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Old Yesterday, 08:40 AM   #3561
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read:

In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.”

“Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29.
That's great news . If only the British government were that decisive and farsighted......
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Old Yesterday, 01:46 PM   #3562
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Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
On a personal note, there was a huge sigh of relief in the B household today when we read:

In the letter [to Jeremy Hunt], [Greek Foreign Minister]Katrougalos described the UK nationals currently living in Greece as “an important bridge of friendship between our two countries,” stressing that they are always “welcome.”

“Their rights will be fully recognized and safeguarded,” the letter said, adding that fast-track legislation is in the works to ensure that UK citizens residing in Greece “can remain in the country and continue to live, study and work here, as well as to enjoy social security and healthcare benefits” in the event that Britain leaves the European Union on March 29.
Glad to hear that. I was worried about your situation.

[crosses Greece off the list of post Brexit vacation deals]
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Old Today, 01:15 AM   #3564
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.
They have also been warning about the negative effects of Brexit in the run up to the decision.
I think they are concerned that brexit is an emotional issue.. Explain how Brexit makes it uneconomic to continue in the UK and that damages the brexiteer's arguments which in turn hurts them personally if they are invested in the brexit position. That could lead to resentment against Honda which in turn could lead to a drop in sales. No business wants to put off customers, best to blame it on something else.
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Old Today, 03:12 AM   #3565
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Businesses need to be in their biggest markets. Many businesses which had a HQ for the EU in the UK will need to move. Many UK businesses will need to set up a HQ in the EU, which will probably reduce the size of the UK HQ.
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Old Today, 05:14 AM   #3566
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.
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Japanese carmaker Honda cannot afford the 10 percent export tariff that would be imposed on its British-built cars if Britain had to return to World Trade Organization rules after Brexit, it said on Thursday.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llen-wollaston

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Three Conservative MPs – Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen – have quit the party to join the Independent Group founded by former Labour MPs.

In a devastating critique of Theresa May’s handling of the Brexit negotiations, the three MPs said the Tories had lurched to the right, adopting Ukip policies and pursuing a hard Brexit.
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It's good that they've said straight that the Tory party is in thrall to the DUP and ERG.
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Old Today, 06:47 AM   #3569
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Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP?
If not it can't take too many more.
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Old Today, 06:55 AM   #3570
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Have these 3 Tory departures meant that the Tories and DUP no longer have a majority? Have they just marginalised the DUP?
If not it can't take too many more.
The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

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Old Today, 07:07 AM   #3571
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think some of this group have said they want other MPs from Labour and other parties to join them. The only other possible party they could join from are the Tories, as the SNP and Lib Dems are already solidly anti-Brexit, the Greens have one MP, etc... and I am pretty sure no Tory would join them.
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Wow! I got that wrong then. Well, maybe half right...
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Old Today, 07:09 AM   #3572
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Honda claims the closing of the Swindon plant is not due to Brexit. But then the CEO in the UK states they want to be inside the biggest market. So it must be due to Brexit.
Originally Posted by GnaGnaMan View Post
My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving.
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Old Today, 07:13 AM   #3573
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Wow! I got that wrong then. Well, maybe half right...
Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right

...and they were probably Tories in name only
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Old Today, 07:31 AM   #3574
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Well they're not Tories now, so in effect you are right

...and they were probably Tories in name only
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Now, I will turn my amazing powers of prescience to the prediction that there is an unfolding co-ordinated effort between members of the two main parties, and that the defections are being deliberately staggered to keep them in the headlines.

Could there be some big names following soon?

Hillary Benn? John Mann?

Ken Clarke?
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
My wife was watching the news earlier today here in Japan, and she says someone from Honda as well as the TV newscaster openly stated Brexit was the reason for moving.
Phew! Good job there's no way the UK press will ever hear about that....
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Old Today, 07:41 AM   #3576
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

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If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.
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Old Today, 08:04 AM   #3577
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John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency
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Old Today, 08:08 AM   #3578
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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi View Post
John Mann is one of the Labour mp's who is expecting a tory bribe to rain down on his constituency
Actually, wasn't he one of the few Labour MPs to vote for May's deal?

I just thought he might leave Labour given his outspokenness about anti-Semitism.
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If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.
That would be a sight worth getting the popcorn in for.
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If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.
They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.
Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it.
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Various non-NI republican-leaning MPs have managed it.
I think the only way Sinn Fein would take that oath, would be if it was to tip the balance in favour of a vote in Parliament to hand over NI to the Republic and create a united Ireland.
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
The BBC says 314 Conservatives plus 10 DUP, for 324 out of 650; but since Sinn Fein don't take their seven seats, that's still a very slender effective majority of five seats.

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I could hope for an outbreak of moral courage there, but I won't hold my breath.
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If Sinn Fein reversed their decades old refusal to engage in Westminster, they could score an astonishing political coup. They have to be considering it by now.
Adams might have had the stature and courage to do it; McD, not a chance.

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They aren't going to take the oath of loyalty to the crown.
De Valera did.
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