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Old 18th October 2016, 10:15 PM   #1
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"Buliding expert" Donald Trump weighs in on WTC destruction

Synopsis: On 9/11, The Donald didn't believe a plane could have penetrated the "big heavy I-beams" on the outside of the building without help from bombs. By now (given and his general detachment from reality and his association with Alex Jones), Trump might be a no-planer.

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Synopsis: On 9/11, The Donald didn't believe a plane could have penetrated the "big heavy I-beams" on the outside of the building without help from bombs. By now (given and his general detachment from reality and his association with Alex Jones), Trump might be a no-planer.

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Then he can kiss any hoped victory goodbye. We don't need a nut in the White House. Good grief, the man has no filter!
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Keeping in mind that 78%of what emerges from the Donald's mouth is a lie - or at least demonstrably false,... and he knows it - I chalk this up as more shameless pandering to a shrinking base. This of course exactly the opposite of what he should be doing.
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1) Not recent, this was what he said when "America under attack" was the banner onscreen,

2) his final words are quite prescient. Skip to the end if you need to.

3) We have had years to analyze every detail of the event. Y'all are arguing about specific flanges at this point. On that day Trump, like everyone else, knew next to nothing about the event, the buildings, the planes, the energies and vectors, seismograph data and radar tracks, all of it.

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Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg View Post
1) Not recent, this was what he said when "America under attack" was the banner onscreen,

2) his final words are quite prescient. Skip to the end if you need to.

3) We have had years to analyze every detail of the event. Y'all are arguing about specific flanges at this point. On that day Trump, like everyone else, knew next to nothing about the event, the buildings, the planes, the energies and vectors, seismograph data and radar tracks, all of it.
It appears to be the day of 9/11, or the day after.
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Old 19th October 2016, 04:29 PM   #6
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Trump couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it. "Half of the columns" in the basement of the WTC were NOT blown out after the bombing of 1993. So either he's incorrectly remembering what he saw, or he was never taken on a tour of the WTC basement at all, any more than he ever sent a team of investigators to Hawaii to check out Obama's birth certificate.
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Whilst I have little issue with calling Trump dumb for parroting conspiracies like the birther movement I see no indication from the videos that he actually believes no planes were involved. His remarks suggest that he couldn't understand how the planes could penetrate the buildings as hard as they did, and that the hijackers must have had bombs on the planes to facilitate the damage. Seen and heard his remarks in the past about it... the truth movement likes to take any measure of lack of understanding to twist a story into their narrative. This happens to be one such case...

Although I would even call his lack of understanding baseless, and rightly so...
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pffft, Dump did a half hour interview with Alex Jones last December. Fittingly at the same time Dump was refusing to go on Glenn Beck's program because that guy is an idiot, a loser, and has no good ratings. Anyway, Trump actually said to Jones "Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down.” WHAT? Just going on that show should have sunk his chances at the presidency. What he said should have left his run dead in the water... Picking out something from 15 years ago really is going too far. But, American politics are currently, to use a buzzword from yesterday, "horrifying"
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Someone should ask him to show his calculations given the momentum and kinetic energy of the planes etc.

This guy is just getting sillier by the minute. Just when you think he can't go much lower he does.
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post
pffft, Dump did a half hour interview with Alex Jones last December. Fittingly at the same time Dump was refusing to go on Glenn Beck's program because that guy is an idiot, a loser, and has no good ratings. Anyway, Trump actually said to Jones "Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down. WHAT? Just going on that show should have sunk his chances at the presidency. What he said should have left his run dead in the water... Picking out something from 15 years ago really is going too far. But, American politics are currently, to use a buzzword from yesterday, "horrifying"
Which is being used by Hilary in a TV add. It consists of showing video of some of Jones crazier rants, and interspersing it with footage of Trump praising Jones for telling the truth to the American people....
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Great news, I don't get American TV commercials here, thanks for making me aware of that, go team Hilary!
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Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
"Half of the columns" in the basement of the WTC were NOT blown out after the bombing of 1993. So either he's incorrectly remembering what he saw, or he was never taken on a tour of the WTC basement at all, ...
It suffices to note that he is dramatically mistaken on the state of the basement columns. No need to insinuate conscious deception where mere incompetence explains the mistake well.

