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Old 1st September 2012, 11:29 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
Such innocent ignorance

Why does a tennis ball made of rubber+felt manage to break a pane of glass that would take a diamond to cut it?

How does a karate dude's flesh+blood hand manage to smash a stack of roof tiles?

Try to understand ... your comments are not worth anything just because you make them. They need to be supported by actual science. I know this is a bit scary, but you'll get used to it.
A glass pane vs a steel column.

You don't need much of kinetic energy to break a pane of glass. Just press your fist hard enough and it will crack. Ay more examples?
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Old 1st September 2012, 11:33 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
A glass pane vs a steel column.

You don't need much of kinetic energy to break a pane of glass. Just press your fist hard enough and it will crack. Ay more examples?
Yes. Your own.

You don't need much kinetic energy to break some 3/8" steel box columns, just a plane's fuselage and wings travelling at 600mph.

Don't you see? You can't make the claim you just did while remaining immune from the same claim? It's logic in action.
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Old 1st September 2012, 11:34 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
Can you elaborate?
Are you implying the hole was cut by a kinetic wave of sorts?
How does it work on the table?
What is your point? Do you have a point, you have no clue airplanes are not made of aluminum foil because you don't know what foil is, or how alloys work.

There are aluminum bullets, and shells.

You don't seem to understand physics. What is the final conclusion?

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The planes, stock planes with people did the damage on 911, fire did the rest. What is your point with the posting nonsense?

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Old 1st September 2012, 11:37 AM   #84
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This post show you have no idea. The answer is in the equation. Would you now like to admit you have no clue why you believe what you claim to believe?
We were already down that road. Kinetic energy could do the trick of crashing the wall on impact. Why not. It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing. So, what made the little hole on the other side of the building It could not have been the bow of the plane. It had been destroyed on impact.
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Old 1st September 2012, 11:40 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
Yes. Your own.

You don't need much kinetic energy to break some 3/8" steel box columns, just a plane's fuselage and wings travelling at 600mph.

Don't you see? You can't make the claim you just did while remaining immune from the same claim? It's logic in action.
At what speed the plane was going when its bow hit the opposite wall. I know, it should have already been destroyed but what the heck, lets assume it survived the collision and fire.
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
We were already down that road. Kinetic energy could do the trick of crashing the wall on impact. Why not. It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing. So, what made the little hole on the other side of the building It could not have been the bow of the plane. It had been destroyed on impact.
Debris, the landing gear, people traveling 590 mph. You don't do physics, not news after the airplanes are made of foil fail.

What is your point, are you saying the planes did not cause the damage due to KE?


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A glass pane vs a steel column.

You don't need much of kinetic energy to break a pane of glass. Just press your fist hard enough and it will crack. Ay more examples?
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Go ahead, hit this glass with your fist.
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing.
Why would this be? Have you heard the phase "mater can not be created or destroyed"? How about Sir Isaac Newton, ever hear of him? He was smart.
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
At what speed the plane was going when its bow hit the opposite wall. I know, it should have already been destroyed but what the heck, lets assume it survived the collision and fire.
NOSE.
The nose is made of fiberglass. The nose did not come through the building. The nose looking thing is debris at a moment looking like a nose, and fooled the 911 truth followers into claiming it was a nose, a delusional claim based on ignorance.

An engine and parts of the landing gear were ejected, from the collision with the WTC. The KE was equal to a 2000 pound bomb, and that is why the collision looks like an explosion.
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
Can you elaborate?
Are you implying the hole was cut by a kinetic wave of sorts?
How does it work on the table?
A kinetic wave? What on earth are you talking about? Why a table? The hole was made by a heavy object travelling at high speed. Where did you study physics?
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
We were already down that road. Kinetic energy could do the trick of crashing the wall on impact. Why not. It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing. So, what made the little hole on the other side of the building It could not have been the bow of the plane. It had been destroyed on impact.
Could you show us the maths behind that?
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Question for the physicists here. Is a kinetic wave anything like a permanent wave?
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
... Kinetic energy could do the trick of crashing the wall on impact. Why not. It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing. ...
Nothing? The mass is gone? lol

Physics free. What is your point?
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The Crash
At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.

World War II had caused many to shift to a six-day work week; thus there were many people at work in the Empire State Building that Saturday. The plane crashed into the offices of the War Relief Services of the National Catholic Welfare Conference. Catherine O'Connor described the crash: [blockquote shade="no"] The plane exploded within the building. There were five or six seconds - I was tottering on my feet trying to keep my balance - and three-quarters of the office was instantaneously consumed in this sheet of flame. One man was standing inside the flame. I could see him. It was a co-worker, Joe Fountain. His whole body was on fire. I kept calling to him, "Come on, Joe; come on, Joe." He walked out of it.2 Joe Fountain died several days later. Eleven of the office workers were burned to death, some still sitting at their desks, others while trying to run from the flames.

