist independently of matter, but it's true anyway."

You've just declared both mind being an emergent property of matter and mind arising independently of matter to be very problematic, yet you've just declared the first one false and the second one true even though you've got no actual argument favour one over the other and that your entire argument supposedly depends upon!

Where's your argument that mind existing independently of matter is such a superior proposition that you declare it true over mind existing as an emergent property of matter?

This is what happens when you cobble together a terrible argument that you then ad hoc try and patch up when it becomes apparent it's full of gaping holes.

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Old 11th February 2019, 03:33 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
I see no problem with the idea that there could be something that exists but never began to exist.
Do you have any problem applying that idea to The Universe?

If you do, why?

If not, then no creator required.
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