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Old 31st August 2012, 04:19 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
They wanted that kind of angle to make the office fires big enough. They also used thermite, but even with that they needed to weaken several floors.


The worst thing is, to him, this makes perfect sense.
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Old 31st August 2012, 04:29 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
They wanted that kind of angle to make the office fires big enough. They also used thermite, but even with that they needed to weaken several floors.
They needed the angle to make the equation of imbalance work.
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Old 31st August 2012, 07:20 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
They wanted that kind of angle to make the office fires big enough. They also used thermite, but even with that they needed to weaken several floors.
Horse poop. Essentially your "theory" is the Illuminati faked hijacking and crashing planes so they would have cover for the explosives - that weren't damaged by the planes' impacts - to bring them down. Then they invented the 3,000 casualties out of thin air.

Why is it every truther theory sounds like it was dreamed up by a not particularly bright 5th Grader?
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Old 31st August 2012, 07:28 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Robrob View Post
Horse poop. Essentially your "theory" is the Illuminati faked hijacking and crashing planes so they would have cover for the explosives - that weren't damaged by the planes' impacts - to bring them down. Then they invented the 3,000 casualties out of thin air.

Why is it every truther theory sounds like it was dreamed up by a not particularly bright 5th Grader?

Well, in ALs case, it's not really his theory. He just finds the most retarded from around the internet and pretends to believe it because he knows we'll respond.
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Old 31st August 2012, 11:10 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
They wanted that kind of angle to make the office fires big enough. They also used thermite, but even with that they needed to weaken several floors.
i wish i could have been a fly on the wall during the planning phase of the operation...

"ok men, were going to use thermitemate to bring down the towers, but we need to weaken a several floors. any suggestions?

planes?...


BRILLIANT!"
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Old 1st September 2012, 12:11 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Robrob View Post
Horse poop. Essentially your "theory" is the Illuminati faked hijacking and crashing planes so they would have cover for the explosives - that weren't damaged by the planes' impacts - to bring them down. Then they invented the 3,000 casualties out of thin air.

Why is it every truther theory sounds like it was dreamed up by a not particularly bright 5th Grader?
Even if the planes were real, and I don't think they were, but let's assume that, then that would not have been enough to bring the towers down. So they had to use thermite, plus in some way make the steel columns collapse such as with shape charges or something like that.

The shadow cabal didn't have to come up with 3,000 victims. They could just let the media and the government etc fake the victims since they were forced to do a coverup because the public firmly believed the event as it was first presented by the media. To tell the truth after that would have made the authorities, like the Presidency and mainstream media and so on, lose all credibility leading to a collapse of the entire society, with the public filing thousands of class action lawsuits.
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Even if the planes were real, and I don't think they were
Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
They wanted that kind of angle to make the office fires big enough.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a troll.
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Old 1st September 2012, 08:36 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Voodoosix View Post
i wish i could have been a fly on the wall during the planning phase of the operation...

"ok men, were going to use thermitemate to bring down the towers, but we need to weaken a several floors. any suggestions?

planes?...


BRILLIANT!"
*Interrupts*

"Sir, we don't need to weaken the floors, they are not installed."
"So we don't have to use planes then?"
"Well, not *real* planes."
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There you go again with this "shadow cabal", for which there is no evidence!
Here is evidence for the shadow cabal in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXBUyezfUOs

Notice first how the firefighter sweeps his arm down to indicate the exact timing for when the camera operator should start moving the camera to the left to exactly catch the explosion in the tower. The plane has been edited into the video later on with computer graphics. So both the firefighter here and the camera operator are members of the shadow cabal.
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Old 1st September 2012, 09:08 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Bell View Post
*Interrupts*