One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The other engine flew into an elevator shaft and landed on an elevator car. The car began to plummet, slowed somewhat by emergency safety devices. Miraculously, when help arrived at the remains of the elevator car in the basement, the two women inside the car were still alive.

Some debris from the crash fell to the streets below, sending pedestrians scurrying for cover, but most fell onto the buildings setbacks at the fifth floor. Still, a bulk of the wreckage remained stuck in the side of the building. After the flames were extinguished and the remains of the victims removed, the rest of the wreckage was removed through the building.

The plane crash killed 14 people (11 office workers and the three crewmen) plus injured 26 others. Though the integrity of the Empire State Building was not affected, the cost of the damage done by the crash was $1 million.

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That was a smaller plane, Mikeys. Or was that crash an inside job too, a rehearsal for 911?



See the big hole, Mikeys? Caused by kinetic energy and that bomber was much smaller and lighter that the planes which flew into the Twin Towers.

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We were already down that road. Kinetic energy could do the trick of crashing the wall on impact. Why not. It would also immediately turn the shell into nothing. So, what made the little hole on the other side of the building It could not have been the bow of the plane. It had been destroyed on impact.
By which proccess can matter be turned into nothing?
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Why would this be? Have you heard the phase "mater can not be created or destroyed"? How about Sir Isaac Newton, ever hear of him? He was smart.
Did the bow turn to dust on impact or did it not? How can a flimsy shell survive an impact like that. KE is one thing and the relative strength and mass of matter involved and how it will subsequently react to an event is another thing. Try to imagine the impact in slow motion. Plug the numbers and do the math. What happens to the aluminum alloy bow when the plane hits the wall with a velocity high enough to crash through steel.
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Did the bow turn to dust on impact or did it not? How can a flimsy shell survive an impact like that. KE is one thing and the relative strength and mass of matter involved and how it will subsequently react to an event is another thing. Try to imagine the impact in slow motion. Plug the numbers and do the math. What happens to the aluminum alloy bow when the plane hits the wall with a velocity high enough to crash through steel.
Why don't you do the maths for us?
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Debris, the landing gear, people traveling 590 mph. You don't do physics, not news after the airplanes are made of foil fail.

What is your point, are you saying the planes did not cause the damage due to KE?




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Go ahead, hit this glass with your fist.
Aaa you see, the steel in WTC was also high grade, FAIL
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What is your view of the Empire State Building bomber crash, Mikeys? Handwave?
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FAIL
Yes, you did.
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Question for the physicists here. Is a kinetic wave anything like a permanent wave?
No.
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Aaa you see, the steel in WTC was also high grade, FAIL
Oh? You said you could break glass, you did fail. You forgot to specify what kind of glass.

The WTC steel was strong, in fact, they used different grades for the exterior to increase the strength of the building so the shell would supply the lateral support. Without the shell, the core would collapse.

Flight 175 had 11 times the KE that the WTC was designed to resist if an aircraft impacted. Thus the aircraft not only entered the building but it destroyed 10 core columns. Flt 11 had 7 times the KE, and destroyed 6 core columns. You don't do physics.

When will you retract the lie Flight 175 was made of Aluminum foil?

Are you a no plane person?

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You keep proving you don't do physics. What is your claim on Flight 175?
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
Did the bow turn to dust on impact or did it not? How can a flimsy shell survive an impact like that. KE is one thing and the relative strength and mass of matter involved and how it will subsequently react to an event is another thing. Try to imagine the impact in slow motion. Plug the numbers and do the math. What happens to the aluminum alloy bow when the plane hits the wall with a velocity high enough to crash through steel.
What's a "bow". It doesn't mater. The formula stands. Too bad you skipped out on science class, people might actually have paid attention to you (although you have not said a single thing that would have drawn attention to yourself).

Have you noticed yet, most people nod their heads and walk away from you?
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Why don't you do the maths for us?
I can't I am just a pony. You claim in every other post you are scientists. If I were one I wouldn't be waiting and instead plugged the the numbers to save the bow. I can not wait to see this miracle.
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What's a "bow". It doesn't mater. The formula stands. Too bad you skipped out on science class, people might actually have paid attention to you (although you have not said a single thing that would have drawn attention to yourself).

Have you noticed yet, most people nod their heads and walk away from you?
What is his claim? Can't he express his conclusion?

What the heck is a bow? Does he know the nose is fiberglass, or plastic, or material that the weather RADAR can "see" through?

Does he know the nose of 175 never came out of the building, the nose looking object is random debris due to the KE impact blowing out the other side?

