[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks... - Page 90

The Don · Yesterday, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by GlennB

On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read:

In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.”

“Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29.

That's great news

. If only the British government were that decisive and farsighted......

Nessie · Yesterday, 01:46 PM

Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.

Dr. Keith · Yesterday, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read:

In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.”

“Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29.

Glad to hear that. I was worried about your situation.

[crosses Greece off the list of post Brexit vacation deals]

Lothian · Today, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.

They have also been warning about the negative effects of Brexit in the run up to the decision.
I think they are concerned that brexit is an emotional issue.. Explain how Brexit makes it uneconomic to continue in the UK and that damages the brexiteer's arguments which in turn hurts them personally if they are invested in the brexit position. That could lead to resentment against Honda which in turn could lead to a drop in sales. No business wants to put off customers, best to blame it on something else.

Nessie · Today, 03:12 AM

Businesses need to be in their biggest markets. Many businesses which had a HQ for the EU in the UK will need to move. Many UK businesses will need to set up a HQ in the EU, which will probably reduce the size of the UK HQ.

GnaGnaMan · Today, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.

Quote:

Japanese carmaker Honda cannot afford the 10 percent export tariff that would be imposed on its British-built cars if Britain had to return to World Trade Organization rules after Brexit, it said on Thursday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com

Wudang · Today, 05:35 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llen-wollaston

Quote:

Three Conservative MPs – Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen – have quit the party to join the Independent Group founded by former Labour MPs.

In a devastating critique of Theresa May’s handling of the Brexit negotiations, the three MPs said the Tories had lurched to the right, adopting Ukip policies and pursuing a hard Brexit.

Information Analyst · Today, 06:05 AM

It's good that they've said straight that the Tory party is in thrall to the DUP and ERG.

Lothian · Today, 06:47 AM

Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP?
If not it can't take too many more.

Dave Rogers · Today, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP?
If not it can't take too many more.

The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

Dave

angrysoba · Today, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I think some of this group have said they want other MPs from Labour and other parties to join them. The only other possible party they could join from are the Tories, as the SNP and Lib Dems are already solidly anti-Brexit, the Greens have one MP, etc... and I am pretty sure no Tory would join them.

Originally Posted by Wudang

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llen-wollaston

Wow! I got that wrong then.

Well, maybe half right...

angrysoba · Today, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.

Originally Posted by GnaGnaMan

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com

My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving.

The Don · Today, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Wow! I got that wrong then.

Well, maybe half right...

Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right

...and they were probably Tories in name only

angrysoba · Today, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right

...and they were probably Tories in name only

JRM: "Those darn TINOs!"

Now, I will turn my amazing powers of prescience to the prediction that there is an unfolding co-ordinated effort between members of the two main parties, and that the defections are being deliberately staggered to keep them in the headlines.

Could there be some big names following soon?

Hillary Benn? John Mann?

Ken Clarke?

Information Analyst · Today, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving.

Phew! Good job there's no way the UK press will ever hear about that....

abaddon · Today, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

Dave

If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.

Filippo Lippi · Today, 08:04 AM

John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency

angrysoba · Today, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency

Actually, wasn't he one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's deal?

I just thought he might leave Labour given his outspokenness about anti-Semitism.

Information Analyst · Today, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by abaddon

If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.

That would be a sight worth getting the popcorn in for.

Captain_Swoop · Today, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by abaddon

If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.

They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.

Information Analyst · Today, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.

Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it.

Nessie · Today, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Information Analyst

Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it.

I think the only way Sinn Fein would take that oath, would be if it was to tip the balance in favour of a vote in Parliament to hand over NI to the Republic and create a united Ireland.

catsmate · Today, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

Dave

I could hope for an outbreak of moral courage there, but I won't hold my breath.

catsmate · Today, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.

Adams might have had the stature and courage to do it; McD, not a chance.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.

De Valera did.