"Sir, we don't need to weaken the floors, they are not installed."
"So we don't have to use planes then?"
"Well, not *real* planes."
Which means that there WERE floors where the planes impacted the towers. Which in turn indicates that the 'planes' are computer graphics insertions, because real planes would not glide effortlessly like a laser sword through several floors of concrete and steel.
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Old 1st September 2012, 09:21 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Which means that there WERE floors where the planes impacted the towers. Which in turn indicates that the 'planes' are computer graphics insertions, because real planes would not glide effortlessly like a laser sword through several floors of concrete and steel.
LOL, you don't have a clue what E=1/2mv2
You skipped Physics. Not a great idea, but I can teach 99.9 percent of all grade school kids in grades 5 and 6 to understand kinetic energy aircraft can crash through the WTC shell because they have 7 to 11 times the kinetic energy needed. Did you skip a lot of school? Why did you fail to take science courses in school?

You don't do physics, your statement is delusional.
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Old 1st September 2012, 09:25 AM   #52
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Funny, the no-planes say the same thing about you.
No-planes divert the issue hence they are more likely to be manipulators. Who cares whether there were planes there or no. They could not have done the kind of damage they are assumed to have done. Their existence doesn't matter. The claim is real.
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LOL, you don't have a clue what E=1/2mv2
You skipped Physics. Not a great idea, but I can teach 99.9 percent of all grade school kids in grades 5 and 6 to understand kinetic energy aircraft can crash through the WTC shell because they have 7 to 11 times the kinetic energy needed. Did you skip a lot of school? Why did you fail to take science courses in school?

You don't do physics, your statement is delusional.
So, you claim you have physics calculations for how an airliner can glide through several floors of concrete and steel plus steel columns like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSDfbm8OhCg ?
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Which means that there WERE floors where the planes impacted the towers. Which in turn indicates that the 'planes' are computer graphics insertions, because real planes would not glide effortlessly like a laser sword through several floors of concrete and steel.
They actually could. They were made of indestructibly Panzer that will cut anything at any speed.
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They actually could. They were made of indestructibly Panzer that will cut anything at any speed.
I bet Anders will think this is witty.

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Truthers who promote the no plane theory are either disinfo agents trying to discredit the truth movement, or morons.
Truthers are morons. Period.
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
So both the firefighter here and the camera operator are members of the shadow cabal.
Explain the eyewitnesses. Oh...I forgot....everyone who witnessed an impact is in on it and all the rest of us have been fooled except you and Ace Baker



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Explain the eyewitnesses. Oh...I forgot....everyone who witnessed an impact is in on it and all the rest of us have been fooled except you and Ace Baker



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Not necessarily. Imagine that you had witnessed first hand how there was an explosion in one of the WTC towers but no plane. Then what will you tell your family members and your friends, who all have seen the plane on television? Would you start ranting about "there was no plane! there was no plane!" and having people you know and people you work with think you had gone completely bonkers?!
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Not necessarily. Imagine that you had witnessed first hand how there was an explosion in one of the WTC towers but no plane. Then what will you tell your family members and your friends, who all have seen the plane on television? Would you start ranting about "there was no plane! there was no plane!" and having people you know and people you work with think you had gone completely bonkers?!
So who're the legion who witnessed who're covering? There must be plenty.

And do explain the second impact. You taking a page out of the 'Ace Baker real-time broadcast CGI plane insertoin' playbook?

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They actually could. They were made of indestructibly Panzer that will cut anything at any speed.
Not the same material as this plane then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0
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So who're the legion who witnessed who're covering? There must be plenty.

And do explain the second impact. You taking a page out of the 'Ace Baker real-time broadcast CGI plane insertoin' playbook?