Does he know airplanes are not made of Al foil? lol
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I can't I am just a pony. You claim in every other post you are scientists. If I were one I wouldn't be waiting and instead plugged the the numbers to save the bow. I can not wait to see this miracle.
I am not a scientist, but I do have A level physics. If you post the equations I can follow them. I have not seen anyone claim that they are scientist, although some of them are qualified in various filelds. Convince me that you know what you are talking about by posting the maths or I will be forced to conclude that you are only parroting truther sites.
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Newton figured the physics out in, when was it, 1666 or so. Here is the TM, three and a half century later, proudly, stubbornly and steadfastly propelling mankind forward by pushing its counter-reality mantra's and off the top of the head opinions. Progress is wonderful.
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What is his claim? Can't he express his conclusion?

What the heck is a bow? Does he know the nose is fiberglass, or plastic, or material that the weather RADAR can "see" through?

Does he know the nose of 175 never came out of the building, the nose looking object is random debris due to the KE impact blowing out the other side?

Does he know airplanes are not made of Al foil? lol
Ships have bows, planes have noses. Where the idea came from that planes are made of aluminium foil is anybody's guess.
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Newton figured the physics out in, when was it, 1666 or so. Here is the TM, three and a half century later, proudly, stubbornly and steadfastly propelling mankind forward by pushing its counter-reality mantra's and off the top of the head opinions. Progress is wonderful.
Maybe they have him confused with Fig Newton.
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I doubt that a few equations will explain the actual event. A computer simulation may be able to do the job if it's accurate enough. (Not an Al Gore hockey stick global warming simulation, please! )
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
What is his claim? Can't he express his conclusion?

What the heck is a bow? Does he know the nose is fiberglass, or plastic, or material that the weather RADAR can "see" through?

Does he know the nose of 175 never came out of the building, the nose looking object is random debris due to the KE impact blowing out the other side?

Does he know airplanes are not made of Al foil? lol
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NOSE.
The nose is made of fiberglass. The nose did not come through the building. The nose looking thing is debris at a moment looking like a nose, and fooled the 911 truth followers into claiming it was a nose, a delusional claim based on ignorance.
whatever it was it was where the nose would have ended if it was not destroyed by impact. It may have been a leprechaun posing for the nose. The question is what he was doing there where nothing was expected.
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whatever it was it was where the nose would have ended if it was not destroyed by impact. It may have been a leprechaun posing for the nose. The question is what he was doing there where nothing was expected.
What? That makes no sense. What do you mean? Elucidate please, together with the maths.
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whatever it was it was where the nose would have ended if it was not destroyed by impact. It may have been a leprechaun posing for the nose. The question is what he was doing there where nothing was expected.
So, you got nothing? (why else would you post this jiberish)
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Ships have bows, planes have noses. Where the idea came from that planes are made of aluminium foil is anybody's guess.
Ok, replace foil with shell and bow with nose and focus on the actual miracle.
I have forgotten the physics I have never learned in school and can not plug the numbers without extensive research. However, if someone who constantly claim is above me in physics is welcome to do so. Otherwise I will take it as an empty claim.
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Ok, replace foil with shell and bow with nose and focus on the actual miracle.
I have forgotten the physics I have never learned in school and can not plug the numbers without extensive research. However, if someone who constantly claim is above me in physics is welcome to do so. Otherwise I will take it as an empty claim.
If you never learned physics then why you do feel qualified to make judgements about a plane crash? Equations have been posted here. If you never studied physics then how can you hope to understand them?

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Old 1st September 2012, 12:52 PM   #117
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
So, you got nothing? (why else would you post this jiberish)
so you finally are going to admit the front part of the plane was destroyed on impact or you need some more foreplay?
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Old 1st September 2012, 12:53 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
Personally I responding for giggles while my ribs do their thing in the smoker

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/...mwood/ribs.jpg

Did I say I also have beer at this party? Happy Labor day (to someone I know has labored)

You dirty dog.

Happy Labor Day, looks good.
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Old 1st September 2012, 12:57 PM   #119
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
so you finally are going to admit the front part of the plane was destroyed on impact or you need some more foreplay?
That has already been explained to you.
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Old 1st September 2012, 12:59 PM   #120
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Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post
so you finally are going to admit the front part of the plane was destroyed on impact or you need some more foreplay?
The entire plane was destroyed, but the mass continued and took other mass and accelerated it out the windows, all over the building, damaged 10 core columns, killed many people, and spread jet fuel all over, 66,000 gallons of jet fuel going 590 mph.

Which comes to the point? Why are you showing you don't do physics? What is your point? It does not matter if the entire plane crushes into a mass of parts and jet fuel, that mass is not stopping at the exterior of the WTC, it will pass through the exterior, damage the core and some parts with leave the building and land on the street, a block or two away.

What is your big picture besides destroying physics? Are you a no planer?

Did you find the Al bullets?
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