Memory is a very malleable thing. 1993 is eight years before 2001. Suppose Trump was indeed shown the damaged area: He may honestly remember it was the day after, when in fact it was weeks or months later when it was again safe to go there and just before scaffolding and other construction equipment was removed. He may honestly remember seeing broken columns when in fact he saw columns that were stained, or had some cladding removed for inspection, or something like that.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Memory is a very malleable thing. 1993 is eight years before 2001. Suppose Trump was indeed shown the damaged area: He may honestly remember it was the day after, when in fact it was weeks or months later when it was again safe to go there and just before scaffolding and other construction equipment was removed. He may honestly remember seeing broken columns when in fact he saw columns that were stained, or had some cladding removed for inspection, or something like that.
Fact of the matter is, no tower columns were even involved. The bomb was actually parked under the Marriott hotel. The hotel was closed for almost 2 years due to the damage.
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Is this a new video or what?

Donald knows better than all the Engineers? But you know he has more respect for engineers than anyone!
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Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
Trump couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it. "Half of the columns" in the basement of the WTC were NOT blown out after the bombing of 1993. So either he's incorrectly remembering what he saw, or he was never taken on a tour of the WTC basement at all, any more than he ever sent a team of investigators to Hawaii to check out Obama's birth certificate.
Perhaps he is conflating "columns" with "floors". IIRC yes, there was a hole extending through at least half of the underground floors.
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It suffices to note that he is dramatically mistaken on the state of the basement columns. No need to insinuate conscious deception where mere incompetence explains the mistake well.

Memory is a very malleable thing. 1993 is eight years before 2001. Suppose Trump was indeed shown the damaged area: He may honestly remember it was the day after, when in fact it was weeks or months later when it was again safe to go there and just before scaffolding and other construction equipment was removed. He may honestly remember seeing broken columns when in fact he saw columns that were stained, or had some cladding removed for inspection, or something like that.
Perhaps he honestly believes he never grabbed these woman. ! Or perhaps he feels it is best forgotten !
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Lying, mis-remembering, or incompetent in matters of construction.

None of these explanations are particularly positive.
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pffft, Dump did a half hour interview with Alex Jones last December. Fittingly at the same time Dump was refusing to go on Glenn Beck's program because that guy is an idiot, a loser, and has no good ratings. Anyway, Trump actually said to Jones "Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down. WHAT? Just going on that show should have sunk his chances at the presidency. What he said should have left his run dead in the water... Picking out something from 15 years ago really is going too far. But, American politics are currently, to use a buzzword from yesterday, "horrifying"

Yes, it is. Has anyone here heard that he won the election?


Does anyone have a copy of or link to the Alex Jones show in which he makes this statement?


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Which is being used by Hilary in a TV add. It consists of showing video of some of Jones crazier rants, and interspersing it with footage of Trump praising Jones for telling the truth to the American people....

It sure would be nice if someone could produce a copy of that add.


Des anyone else have any information on Trump statements on the WTC collapses? Thanks in advance.
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It sure would be nice if someone could produce a copy of that add.
It's at the beginning of this clip:
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Thanks.

A youtube version of the full Alex Jones interview with Donald Trump is at this link.


Anything else that the new U.S. president has to say about the WTC collapses would be appreciated.
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Yes, it is. Has anyone here heard that he won the election?
Did anyone see the Colbert the night of and the next day? No one let Stephen be alone for at least the next few months oh man...


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Does anyone have a copy of or link to the Alex Jones show in which he makes this statement?
Wow. Try google. "reputation amazing" and "trump jones" got me everything. Maybe this is the wrong time to say this but like can people figure out the internet please?

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btw jon ronson wrote a book about the connection between trump and alex jones, for context jon is the lad that made the bohemian grove tape with alex back when they were kids, he was the man to write that book, roger stone what a ****in goof... anyway, yeah more people should have read that *********** book and ran with it politically. All the blowhards talking about pussy grabbing and mexican rapists, how about focus on not trusting the scientists or not trusting the intelligence experts? *********** global warming and Russian subterfuge... way to strike out on 3 straight fastballs idiots.
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Originally Posted by Major_Tom View Post
Thanks.

A youtube version of the full Alex Jones interview with Donald Trump is at this link.