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Even if the planes were real, they could have been empty of people and computer controlled. I don't think there were planes, but even with real planes there could have been zero victims.
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Even if the planes were real, they could have been empty of people and computer controlled. I don't think there were planes, but even with real planes there could have been zero victims.
Just because they could have, does not mean they did. The onus is on you present how it was done, not how it could have been done
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Just because they could have, does not mean they did. The onus is on you present how it was done, not how it could have been done
You just have to know that he won't do this. Trutherism is about could and maybe and might. The only absolute in trutherism is its absolute stupidity

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Just because they could have, does not mean they did. The onus is on you present how it was done, not how it could have been done
Ok, my explanation for zero victims as passengers and flight crew is that there were no real planes. The no plane theories can be found in other threads so I will not expand on it here.
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Not the same material as this plane then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0
I wonder what the believers will say after watching this video. It will hurt their fragile social little egos.
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Ok, my explanation for zero victims as passengers and flight crew is that there were no real planes. The no plane theories can be found in other threads so I will not expand on it here.
So I just take your word for it. So how do I know your information is any more worthy than anyone else who has ever discussed topic
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Ok, my explanation for zero victims as passengers and flight crew is that there were no real planes. The no plane theories can be found in other threads so I will not expand on it here.
Then explain the eyewitnesses of the planes on the day. Pick a position and work it.

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I wonder what the believers will say after watching this video. It will hurt their fragile social little egos.
I would say that it has nothing to do with 911. That was a little plane and a concrete wall. Do have any real evidence of your belief? You seem to know a lot about people that you have never met.
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So I just take your word for it. So how do I know your information is any more worthy than anyone else who has ever discussed topic
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Then explain the eyewitnesses of the planes on the day. Pick a position and work it.

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For no plane theories, see for example this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=242945
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I wonder what the believers will say after watching this video. It will hurt their fragile social little egos.
That depends. Do these "believers" have a high school education?

What's a "social little ego". Is this an internet thing?
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For no plane theories, see for example this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=242945
Directing us to a pre-existing page on this forum hardly constitutes evidence for anything. But this your story so please - share your evidence
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That depends. Do these "believers" have a high school education?

What's a "social little ego". Is this an internet thing?
it kind of looks that way.
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Directing us to a pre-existing page on this forum hardly constitutes evidence for anything. But this your story so please - share your evidence
Eh, I think a moderator moved some of my posts. Or did I post in the wrong thread?

Anyway, here is an example of a witness not seeing a second plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAzzHjLYjuA
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I would say that it has nothing to do with 911. That was a little plane and a concrete wall. Do have any real evidence of your belief? You seem to know a lot about people that you have never met.
You need to realize that planes shells are made of stuff that is not much harder than fiberglass or Kevlar or wood. The best thing aluminum alloy offers is flexibility, but not strength in any meaningful ratio.
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it kind of looks that way.
You don't actually read for comprehension, do you?

Maybe you should move your "debating" to the "Club Penguin" forum. Do you think you would be convincing there? I'm sure you could qualify to register.
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You need to realize that planes shells are made of stuff that is not much harder than fiberglass or Kevlar or wood. The best thing aluminum alloy offers is flexibility, but not strength in any meaningful ratio.
Kimetic energy. What was the weight of the fuel in the wings?

If you know the answer to that you can work it out for yourself.
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You lost her at the "K".

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You need to realize that planes shells are made of stuff that is not much harder than fiberglass or Kevlar or wood. The best thing aluminum alloy offers is flexibility, but not strength in any meaningful ratio.
Such innocent ignorance

Why does a tennis ball made of rubber+felt manage to break a pane of glass that would take a diamond to cut it?

How does a karate dude's flesh+blood hand manage to smash a stack of roof tiles?

Try to understand ... your comments are not worth anything just because you make them. They need to be supported by actual science. I know this is a bit scary, but you'll get used to it.

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Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Kimetic energy. What was the weight of the fuel in the wings?

If you know the answer to that you can work it out for yourself.
KE = 1/2m*v^2
Can you elaborate?
Are you implying the hole was cut by a kinetic wave of sorts?
How does it work on the table?
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
Can you elaborate?
Are you implying the hole was cut by a kinetic wave of sorts?
How does it work on the table?
This post show you have no idea. The answer is in the equation. Would you now like to admit you have no clue why you believe what you claim to believe?
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