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Old Today, 05:21 AM   #3241
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Charge separation (of ubiquitous quasi neutral plasma), electric fields, Birkeland currents (FAC’s). All are required and observed at comet 67p.

What more are you after exactly?

You’re still stuck at point 1 and just row your boat down the river denial.

Pointless unless you get out of your boat.

There are no Birkeland currents. And the rest of your nonsense has nothing to do with the total failure of your impossible woo. You are the one in denial, as proven.

Where is your impossible EDM?
Where are your impossible discharges?
Where is the rock?
Why is there ice?
Why is there gas when the solar wind you need to create it is getting nowhere near the comet for long periods?
Why do asteroids on very elliptical orbits not outgas? And why would they anyway?
How are giant, impossible lightning bolts lifting enormous bodies of 'rock' off of planets?
Etc.

You're continued refusal to address these points is obviously due to you acknowledging that said idiotic model has failed.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Is there an ambipolar electric field at comets?

Is there charge separation at a comet?

Is there charged dust at comets along with charged particles?

Three very simply yes/no answers. No math involved, no long winded deep explanations, just yes or no.

You able answer these simply questions, jonesdave116?

Short answer is yes to all.

As for being blasted of planted by giant lightning bolts, well it’s as good a story as comets are the left overs from some fictitious nebula collapse.

As is now being observed in situ by probes orbiting asteroids, one of which is a comet (active asteroid Bennu).
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Electric fields have everything to do with the electric comets and active asteroids!....
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A delusion that mentioning electric fields make comets rocks, etc.

A delusion that electric fields have anything to do with active asteroids. Active asteroids debunk the electric comet insanity by not having cometary orbits !

The main scientific causes of comet-like activity on a few asteroids is ices sublimating, impacts and spin up. Electrostatic repulsion from a rational, scientific mechanism may have a role in ejecting dust. That mechanism is not a deluded fantasy about an imaginary solar eclectic field doing magic (a small part of the insanity within the electric comet).
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Ahearn had a crack...
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie that A'hearn's last paper was about the difference between comets and asteroids.
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If you agree there is an ambipolar electric field and charge separation at comet 67P, I could have a crack at the Sun if you’d like.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A delusion that there is any question about a ambipolar electric field and charge separation in the coma at comet 67P.
All plasmas such as a comet coma have a ambipolar electric field and charge separation.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...Charge separation, electric fields, charged dust....
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Writing mainstream terms "Charge separation, electric fields, charged dust" does not make electric comet insanity sane.
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Is there an ambipolar electric field at comets?
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Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling by repeating questions that have been answered many times over the last few years: Yes, yes. yes, yes = mainstream physics irrelevant to the actual insanity in the electric comet.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Deluded highlight of a quote. Clays and carbonates are not unique to rocky planets. They are not "Planetary type rock" as in the post he replied to..
They are not basalt. They are not granite. They are not sandstone. They are not limestone.
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So you don’t believe there is an ambipolar electric field at 67P, ...
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie about jonesdave116's post which says an ambipolar electric field at 67P does exist and is irrelevant to the electric comet insanity.
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Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet Jan Deca
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Repeated stupidity of citing an irrelevant mainstream ices and dust comet paper and lying about what he quotes. There are no "beams of negatively charged dust" in the quote.
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So you finally admit there is an ambipolar electric field at comet 67P.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Textbook plasma physics and real comet coma are irrelevant to his electric comet insanity.
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Now how we going with the charge separation, as per Decca’s paper?
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling by repeating irrelevant questions.
Decca's paper is mainstream science abut real comets. Plasma have electrons and ions - separated charges. interacting plasmas have interaction that separate charges.

The electric comet insanity has nothing but deluded fantasies that do not include the dynamics of comet coma !
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What is the ambipolar electric field doing, jonesdave116?
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling because sources about the ambipolar electric field present in plasmas such as comet coma have supplied to him many times. Also Google exist !
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Or even better still describe what’s going on in FIG. 2. 3D overview of the four-fluid behavior of the solar wind interaction with a weakly outgassing comet, in Decca’s paper
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Usual waste of our time with an irrelevant mainstream ices and dust comet paper.
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Or if that’s just too hard a question, here’s another. Iis the plasma in the coma ofthe comet quasi neutral?
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling since the properties of plasma have been given to him many times. Plasma is quasi-natural (acts as neutral on a scale called the Debye length)
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No not really, just happy the mainstream are still “discovering” surprises!
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

The delusion that surprises that the mainstream finds and often resolves are bad - that is how science works !

Part of the electric comet inanity is that everything that is found is a surprise since all it has is deluded fantasies explaining nothing.

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The implications for the mainstream are quite severe.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie that surprises have "quite severe" implications for the mainstream model. Everything we have learned about comets supports the mainstream model of comets made of ices and dust.
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NoThat’s not just “mentioning” electrical forces, sport. Which if your interested is some 39 orders of magnitude.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

The electric comet insanity of "39 orders of magnitude". This part of the insanity is that the electromagnetic forces are always stronger than gravitational forces. The electromagnetic force between massive neutral objects is zero while the gravitational force is not zero !

Another part of the electric comet insanity is the utter madness of the measured density of comets (~0.6 g/cc compared to ~3.0 g/cc for asteroids) being wrong just because electric fields exist!
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
The ambipolar electric field is killing the Dirtysnowball. ....
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie because comet coma having an ambipolar electric field is textbook plasma physics as has been explained to him many times..
Irrelevant to the electric comet insanity.
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Is the dust charged?
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically a troll by a lying question. The detection of charged dust and ice grains at 67P has been explained many times.
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pretty common experience on earth to watch snow melt and a great kiddies science trick to see dry ice sublimate, so it would stand to reason to exclude the new data to keep the party going.