Anything else that the new U.S. president has to say about the WTC collapses would be appreciated.
Alex Jones and Trump... , a team the KKK can endorse.

As for the OP, the Trump man-baby said things that anyone might say the day of or the day after 9/11. Thus there was no woo from the OP, but lately Trump has wooed the woo vote.

Yes, come January, Von Clownstick goes from Clownstick to Mr. President. Anything Trump says about the collapse will be worth as much as what Alex Jones can say. Is it still an illusion for you.
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One can expect that Donald T will re-open the 9/11 investigation

.... Hillary did it !
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One can expect that Donald T will re-open the 9/11 investigation

.... Hillary did it !
Her husband did play a roll in the events that lead up to 9/11..........



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Our former (banned) member TruthMakesPeace (Rick Shaddock) is a big fan of Trump, and has several videos in his YT channel with Trump speaking.

First, he has the same video as the OP with subtitles (plus random bits of wooish dramatic twoofie film after the 2:55 min mark).

Then there is the full interview on 9 11 News (eerie, eh? ). This reveals, at where Trump was at the time (0:25 minutes):
Originally Posted by Donald Trump
Well, I have a window that looks directly at the World Trade Center, and I saw this huge explosion. I was with a group of people, and I really couldn't even believe it. And, I think, even worse than that, for years I've looked right directly at the building. I'd see the Empire State Building in the foreground and the World Trade Center in the Background...
So when the attacks happened, Trump was somewhere north of the ESB - The Trump Tower (5th Ave. and 57th St.) fits the bill, it's 23 blocks north of the ESB (5th Ave. and 34th St.).

And then, Rick has a couple of videos from Trump campaign events:
Donald Trump in Newton, Iowa 19-Nov-2015 (22:09 minutes)
Trump Davenport (05-Dec-2015) (19:01 minutes)
I think he asked Trump some question about 9/11 in one or both of the events. I will skim through them a bit later and point out the time stamp.
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This Trump video from 9/11 was on WWOR, at the time an affiliate of the now-defunct UPN network. You find them sometimes as "Channel 9", or "UPN9".
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Her husband did play a roll in the events that lead up to 9/11..........



Did he roll a 20?

ETA: I am guessing Bush failed on the saving throw...
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Originally Posted by Richard the G View Post
One can expect that Donald T will re-open the 9/11 investigation

.... Hillary did it !
There is tremendous public pressure on Trump to re-open the 9/11 investigation - look at this 10-million signatures petition:
To President Donald Trump: OPEN A NEW 911 INVESTIGATION (opened on election night)

Well ok, it doesn't have 10 million signatures yet, that's the goal however, and they already have ... 149.
141 of those came in during the first week. Since then, 8 signatures in 13 days. At that pace, they'll reach the goal in just under 45,000 years I think Trump needs to amend the Constitution so he can get re-elected 12,000 times instead of just once.
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Trump has already created a new truth movement
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There is tremendous public pressure on Trump to re-open the 9/11 investigation - look at this 10-million signatures petition:
To President Donald Trump: OPEN A NEW 911 INVESTIGATION (opened on election night)

Well ok, it doesn't have 10 million signatures yet, that's the goal however, and they already have ... 149.
141 of those came in during the first week. Since then, 8 signatures in 13 days. At that pace, they'll reach the goal in just under 45,000 years I think Trump needs to amend the Constitution so he can get re-elected 12,000 times instead of just once.
9 Days Later: +2 signatures
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Trump has already created a new truth movement
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

TRUTH IS......
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Colbert really takes the piss out of Jonesy here...

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Looks like Joey was right about one thing in life... cult deprogramming is more important than almost any subject in science and skepticism... this will take a LOT OF *********** WORK
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There is tremendous public pressure on Trump to re-open the 9/11 investigation - look at this 10-million signatures petition:
To President Donald Trump: OPEN A NEW 911 INVESTIGATION (opened on election night)

Well ok, it doesn't have 10 million signatures yet, that's the goal however, and they already have ... 149.
141 of those came in during the first week. Since then, 8 signatures in 13 days. At that pace, they'll reach the goal in just under 45,000 years I think Trump needs to amend the Constitution so he can get re-elected 12,000 times instead of just once.
Dec 12 : up to 151 signatories. Why do the most seem to come from Germany?
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