Yesterday, 01:46 PM	#3562
Nessie Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,598	Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.
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Yesterday, 02:14 PM	#3563
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,797	Originally Posted by GlennB On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read: In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.” “Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29. Glad to hear that. I was worried about your situation. [crosses Greece off the list of post Brexit vacation deals]
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Today, 03:12 AM	#3565
Nessie Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,598	Businesses need to be in their biggest markets. Many businesses which had a HQ for the EU in the UK will need to move. Many UK businesses will need to set up a HQ in the EU, which will probably reduce the size of the UK HQ.
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Today, 05:14 AM	#3566
GnaGnaMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,407	Originally Posted by Nessie Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit. Quote: Japanese carmaker Honda cannot afford the 10 percent export tariff that would be imposed on its British-built cars if Britain had to return to World Trade Organization rules after Brexit, it said on Thursday. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com
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Today, 05:35 AM	#3567
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 11,474	https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llen-wollaston Quote: Three Conservative MPs – Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen – have quit the party to join the Independent Group founded by former Labour MPs. In a devastating critique of Theresa May’s handling of the Brexit negotiations, the three MPs said the Tories had lurched to the right, adopting Ukip policies and pursuing a hard Brexit.
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Yesterday, 08:40 AM	#3561
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 25,411	Originally Posted by GlennB On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read: In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.” “Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29. That's great news . If only the British government were that decisive and farsighted......

Today, 01:15 AM	#3564
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: on the edge Posts: 14,152	Originally Posted by Nessie Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit. They have also been warning about the negative effects of Brexit in the run up to the decision. I think they are concerned that brexit is an emotional issue.. Explain how Brexit makes it uneconomic to continue in the UK and that damages the brexiteer's arguments which in turn hurts them personally if they are invested in the brexit position. That could lead to resentment against Honda which in turn could lead to a drop in sales. No business wants to put off customers, best to blame it on something else.

Today, 06:05 AM	#3568
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 8,822	It's good that they've said straight that the Tory party is in thrall to the DUP and ERG.
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Today, 06:47 AM	#3569
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: on the edge Posts: 14,152	Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP? If not it can't take too many more.

Today, 06:55 AM	#3570
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 28,492	Originally Posted by Lothian Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP? If not it can't take too many more. The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats. Dave
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Today, 07:07 AM	#3571
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,414	Originally Posted by angrysoba I think some of this group have said they want other MPs from Labour and other parties to join them. The only other possible party they could join from are the Tories, as the SNP and Lib Dems are already solidly anti-Brexit, the Greens have one MP, etc... and I am pretty sure no Tory would join them. Originally Posted by Wudang https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llen-wollaston Wow! I got that wrong then. Well, maybe half right...
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Today, 07:09 AM	#3572
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,414	Originally Posted by Nessie Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit. Originally Posted by GnaGnaMan https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving.
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Today, 07:13 AM	#3573
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 25,411	Originally Posted by angrysoba Wow! I got that wrong then. Well, maybe half right... Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right ...and they were probably Tories in name only

Today, 07:31 AM	#3574
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,414	Originally Posted by The Don Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right ...and they were probably Tories in name only JRM: "Those darn TINOs!" Now, I will turn my amazing powers of prescience to the prediction that there is an unfolding co-ordinated effort between members of the two main parties, and that the defections are being deliberately staggered to keep them in the headlines. Could there be some big names following soon? Hillary Benn? John Mann? Ken Clarke?
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Today, 07:33 AM	#3575
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 8,822	Originally Posted by angrysoba My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving. Phew! Good job there's no way the UK press will ever hear about that....

Today, 07:41 AM	#3576
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 18,285	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats. Dave If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.
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Today, 08:04 AM	#3577
Filippo Lippi Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,921	John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency
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Today, 08:08 AM	#3578
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,414	Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency Actually, wasn't he one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's deal? I just thought he might leave Labour given his outspokenness about anti-Semitism.
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Today, 08:21 AM	#3579
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 8,822	Originally Posted by abaddon If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now. That would be a sight worth getting the popcorn in for.

Today, 09:23 AM	#3580
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 19,040	Originally Posted by abaddon If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now. They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.

Today, 02:23 PM	#3581
Information Analyst Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 8,822	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown. Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it.

Today, 02:29 PM	#3582
Nessie Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,598	Originally Posted by Information Analyst Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it. I think the only way Sinn Fein would take that oath, would be if it was to tip the balance in favour of a vote in Parliament to hand over NI to the Republic and create a united Ireland.
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Today, 03:03 PM	#3583
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19,886	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats. Dave I could hope for an outbreak of moral courage there, but I won't hold my breath.
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Today, 03:06 PM	#3584
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19,886	Originally Posted by abaddon If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now. Adams might have had the stature and courage to do it; McD, not a chance. Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown. De Valera did.
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