Sublimation, good one.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A delusion that physics observed on Earth (dry ice sublimating) should be excluded. A slight lie because what scientists do is put ices into the same conditions as space and observe them sublimate.

Active asteroids being explained by sublimating ices is a rational, scientific mechanism.
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The asteroid missions to Benn and Ryugu killed that little gravy train off.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie that the asteroid missions to Bennu and Ryugu killed off ices sublimating as a cause of rare active asteroids. Bennu has dust plumes with many possible causes which include possible ices sublimating
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It's not impossible that Bennu contains ice under its surface, although its orbital position is too warm for it to have formed there. The only way it could contain ice is if it formed farther out in the Solar System, and somehow made its way closer in.
Repeated delusion that asteroids are comets: Bennu and Ryugu are not comets. They do not have coma. They do not have tails.
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Active asteroid science here we come...oh wait, mainstream were “surprised” to find Bennu active and have limited suite of instruments.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Repeated delusion that asteroids are comets: Bennu is not a comet. Bennu does not have a coma. Bennu does not have tails. Bennu is not even designated as an active asteroid (yet) !

Repeated delusion that science cannot be "surprised" when we get new data.

We have detected a few active asteroids out of hundreds of thousands of observed asteroids. The rational conclusion is that active asteroids are rare. Thus it was rational to assume that Bennu would not have dust plumes.
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So comets are mostly ice as per the mainstream Dirtysnowball, 1950’s Whipple model?
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling because he knows the answer as explained many times.
A delusion that science stopped in the 1950's - the modern comet model is more than Whipple's model. We know that 2 visited comets have more dust than ices. Tempel 1 was 20-50% water ices. 67P was ~16% ices.

Part of the electric comet insanity is the deluded fantasy of no or little ices on comet nuclei surfaces because they want them to be rock blasted from Earth, etc. Deep Impact on Tempel 1 in 2005 showed that to be deluded. Measurements at 67P showed turned that delusion into insanity.
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Science is in, charge separation and electric fields and the plasma phenomena that that entails is the THE ELECTRIC COMET regardless of thier origin.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Lies about the science and the electric comet insanity.
The "charge separation and electric fields and the plasma phenomena" are standard physics for and inside comet coma.
The electric comet insanity has only deluded fantasies about comet coma.
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A’Hearn already, quite some time ago said the same thing...
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Usual insult of A’Hearn who did not believe in the electric comet insanity that merely starts with comets being rocks.
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Not real rock blasted from planets by giant lightning bolts or whatever fantasy you’ve conjured up but that special comet ROCK.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Lies about the electric comet insanity which is actually "real rock blasted from planets by giant lightning bolts".
A deluded fantasy of "special comet ROCK" when astronomers such as A’Hearn use "rock" to describe mineral grains, e.g. the ones detected at 67P and returned by the Stardust mission.
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Comets are rocky objects as observed.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie that we have observed comets to be rocky objects.
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No sublimation obserserved.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie. We have images of ices sublimating on 67P, e.g. jets issuing from inside pits. We have detected the gases from ices sublimating. He has been given these facts many times.

Alternately a delusion that we have to have a camera on the surface of a comet filming ices sublimating?
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Perhaps an expert in the subject like jonesdave116, is able to tell us the what the current model is after he confirmed they are no longer Dirtysnowballs....
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Basically trolling by asking yet another irrelevant question yet again. This is a thread abut the electric comet: The Electric Comet Theory Part IV/SAFIRE.
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As they are now NOT mostly ice but ARE mostly ROCK.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A bit of a troll by lying about the irrelevant mainstream model.
The current mainstream model is still that comets are made of mostly ices and dust. That may change as A'Hearn wrote in the future. His opinion in his last paper was that astronomers are evolving toward comets made of more dust ("rock") than ices.
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Now this ROCK is not rock like we see on Earth but special low density comet rock, all other properties seem similar to Earth rock though.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A "special low density comet rock" lie.
Nothing he has cited says that as explained to him many times. Not even the insult A'Hearn's as in that quote in A'Hearn's last paper which is about the ratio of ices and dust ("rock").
The evidence is that cometary dust is made of minerals made in space and in the early solar system as explained to him many times.

A "similar to Earth rock" lie. Terrestrial rock (basalt, granite, sandstone, limestone, etc.) does not form in outer space and his personal, version of the electric comet insanity agrees that it is insane to have comets blasted from the Earth by lightning bolts between planets.

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Reality check, Is any kind of electric field required by the sublimation model?

Is the charge seperation of the solar winds quasi-neutral plasma reqired by the sublimation model?
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This leaves the mainstream with no model...
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

A lie because the mainstream model still exists and works as in the many papers he has cited including A'Hearn's mainstream ices and dust paper. The expectation in the 1950's was that comets would have more ices and dust and so that was part of the model. We have visited 2 comets with more dust than ices and so that ratio may be revised in the future.
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So comets are mostly rock/dirt/refractory material with minimal ice....jonesdave116 is correct! Whipple’s model, The Dirtysnowball, is dead.
Usual electric comet insanity rather than science.

Delusion that science stopped in the 1950's (Whipple's 1950's model has been updated).

A lie that jonesdave116 wrote "are mostly rock/dirt/refractory material with minimal ice" or hat makes the mainstream model wrong..
It has been known for some decades that dust is more prevalent than ice.
Deep Impact found 20-50% water ices in 2005 !
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Reality check, Is any kind of electric field required by the sublimation model?

Is the charge seperation of the solar winds quasi-neutral plasma reqired by the sublimation model?

So no?
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